Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 The practitioner who follows Andy's protocol just told me that my son simply can't handle DMSA or DMPS, and I am inclined to agree. We kept making the rounds shorter with longer intervals; but with DMPS, he would still get mouth sores. When we switched to DMSA, his white blood cell count dropped and we had to stop for awhile to get it back up and then recently it went down too low again. This was from doing 20 mg DMSA/ALA every 3 hours for 2 days with 5 days off. We have only used the DMSA/ALA for approx. 4 rounds total. She is suggesting I just use ALA alone. I am worried that because my son is 12 and is older, the ALA won't get us where we want to go. Has anyone else had good results using ALA without DMSA or DMPS? (We also tried the TD-DMPS and still got the mouth sores. Regards, Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Yes, I think that is one theory. Another is if they are recently exposed to mercury you don't want to start of with a ALA. You want to get rid of the circulating mercury first with the DMSA then move on to ALA . It also depends on what protocol you are wanting to use. The Children with Starving Brains book I have does not recommended ALA alone but it was written in 2003. Andy and others say you can chelate solely with ALA. Flip a mercury-free coin. > > > > I am worried that because my <BR> > > son is 12 and is older, the ALA won't get us where we want to > go.<BR> > > <BR> > > Has anyone else had good results using ALA without DMSA or DMPS? > (We <BR> > > also tried the TD-DMPS and still got the mouth sores.<BR> > > <BR> > > Regards,<BR> > > <BR> > > Beth<BR> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 For us, ALA alone turned my kiddo into a complete and utter space cadet. We now use a 2:1 ratio, ALA to DMSA. It seems to help balance out the spacey side effects. I hope to be able to use ALA alone after we have more rounds under our belt. Anne > > > > > > I am worried that because my <BR> > > > son is 12 and is older, the ALA won't get us where we want to > > go.<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Has anyone else had good results using ALA without DMSA or > DMPS? > > (We <BR> > > > also tried the TD-DMPS and still got the mouth sores.<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Regards,<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Beth<BR> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > > > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Would you mind sharing the protocol you used? Were any of your kids about 12 or 13 (or around 80-90 pounds)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 In a message dated 26/05/2006 13:10:10 GMT Daylight Time, mark.connolly.cgb5@... writes: One of the Andy's articles that I read was a typical chelation cycle for kids is 2.6 days for school ages kids. You start on Friday when they get home from school and the last does is Monday morning before they head back off to school. Is this incorrect? >>>Thats what we do 4.00pm Firday to 8.00 Monday Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Per Amalgam Illness (noamalgam.com), you want to reduce the blood mercury levels first before adding ALA, so if you're doing ALA alone then you want to make sure the blood/urine mercury level is fairly low. When you have more mercury in the blood than in the brain, ALA will redistribute mercury into your brain. DMSA also lessens ALA's side effects, so you might want to consider that option. You can do DMSA for the first few months to lessen the blood mercury level too. The starting dose is 1/8 mg per pound of body weight. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:29 PM, michelleboyle3 <michelleboyle3@...>wrote: > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? It seems like this is > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. How much ALA for a > 30lb child every three hours? Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Where can I get ALA and how many days in each round and how long between rounds. > From: michelleboyle3 <michelleboyle3@...> > Subject: [ ] ALA Alone > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? It seems like this is > > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the > > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. How much ALA for a > > 30lb child every three hours? Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 , You wrote : " Per Amalgam Illness (noamalgam.com), you want to reduce the blood mercury levels first before adding ALA, so if you're doing ALA alone then you want to make sure the blood/urine mercury level is fairly low. When you have more mercury in the blood than in the brain, ALA will redistribute mercury into your brain. " How much is fairly low? Can that level be determined from hair test alone? thank Priscilla On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, McCartney <katie.mccartney@...>wrote: > Per Amalgam Illness (noamalgam.com), you want to reduce the blood > mercury > levels first before adding ALA, so if you're doing ALA alone then you want > to make sure the blood/urine mercury level is fairly low. When you have > more > mercury in the blood than in the brain, ALA will redistribute mercury into > your brain. > > DMSA also lessens ALA's side effects, so you might want to consider that > option. You can do DMSA for the first few months to lessen the blood > mercury > level too. > > The starting dose is 1/8 mg per pound of body weight. > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 2:29 PM, michelleboyle3 <michelleboyle3@...<michelleboyle3%40> > >wrote: > > > > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? It seems like this is > > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the > > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. How much ALA for a > > 30lb child every three hours? Thank you. