Re: Any opinions/experiences with Zeolite?

[Guest guest]

Hi Meg,

I used one set of NCD, but have decided to spend the money elsewhere

for now.

You mightlike to read the following site too. This site was posted to

another chelating site.

na

www.cqs.com/zeolite.htm

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> Hi All,

>

> We are considering allowing our twin sons (almost 8 yrs old) to take

> part in the NCD Zeolite Study on Autism. I am however, looking for

> opinions about this product before we dive in to something like like

> this. I have already been in contact w/ the director, and it sounds

> like our boys would be good candidates. Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Meg

> Jenkintown, PA

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Meg, I am moderator of chelatingkidsaustralia

and have had my son on NCD since may 1st, we have had some bad

regressions for about 2 to 3 weeks but the gains are worth it. If

you can get it in a trial for free i would be going for it. You will

keep using it after, I'm starting to think its good despite the

posts against it and lets face it there always are people trying to

stop things because they affect thier buisness directly. Go with

your heart , Madeleine, moderator aust chelation group, mother of

5 recovering asd.

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > We are considering allowing our twin sons (almost 8 yrs old) to

take

> > part in the NCD Zeolite Study on Autism. I am however, looking

for

> > opinions about this product before we dive in to something like

like

> > this. I have already been in contact w/ the director, and it

sounds

> > like our boys would be good candidates. Any thoughts?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Meg

> > Jenkintown, PA

> >

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 28/09/2006 21:45:17 GMT Daylight Time,

meganrallen@... writes:

We are considering allowing our twin sons (almost 8 yrs old) to take

part in the NCD Zeolite Study on Autism. I am however, looking for

opinions about this product before we dive in to something like like

this. I have already been in contact w/ the director, and it sounds

like our boys would be good candidates. Any thoughts?

>>>I think its wonderful stuff but the doses proposed for the study would

have bern too high for my son

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 29/09/2006 19:33:40 GMT Daylight Time,

paxlforme@... writes:

You may wish to search www.onibasu.You may wish to search www.oni

for NCD and what others have thought of it. I do know that this

product is not a metal chelator.

>>You might try Autism NCD for positive and negative reports -

most folks don't tend to post them here........................

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

You may wish to search www.onibasu.com under mercury autism archives

for NCD and what others have thought of it. I do know that this

product is not a metal chelator.

I have heard it helps some children and others it does not. We have

not used it and chose to go with something that had scientific proof

behind it to remove metals from our kids. But using NCD might depend

on what you have already tried and why you want to try it.

>

>

> In a message dated 28/09/2006 21:45:17 GMT Daylight Time,

> meganrallen@... writes:

>

> We are considering allowing our twin sons (almost 8 yrs old) to

take

> part in the NCD Zeolite Study on Autism. I am however, looking

for

> opinions about this product before we dive in to something like

like

> this. I have already been in contact w/ the director, and it

sounds

> like our boys would be good candidates. Any thoughts?

>

>

>

> >>>I think its wonderful stuff but the doses proposed for the

study would

> have bern too high for my son

>

> Mandi in UK

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/29/2006 4:14:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Mum231ASD@... writes:

I do know that this

product is not a metal chelator.

That is not true, it is exactly a metal chelator! Many have done tests in

relation to pulling metals such as mercury, lead, arsenic, just to name a few.

If you check out the sites on it, you can read up on what it actually does.

_Waiora's liquid cellular zeolite product Natural Cellular Defense: Resource

si_ (http://readthepate.web125.discountasp.net/waiora.html)

_NCD Zeolite Study on Autism - Mercury on the Mind_

(http://www.zeoliteautismstudy.com/home/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & i\

d=26 & Itemid=30)

[Guest guest]

I agree with Mandi

Good stuff! Go for it ..they need to complete the study and get more kids on it.

, NJ

www.mywaiora.com/877961

http://home.earthlink.net/~aprokofiew/

We live in a world in which we need to share responsibility.

It's easy to say " It's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my

problem. "

Then there are those who see the need and respond.

I consider those people my heroes. -- Fred " Mr. " , Children's TV Show

Star

[Guest guest]

Meg, In my opinion you can disregard that site.

I have corresponded with many including Boyd Haley that has said the liquid

zeolite NCD is safe.

