Re: Wyndie/was: Neutrophil plus users

[Guest guest]

Wyndie,

No, we didn't see the horrendous yeast die off we saw with Diflucan, but it

could happen. Inappropriate/uncontrollable laughing always meant yeast here and

the rashes could signify some viral/immune issues as this product can stimulate

the immune system to start fighting harder.

I'm not a fan of making them too much worse, but it sounds as if this is

working. You might try giving some charcoal to distinguish between the ability

to tolerate this product and die off. And keep us posted as to what happens.

[ ] Neutrophil plus users

Do you see yeast die-off when starting this? We have started slow and

low but I am seeing more yeast behavior - inappropriate laughter and

rashes. I'm not sure if this means they don't tolerate it or it means

it's working.

Thanks, Wyndie

[Guest guest]

, Thanks for your reply I've never done charcoal before,

but I do have some. Do I need to start slow and low like all meds,

or can I just give them a capsule (they swallow capsules)? I will

have to open a capsule for the baby, is there anything I need to

know about it?

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions, I'm woefully ignorant on

this one! LOL

Wyndie -

-- In , " Cochran "

<Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

> Wyndie,

>

> No, we didn't see the horrendous yeast die off we saw with

Diflucan, but it could happen. Inappropriate/uncontrollable laughing

always meant yeast here and the rashes could signify some

viral/immune issues as this product can stimulate the immune system

to start fighting harder.

>

> I'm not a fan of making them too much worse, but it sounds as if

this is working. You might try giving some charcoal to distinguish

between the ability to tolerate this product and die off. And keep

us posted as to what happens.

>

>

> [ ] Neutrophil plus users

>

>

> Do you see yeast die-off when starting this? We have started

slow and

> low but I am seeing more yeast behavior - inappropriate laughter

and

> rashes. I'm not sure if this means they don't tolerate it or it

means

> it's working.

> Thanks, Wyndie

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doesn't seem like a dumb question to me, Wyndie as I don't know the answer, we

never gave charcoal, but maybe some nice person will help you out here.

[ ] Neutrophil plus users

>

>

> Do you see yeast die-off when starting this? We have started

slow and

> low but I am seeing more yeast behavior - inappropriate laughter

and

> rashes. I'm not sure if this means they don't tolerate it or it

means

> it's working.

> Thanks, Wyndie

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have only used activated charcoal occasionally. I gave 1/2 cap

(adult dose of ours is 2 caps) and followed with lots of water. Make

sure it is significantly away from all supps/meds, as it will absorb

lots of stuff in its path. Hopefully someone else will chime in with

more information.

Anne

> >

> > Wyndie,

> >

> > No, we didn't see the horrendous yeast die off we saw with

> Diflucan, but it could happen. Inappropriate/uncontrollable

laughing

> always meant yeast here and the rashes could signify some

> viral/immune issues as this product can stimulate the immune

system

> to start fighting harder.

> >

> > I'm not a fan of making them too much worse, but it sounds as

if

> this is working. You might try giving some charcoal to

distinguish

> between the ability to tolerate this product and die off. And

keep

> us posted as to what happens.

> >

> >

> > [ ] Neutrophil plus users

> >

> >

> > Do you see yeast die-off when starting this? We have started

> slow and

> > low but I am seeing more yeast behavior - inappropriate

laughter

> and

> > rashes. I'm not sure if this means they don't tolerate it or it

> means

> > it's working.

> > Thanks, Wyndie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

<<You might try giving some charcoal to distinguish

between the ability to tolerate this product and die off. >>

Hi ,

We have started the Neutrop + and things have been far from calm here. But what

are the differences between yeast and intolerance of product and die off? This

is harder than learning a foreign language!!

Thanks,

millie

[Guest guest]

Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile. Not since

we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates itch -

always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is acting

sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and screaching/screaming at

random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL It's hard

to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly yeast going

on. I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring and

then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm off to

give them some charcoal.

Wyndie

>

> Wyndie,

>

> No, we didn't see the horrendous yeast die off we saw with

Diflucan, but it could happen. Inappropriate/uncontrollable laughing

always meant yeast here and the rashes could signify some

viral/immune issues as this product can stimulate the immune system

to start fighting harder.

>

> I'm not a fan of making them too much worse, but it sounds as if

this is working. You might try giving some charcoal to distinguish

between the ability to tolerate this product and die off. And keep

us posted as to what happens.

