Re: Supplements to avoid...that raise immune system..autoimmune disease

[Guest guest]

I ran into some info on this while researching my posted question on

copper and thyroid.

In any event, I found some autoimmune references related to hashimotos

and Graves and what not to take. You have to read down a bit, but it

gibes some information. This site is excellent if you are dealing with

a thyroid issue. If not, it does have very good information on metals,

minerals and what they do to the body.

Hope it helps some...

http://www.ithyroid.com/copper.htm

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> Does anyone know a list of supplements, vitamin, minerals, herbs,

etc.

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> That are to be avoided with autoimmune disease? I already know

> echinachea, but would like a more complete list. This would I guess

> be anything that would boost the immune system? or am I mistaken?

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> The theory is that if the immune system is attacking itself, to

boost

> the immune system is not a good idea.

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[Guest guest]

Whoa...I am supplementing her with zinc right now...

this is fascinating and confusing. Her older brother has both an

autoimmune disease, multiple chemical sensitivity and aspergers. We

have chelated him all of this year and he takes a pfeiffer protocol

amount of zinc per day...which is a lot. It has helped him so much

that zinc was one of the first things I bought for our daughter after

she was diagnosed.

So, is autism a slow sluggish immune system, and autoimmune disease a

fast one? If that is the case...how confusing that one of my children

has both syndromes.

I would have never thought of supplementing copper...zinc's

antagonist. I have purposely avoided supplements with copper in the

past, so this is a revelation.

[Guest guest]

-In our experience (and I stress it is only the way my son reacted)

the Low Dose Naltrexone increased his allergies and eczema rather

than the other way round.It hyped his immune system up in my

opinion. I have heard from others saying the same thing. My son is

better off LDN and they all say it is so safe, but all meds can have

a side effect. I would dvise caution with any script meds.

Sue

-- In , " bestbirths2006 "

<badaboom@...> wrote:

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> Whoa...I am supplementing her with zinc right now...

>

> this is fascinating and confusing. Her older brother has both an

> autoimmune disease, multiple chemical sensitivity and aspergers.

We

> have chelated him all of this year and he takes a pfeiffer

protocol

> amount of zinc per day...which is a lot. It has helped him so

much

> that zinc was one of the first things I bought for our daughter

after

> she was diagnosed.

>

> So, is autism a slow sluggish immune system, and autoimmune

disease a

> fast one? If that is the case...how confusing that one of my

children

> has both syndromes.

>

> I would have never thought of supplementing copper...zinc's

> antagonist. I have purposely avoided supplements with copper in

the

> past, so this is a revelation.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Does anyone know a list of supplements, vitamin, minerals, herbs, etc.

> That are to be avoided with autoimmune disease? I already know

> echinachea, but would like a more complete list. This would I guess

> be anything that would boost the immune system? or am I mistaken?

Here is a page on lupus info

http://www.kroger.com/hn/Concern/Lupus.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

I agree. I found it interesting as well. I also avoided copper.

As that is what I was told. And for some, they need to avoid it

because they are already too high in it. The site explains that we

should not over supplement with one mineral. That we need to give

minerals with their counter minerals to obtain a balance in the

body, otherwise we create another deficiency which results in some

other disorder.

The way the doc on this site sees autoimmune diseases is that under

immune and over immune are both the same disorder, just manifested

in different ways. That the cause is generally the same. He beleives

that deficiencies in certain things are part of autoimmune

disorders.

The fact that you suggest MCS, and Aspie, and Auto...this is metals

probably. But his idea would be that those metals have cause the

imbalance in minerals which result in autoimmunity.

Autism is a damage immune system. It may not be necessarily slow, it

just isn't working right. That could be said for most of the

population. So Autism has many more elements to it. But in essence

many think that the exposure to toxic metals and viruses causes

damage to the immune system. This leads to what is seen in Autism.

However, metals and viral exposures also causes autoimmunity.

So likely we are looking at the same causes for two forms of immune

dysfunction.

I would still provide my child with zinc, just at a resonable level.

And make sure he is ok to have copper before giving any.

You can naturally provide amounts of copper through foods like nuts

and such too. Rather than actually giving a supplement. As the site

explains there are ratios for it. And keep in mind that this site is

based upon treating autoimmune problems in adults such as

hypothyroid and hyperthyroid. The belief being that these disease

are caused by deficiencies that resulted from exposure to chemicals,

and heavy metals.

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> Whoa...I am supplementing her with zinc right now...

>

> this is fascinating and confusing. Her older brother has both an

> autoimmune disease, multiple chemical sensitivity and aspergers.

We

> have chelated him all of this year and he takes a pfeiffer

protocol

> amount of zinc per day...which is a lot. It has helped him so

much

> that zinc was one of the first things I bought for our daughter

after

> she was diagnosed.

>

> So, is autism a slow sluggish immune system, and autoimmune

disease a

> fast one? If that is the case...how confusing that one of my

children

> has both syndromes.

>

> I would have never thought of supplementing copper...zinc's

> antagonist. I have purposely avoided supplements with copper in

the

> past, so this is a revelation.

>

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