FYI

Waiora Scientific Advisory Board

November 9, 2004

Dear Waiora Distributors,

I have just read 's website where he makes unfounded and

malicious attacks on the use of natural zeolite as a dietary supplement. I

would like to address his points and assure everyone that the Natural Cellular

Defense is in fact a completely safe and non-toxic product that is based on a

granted U.S. Patent and supported by dozens of clinical and epidemiological

studies that have been published in the peer-reviewed medical literature.

As background, it's important to understand that there are more than 100

different zeolites. As an example, asbestos is a zeolite and causes cancer when

inhaled as a fine powder. The zeolite used in the Natural Cellular Defense is

naturally-occurring non-fibrous clinoptilolite and is considered to be

extremely safe and entirely non-toxic (even when inhaled). A study published in

1993 concluded that " clinoptilolite type zeolite had no carcinogenic activity. "

(Tatrai E, Ungvary G. Study on carcinogenicity of clinoptilolite type zeolite

in Wistar rats. Pol J Occup Med Environ Health. 1993;6(1):27-34.)

Additionally, Mr. suggests that there are no long-term animal or human

toxicity studies. This is also incorrect. The zeolite in the Natural Cellular

Defense has been used in water filtration, air purification, plant fertilizers

and animal feed for more than thirty years in the United States. There are

hundreds of published studies and articles that outline the uses and benefits

of our form of zeolite in humans and animals. Not to mention that there is over

800 years of traditional use throughout India, China and Russia. It is quite

obvious that Mr. could not even be bothered to do a Medline search

prior to regurgitating his inaccuracies on the website. Had he done so, he

would have found no fewer than 140 articles on such topics as: removing heavy

metals, improving the health of animals, treating viral disorders, removing

fungal toxins, remediation soil and treating cancer. This search can be

accessed at the National Institutes of Health National Center for Biotechnology

Information at the following link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez (search for " clinoptilolite " )

Mr. also cites a paper on carcinogenicity which incorrectly lists

clinoptilolite as a fibrous zeolite similar to erionite. In a paper on the

clinoptilolite's effects on animal tumors, the researchers found that:

" Electron microscopy showed the absence of fibers, and most particles were round

with very rough surface. The absence of fibrous, positively charged particles

was encouraging since such particles are present in asbestos and erionite

zeolites, which are highly carcinogenic and mutagenic. In addition, activated

zeolite particles did not catalyze the production of hydroxyl radicals, unlike

asbestos or erionite. It seems that absence of fibrous particles capable of

producing hydroxyl radicals makes this zeolite sample nontoxic and

noncarcinogenic, at least when applied orally. " (Pavelic K, et al Natural

zeolite clinoptilolite: new adjuvant in anticancer therapy. J Mol Med.

2001;78(12):708-20.)

Mr. also states that there is no evidence of excretion. This too is

incorrect and can be easily researched in the literature. In three separate

studies specifically analyzing the ability of clinoptilolite to aid on the

excretion of radioactive cesium particles, the zeolite was found to accelerate

the excretion of Cs-137 from sheep's bodies. The whole effect resulted in 15 to

50 times lowering of the equilibrium concentration of the radiocaesium (Jandl

J, Novosad J. [in vivo reduction of radiocesium with modified clinoptilolite in

sheep] Vet Med (Praha). 1995 Aug;40(8):237-41.)

Waiora Scientific Advisory Board

Additionally, we are currently evaluating the Natural Cellular Defense in its

ability to aid in the urinary excretion of heavy metals. This research is being

conducted by Eno Research & Development (ERDI) in North Carolina in cooperation

with Duke University staff. The study aims to quantify the type and amount of

heavy metals that are excreted from patients using the product. We have already

seen some promising results and expect the study to be completed in the first

quarter of 2006 and we will seek publication of the data.

Mr. 's next point is that he claims the clinoptilolite zeolite to be

indiscriminate in what it adsorbs. This too is incorrect. There are dozens of

published studies that outline the reactivity series of the zeolite, showing

preference for the heavier metals and larger compounds that carry a positive

charge. Many smaller compounds will move into the zeolite, but will not be

trapped. These undergo simple buffering and are released back into the body.