>

>

> [ ] Neutrophil plus users

>

>

> Do you see yeast die-off when starting this? We have started

slow and

> low but I am seeing more yeast behavior - inappropriate laughter

and

> rashes. I'm not sure if this means they don't tolerate it or it

means

> it's working.

> Thanks, Wyndie

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We are seeing the same sort of stuff here Wyndie. He is all over the

place, crazy stims he hasn't done in months. I'm wussing out, I

didn't give him another dose today. Pretty bad that I could only take

four days of this huh? Maybe I will try it again after the holidays.

>

> Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile. Not since

> we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates itch -

> always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is acting

> sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and screaching/screaming at

> random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL It's hard

> to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly yeast going

> on. I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring and

> then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm off to

> give them some charcoal.

> Wyndie

>

[Guest guest]

, I'm sorry to hear your having the same junk! I was asking my

husband tonight how much longer we should try this before we decide

it's a wash. Neither of us had a good answer haha I did give some

activated charcoal and it seemed to help my dd. My son on the other

hand, continued with the silliness but in spurts, not the continuous

goofiness. So maybe it worked for him but I need to give more next

time (I was afraid to give him another dose right before bedtime).

I'm not sure, but wanted to suggest when you start it back up, have

the charcoal ready. It did help dd, so that gives me hope that what

I'm seeing (and possibly you too) is die-off.

Wyndie

> >

> > Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile. Not

since

> > we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates itch -

> > always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is acting

> > sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and screaching/screaming

at

> > random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL It's

hard

> > to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly yeast

going

> > on. I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring

and

> > then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm off to

> > give them some charcoal.

> > Wyndie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile. Not since

> we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates itch -

> always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is acting

> sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and screaching/screaming at

> random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL It's hard

> to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly yeast going

> on.

I just noticed that NP has vitamin A palmitate, which my son reacts to

quite badly (or at least he used to). So you might be seeing a

combination of yeast and an intolerance to that.

I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring and

> then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm off to

> give them some charcoal.

I'd try charcoal. And if that doesn't work try some Alka Seltzer Gold

or Alka-Aid, which will help if the palmitate is causing trouble, but

not with yeast or die-off.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Wyndie, sure sounds like yeast. Confusing that it would control yeast for some

and cause it for others.

Re: [ ]Wyndie/was: Neutrophil plus users

>

> Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile. Not since

> we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates itch -

> always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is acting

> sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and screaching/screaming at

> random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL It's hard

> to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly yeast going

> on.

I just noticed that NP has vitamin A palmitate, which my son reacts to

quite badly (or at least he used to). So you might be seeing a

combination of yeast and an intolerance to that.

I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring and

> then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm off to

> give them some charcoal.

I'd try charcoal. And if that doesn't work try some Alka Seltzer Gold

or Alka-Aid, which will help if the palmitate is causing trouble, but

not with yeast or die-off.

Nell

[Guest guest]

, I am confused too. Which is a constant state of things

anymore hahahaha I have stopped it b/c I just can't bear to see

them getting worse.

You know I'm curious to know - those whom it worked for - what kind

of yeast/bacterial/fungi issues are involved. I mean, my kids OAT

all look EXACTLY the same. Their lab work looks almost exactly the

same (my dd#1 has extra issues, but looks the same in all

yeast/bacteria/fungi respects). So it makes sense that the type of

yeast/bacteria/fungi we have doesn't respond to this sort of

medicine, while the kind that your dgd has, does respond.

Now, what to do with an opened bottle of this stuff... Grrrr I hate

wasting money!!!

Thank you for your help during this. Without everyone's assistance,

I would be in a little white padded room right now

Wyndie

> >

> > Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile. Not

since

> > we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates

itch -

> > always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is acting

> > sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and screaching/screaming

at

> > random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL It's

hard

> > to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly yeast

going

> > on.

>

> I just noticed that NP has vitamin A palmitate, which my son

reacts to

> quite badly (or at least he used to). So you might be seeing a

> combination of yeast and an intolerance to that.

>

> I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring and

> > then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm off

to

> > give them some charcoal.

>

> I'd try charcoal. And if that doesn't work try some Alka Seltzer

Gold

> or Alka-Aid, which will help if the palmitate is causing

trouble, but

> not with yeast or die-off.

>

> Nell

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know, Wyndie, we never did an OAT, but the kind of yeast present might

yield some answers. Looks like it is not as straight forward as I had hoped--not

surprising. Maybe the others for whom the product did work will have done an OAT

and be able to respond.

I did wonder about the betacarotenes which are in the formula as a fair number

of kids have problems with betacarotenes.

Re: [ ]Wyndie/was: Neutrophil plus users

, I am confused too. Which is a constant state of things

anymore hahahaha I have stopped it b/c I just can't bear to see

them getting worse.

You know I'm curious to know - those whom it worked for - what kind

of yeast/bacterial/fungi issues are involved. I mean, my kids OAT

all look EXACTLY the same. Their lab work looks almost exactly the

same (my dd#1 has extra issues, but looks the same in all

yeast/bacteria/fungi respects). So it makes sense that the type of

yeast/bacteria/fungi we have doesn't respond to this sort of

medicine, while the kind that your dgd has, does respond.

Now, what to do with an opened bottle of this stuff... Grrrr I hate

wasting money!!!

Thank you for your help during this. Without everyone's assistance,

I would be in a little white padded room right now

Wyndie

> >

> > Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile. Not

since

> > we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates

itch -

> > always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is acting

> > sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and screaching/screaming

at

> > random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL It's

hard

> > to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly yeast

going

> > on.

>

> I just noticed that NP has vitamin A palmitate, which my son

reacts to

> quite badly (or at least he used to). So you might be seeing a

> combination of yeast and an intolerance to that.

>

> I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring and

> > then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm off

to

> > give them some charcoal.

>

> I'd try charcoal. And if that doesn't work try some Alka Seltzer

Gold

> or Alka-Aid, which will help if the palmitate is causing

trouble, but

> not with yeast or die-off.

>

> Nell

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems to me, at least for some kids, including one of mine, that

ANYTHING we give that boosts the immune system can potentially create

more yeast. Everything that I have used for this child to boost her

immune system including TF, Epicor, VS, OLE, Vitamin C, Colostrum,

etc has increased her level of yeast. That doesn't necessarily mean

that I should not use any of them but is an indication, or so it

would seem, of a high viral load.

However, for other kids whose immune system is in better shape, more

repaired, whatever, it will help with yeast since that is what the

immune system is supposed to do - rid the body of foreign material

that isn't supposed to be there, among other things.

Sheresa

> > >

> > > Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile. Not

> since

> > > we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates

> itch -

> > > always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is acting

> > > sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and

screaching/screaming

> at

> > > random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL It's

> hard

> > > to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly

yeast

> going

> > > on.

> >

> > I just noticed that NP has vitamin A palmitate, which my son

> reacts to

> > quite badly (or at least he used to). So you might be seeing a

> > combination of yeast and an intolerance to that.

> >

> > I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring and

> > > then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm off

> to

> > > give them some charcoal.

> >

> > I'd try charcoal. And if that doesn't work try some Alka

Seltzer

> Gold

> > or Alka-Aid, which will help if the palmitate is causing

> trouble, but

> > not with yeast or die-off.

> >

> > Nell

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> It seems to me, at least for some kids, including one of mine, that

> ANYTHING we give that boosts the immune system can potentially create

> more yeast. Everything that I have used for this child to boost her

> immune system including TF, Epicor, VS, OLE, Vitamin C, Colostrum,

> etc has increased her level of yeast. That doesn't necessarily mean

> that I should not use any of them but is an indication, or so it

> would seem, of a high viral load.

>

Yes, ITA, same thing here. With some things (VS, TF, and C) I've been

able to fight through the yeast and get to big improvements, but with

others the yeast has been uncontrollable (OLE, Lauricidin).

Nell

[Guest guest]

Well I had a lightbulb moment when reading this reply. I have been

suspicious of my kids being viral, but have willingly ignored it b/c

I don't want to deal with it. LOL Honestly, I don't know how to

juggle chelating, yeast flare-ups and virus' all at once. But I

guess I'm going to have to learn!

Thanks for your reply,

wyndie

> > > >

> > > > Oy. Now we are seeing stimming I haven't seen in awhile.

Not

> > since

> > > > we got yeast under control anyway. My dd says her privates

> > itch -

> > > > always yeast for her. Her tongue is coated. My son is

acting

> > > > sillier by the moment. Extremely loud and

> screaching/screaming

> > at

> > > > random. I don't know how much longer I can take it!! LOL

It's

> > hard

> > > > to know whether to continue or not when there is clearly

> yeast

> > going

> > > > on.

> > >

> > > I just noticed that NP has vitamin A palmitate, which my son

> > reacts to

> > > quite badly (or at least he used to). So you might be seeing

a

> > > combination of yeast and an intolerance to that.

> > >

> > > I wish I could tell is this is something that is flaring and

> > > > then we will see benefits or if I just need to quit. I'm

off

> > to

> > > > give them some charcoal.