The ability of the zeolite to undergo cationic exchange has shown that there is

a reproducible, quantifiable reactivity series. Additionally, several animal

studies have shown that adding clinoptilolite to animal feed actually increases

overall nutritional health of the animal. One study found that " clinoptilolite

supplementation of the diets had no significant effect on vitamins' and

minerals' uptake and their distribution in the body, since there was no

alteration in their blood serum and liver/kidney concentrations. " (Papaioannou

DS, et al. Effect of in-feed inclusion of a natural zeolite (clinoptilolite) on

certain vitamin, macro and trace element concentrations in the blood, liver and

kidney tissues of sows. Res Vet Sci. 2002 Feb;72(1):61-8.)

I would also like to point out that the patent on the Natural Cellular Defense

and all of the related research was conducted by biotechnology and

pharmaceutical companies. This had nothing to do with zeolite mining companies

as Mr. suggests.

Lastly, you should always ask why someone would take the time to write a

diatribe like the one seen on Mr. 's website. He answers this question

himself by supplying a link to his own answer to natural cancer therapy. If you

follow this link, it will lead to his offer to sell you his books, products and

services. He actually charges $60 for your initial order of supplements and $20

per month thereafter just for his consulting services. He clearly states that,

" Note that this charge is for the ordering service only, and does not include

the cost of the supplements, which range in price between $100 and $300 per

month, depending on the illness. "

Always question the source of inflammatory material. Do your due diligence and

review published literature from uninterested, unbiased third parties.

I hope that this information is helpful.

Sincerely,

Rik J. Deitsch

President, Wellness Industries

Chairman, Waiora Scientific Advisory Board

_______________________________________________________

This search can be accessed at the National Institutes of Health National

Center for Biotechnology Information at the following link:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez (search for " clinoptilolite " )

Eight pages clinoptilolite information here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search & DB=pubmed

[Guest guest]

> That is not true, it is exactly a metal chelator! Many have done

tests in

> relation to pulling metals such as mercury, lead, arsenic, just to

name a few.

** I am expressing no opinion about NCD with this message **

I know one child who was givin IVIG, which is for the immune system

and is not a chelator. He is recovered now, primarily because of the

IVIG.

In correspondence with that child's mother [who I know personally, not

just on message boards], I asked her if her child had been chelated.

She said no, that after the IVIG, the child's test results indicated

his body was eliminating metals. According to her doctor, once his

immune system was healed by the IVIG, his body became able to clear

the metals on its own.

So, just because test results reveal metals being cleared, does not

mean the intervention is a chelator. Definitely a good thing to clear

metals! But not always a chelator is required. Depends on the child.

Dana

[Guest guest]

So, just because test results reveal metals being cleared, does not

mean the intervention is a chelator. Definitely a good thing to clear

metals! But not always a chelator is required. Depends on the child.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Absolutely,

Dana you have a great site full of all the aspects and info.

I believe Stan from the B12 Valtrex list treated his son for virals while his

son tested metal toxic.

The son recovered from the treatment and was no longer metal toxic.

Stan has a great site too www.recoveryvideos.com

I know a few others similar to this. some children need one intervention, while

some others sadly need more.

Get the garbage out and the body has a wonderous way of restoring itself to a

natural state of health.

It is said that the zeolites work 60% in the body and 40% in the gut along with

balancing the PH

www.zeolitesinfo.com

, going to put my foot patches on and head to bed lol

www.mywaiora.com/877961

[Guest guest]

Dana, what is IVIG?

Many thank.

danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

> That is not true, it is exactly a metal chelator! Many have done

tests in

> relation to pulling metals such as mercury, lead, arsenic, just to

name a few.

** I am expressing no opinion about NCD with this message **

I know one child who was givin IVIG, which is for the immune system

and is not a chelator. He is recovered now, primarily because of the

IVIG.

In correspondence with that child's mother [who I know personally, not

just on message boards], I asked her if her child had been chelated.

She said no, that after the IVIG, the child's test results indicated

his body was eliminating metals. According to her doctor, once his

immune system was healed by the IVIG, his body became able to clear

the metals on its own.

So, just because test results reveal metals being cleared, does not

mean the intervention is a chelator. Definitely a good thing to clear

metals! But not always a chelator is required. Depends on the child.

Dana

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[Guest guest]

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> Dana, what is IVIG?

Here is that family's recovery story

http://www.tacanow.com/pdf/autism2.pdf

Dana