> > >

> > > I'd try charcoal. And if that doesn't work try some Alka

> Seltzer

> > Gold

> > > or Alka-Aid, which will help if the palmitate is causing

> > trouble, but

> > > not with yeast or die-off.

> > >

> > > Nell

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Love those lightbulb moments! I completely understand not wanting to

venture into the viral realm. I felt the same way once I realized

it was going to be a WHOLE LOT more yeast and such trying to do viral

and chelation at the same time. However, when I try to remove the

viral components my little girl falls apart so I am stuck here in

this never ending yeast nightmare and just trying to push on. It's

tough working on both things at once, but some find it do-able. I

hope you get things sorted out soon, Wyndie.

Sheresa

>

> Well I had a lightbulb moment when reading this reply. I have been

> suspicious of my kids being viral, but have willingly ignored it

b/c

> I don't want to deal with it. LOL Honestly, I don't know how to

> juggle chelating, yeast flare-ups and virus' all at once. But I

> guess I'm going to have to learn!

> Thanks for your reply,

> wyndie

>

[Guest guest]

>

Honestly, I don't know how to

> juggle chelating, yeast flare-ups and virus' all at once. But I

> guess I'm going to have to learn!

Wyndie,

Let me know if you figure it out! I would love to know.... :-)

Anne

[Guest guest]

I want to start off by saying that we have not used Neutrophil Plus (although I

have thought about it). I am curious as to what dose you are using? Have you

tried decreasing the dose to see if it helps make the yeast managable?

Thanks,

Sofia

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[Guest guest]

Sofia,

I was taking a full cap myself, but I was giving the kids the

following:

7 year old 1/2 cap

5 year old 1/4 cap

1 year old 1/8ish cap

Going lower might have been easier on them, but I don't generally

have to go low on supplements; the kids handle regular doses

normally. I'm glad I didn't give them large doses! I shudder to

think what would have happened if I did. Although I wonder if maybe

I would have just seen yeast overgrowth faster.

I am FINALLY seeing die-off today, so I'm too gunshy to try it again

at smaller doses.

Thanks! Wyndie

>

> I want to start off by saying that we have not used Neutrophil

Plus (although I have thought about it). I am curious as to what

dose you are using? Have you tried decreasing the dose to see if it

helps make the yeast managable?

>

> Thanks,

> Sofia

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

That's awesome Wyndie! What did you use to get the die-off? GSE?

Looking at your doses I feel like a total idiot. I used 1/3 cap/day

on my 18 mth old. No wonder he's gone off the deep end. I guess that

was wayyyy too high of a starting dose. Oops :-(

>

> Sofia,

> I was taking a full cap myself, but I was giving the kids the

> following:

> 7 year old 1/2 cap

> 5 year old 1/4 cap

> 1 year old 1/8ish cap

>

> Going lower might have been easier on them, but I don't generally

> have to go low on supplements; the kids handle regular doses

> normally. I'm glad I didn't give them large doses! I shudder to

> think what would have happened if I did. Although I wonder if maybe

> I would have just seen yeast overgrowth faster.

>

> I am FINALLY seeing die-off today, so I'm too gunshy to try it again

> at smaller doses.

>

> Thanks! Wyndie

>

[Guest guest]

, I'm sorry you're still having problems from it! I use garlic

(3x a day), GSE (3 drops 2x day), diflucan (1x week), nystatin (3x

day), DC3 (3 drops 2x day) and today added Oil of oregano. As soon

as I added the OoO, I saw die off in my daughter. Yesterday I saw

die-off in the baby who does not receive the diflucan or OoO.

I sure hope you get it figured out quickly. I know how hard it is

to see old habits return that you had hoped to never see again!

HUGS, Wyndie

> >

> > Sofia,

> > I was taking a full cap myself, but I was giving the kids the

> > following:

> > 7 year old 1/2 cap

> > 5 year old 1/4 cap

> > 1 year old 1/8ish cap

> >

> > Going lower might have been easier on them, but I don't

generally

> > have to go low on supplements; the kids handle regular doses

> > normally. I'm glad I didn't give them large doses! I shudder

to

> > think what would have happened if I did. Although I wonder if

maybe

> > I would have just seen yeast overgrowth faster.

> >

> > I am FINALLY seeing die-off today, so I'm too gunshy to try it

again

> > at smaller doses.

> >

> > Thanks! Wyndie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wyndie,

I am glad to hear that things are getting better.

,

I hope things get better soon.

Regards,

Sofia

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