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hello, We order ours from Kirkman's but I'm pretty sure you can find it locally at a health food store. When I do that, I just print out the content label from Kirkman's website and take it to the store with me so I can get a " match " with products. We dose every 3 hours and try to get as close to 72 hours as we can (my daughter is in school). So we start at 2 pm in the afternoon on Friday and go to 5am on Monday. Some parents dose every 4 hours during the night but I do 3. From reading prior posts, I believe either is fine. Make sure you have a good yeast tool to use; when I first started at 12.5mg, my daughter gave me the blues. I stopped for a long while but when I started back at the beginning of the year, I was a little more knowledgeable about keeping the yeast under control and it is working. Good Luck, S. From: amymar65 <amymar65@...> Subject: [ ] Re: ALA Alone Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 7:15 PM Where can I get ALA and how many days in each round and how long between rounds. > From: michelleboyle3 <michelleboyle3@ ...> > Subject: [ ] ALA Alone > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? It seems like this is > > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the > > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. How much ALA for a > > 30lb child every three hours? Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 What do you use for yeast control, and how many rounds of ala have you done and the obvious question what improvements are you seeing? Regards On 30/1/09 12:27 AM, " Strozier " <imyconsulting@...> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > We order ours from Kirkman's but I'm pretty sure you can find it locally at a > health food store. When I do that, I just print out the content label from > Kirkman's website and take it to the store with me so I can get a " match " with > products. > > We dose every 3 hours and try to get as close to 72 hours as we can (my > daughter is in school). So we start at 2 pm in the afternoon on Friday and go > to 5am on Monday. Some parents dose every 4 hours during the night but I do > 3. From reading prior posts, I believe either is fine. > > Make sure you have a good yeast tool to use; when I first started at 12.5mg, > my daughter gave me the blues. I stopped for a long while but when I started > back at the beginning of the year, I was a little more knowledgeable about > keeping the yeast under control and it is working. > > Good Luck, > S. > > > > From: amymar65 <amymar65@... <mailto:amymar65%40> > > Subject: [ ] Re: ALA Alone > <mailto: %40> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 7:15 PM > > Where can I get ALA and how many days in each round and how long > between rounds. > > >> > From: michelleboyle3 <michelleboyle3@ ...> >> > Subject: [ ] ALA Alone >> > >> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 2:29 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? It seems > like this is >> > >> > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the >> > >> > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. How much ALA for a >> > >> > 30lb child every three hours? Thank you. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 - You can get it at vitacost.com .I use Twinlab brand for almost two years now on my kids. We do 3.5 days on, 3.5 days off every 3 hours even at night too. At this time the dose is 1/2 mg per lb. It works great! Natasha -- In , " amymar65 " <amymar65@...> wrote: > > Where can I get ALA and how many days in each round and how long > between rounds. > > > > > From: michelleboyle3 <michelleboyle3@> > > Subject: [ ] ALA Alone > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? It seems > like this is > > > > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the > > > > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. How much ALA for a > > > > 30lb child every three hours? Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Priscilla, Urine or blood test will accurately measure amount of Hg. The paragraph that explains how much is kind of long. Google books omits where it starts on P. 202, but I can type that out for you, and you can read the rest of the paragraph in the link below. " Since lipoic acid allows mercury to move through nerve cell membranes, using it when there is a high blood level of mercury, such as while amalgams are in or shortly after amalgam removal can lead to the... " (continued in the link) http://books.google.com/books?id=ZG9glNfif5YC & printsec=frontcover & dq=amalgam+ill\ ness#PPA203,M1 And also read p.204 - it tells you how to measure whether blood/urine levels are low. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Priscilla Tan <priscillasohsh@...>wrote: > , > > You wrote : " Per Amalgam Illness (noamalgam.com), you want to reduce the > blood mercury > levels first before adding ALA, so if you're doing ALA alone then you want > to make sure the blood/urine mercury level is fairly low. When you have > more > mercury in the blood than in the brain, ALA will redistribute mercury into > your brain. " > > How much is fairly low? Can that level be determined from hair test alone? > > thank > > Priscilla > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, McCartney > <katie.mccartney@...>wrote: > > > Per Amalgam Illness (noamalgam.com), you want to reduce the blood > > mercury > > levels first before adding ALA, so if you're doing ALA alone then you > want > > to make sure the blood/urine mercury level is fairly low. When you have > > more > > mercury in the blood than in the brain, ALA will redistribute mercury > into > > your brain. > > > > DMSA also lessens ALA's side effects, so you might want to consider that > > option. You can do DMSA for the first few months to lessen the blood > > mercury > > level too. > > > > The starting dose is 1/8 mg per pound of body weight. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 > > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? I chelated myself and all four of my kids with ALA. I never used DMSA. >> It seems like this is > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. Based on my research, in my opinion DMSA is more dangerous. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 > > Where can I get ALA and how many days in each round and how long > between rounds. I bought mine from my local health food store, and from Kirkman. I usually did 3/4 rounds. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hi , I have used several things for yeast control but what seems to be working for us right now is Oil of Oregano. I have used GSE, biotin, candex and candidase; all of which is still in my cabinet. As long as the OoO is working, I'll stick with it but if I need something else, I know I have backup in my kitchen cabinet!! (smile) After you decide on which product you are going to use, make sure post a question about how you should increase the dosage. I didn't know to ask and didn't realize there was a step process with the yeast protocol (I was using Candex). I believe in that year of using Candex that maybe it lost its effectiveness, I'm not sure. I know that if I see that my daughter is really hyper throughout the day and I give her 3 drops of OoO in the evening close to bedtime, the next day is great. I especially pay attention to yeast now that we are doing chelation and give the OoO 3x a day while On. (It's hard to do while off because my daughter is in school.) We did chelation in the first quarter of 2008 and it was really hard. This time it is sooooo much better that I'm like sitting on pins and needles waiting for something to happen!!! (smile) We are only in our 5th round (this weekend) of chelation. We started the first week in January and Iman did so well that I pulled out all of my supplements to see if maybe I had given her an extra dose of something. You know, record the supplement for later as a keeper!! But after searching, I found that I hadn't added any other supplement. So, we go to the 2nd and 3rd week and I realize that my daughter is giving me attention at my first request. During lessons there is no going a couple of days of trying to get her to successfully attempt a word; if I ask her to say a word, no matter if it is pronounced wrong or right, she will say it. When she takes her clothes off, she takes them in the laundry room and puts them in the hamper (this has been a battle for us!! (smile)). Also, she is more open to extend her sentences. Yippee!!! At the end of the 3rd week, beginning of the 4th week, I added Vitamin A per Andy's suggestions; I didn't do an initial load, I just do 1000iu per pound once in the AM. We do CLO also (as apart of our supplement routine) but I changed to GreenPastures Fermented CLO and started it this past Saturday. (This stuff is miracle juice!) When I ask her questions, she answers them appropriately. I don't have to show her that she meant yes or meant no. My daughter engages me in play inside and outside (it's been hard for me to get her attention outside) and she is getting more in tune with her emotions. It's so many little things that are adding up to big things. We are getting ready to start our 5th round tomorrow and (fingers crossed) we are doing well going into it. Sorry about the long post, S. > > From: amymar65 <amymar65 (DOT) com <mailto:amymar65% 40> > > Subject: [ ] Re: ALA Alone > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 7:15 PM > > Where can I get ALA and how many days in each round and how long > between rounds. > > >> > From: michelleboyle3 <michelleboyle3@ ...> >> > Subject: [ ] ALA Alone >> > >> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 2:29 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? It seems > like this is >> > >> > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the >> > >> > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. How much ALA for a >> > >> > 30lb child every three hours? Thank you. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I forgot one more thing... make sure you read Andy's information in Onibasu about supplementing while on chelation. S. > > From: amymar65 <amymar65 (DOT) com <mailto:amymar65% 40> > > Subject: [ ] Re: ALA Alone > <mailto:Autism- Mercury%40g roups.com> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 7:15 PM > > Where can I get ALA and how many days in each round and how long > between rounds. > > >> > From: michelleboyle3 <michelleboyle3@ ...> >> > Subject: [ ] ALA Alone >> > >> > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 2:29 PM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Are there people who only give their kids ALA? It seems > like this is >> > >> > the most important chelator that gets the mercury out of the >> > >> > brain...and also the potentially most dangerous. How much ALA for a >> > >> > 30lb child every three hours? Thank you. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 > > >Based on my research, in my opinion DMSA is more dangerous. > Dana, could you elaborate more on this? From what I've read DMSA is more dangerous only if they are dosed high and are administered infrequently. Cutler's protocol is the safest out of any out there. DMSA also doesn't cross the BBB but ALA does, and it's a 2-way street. So I would think ALA is even more dangerous if administered incorrectly. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Yes , You are correct, the main danger of chelators is when they are used incorrectly. McCartney wrote: > > > > > >Based on my research, in my opinion DMSA is more dangerous. > > > > Dana, could you elaborate more on this? From what I've read DMSA is more > dangerous only if they are dosed high and are administered infrequently. > Cutler's protocol is the safest out of any out there. DMSA also doesn't > cross the BBB but ALA does, and it's a 2-way street. So I would think > ALA is > even more dangerous if administered incorrectly. > > Thanks, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Thanks , very helpful. Priscilla On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:14 PM, McCartney <katie.mccartney@... > wrote: > Priscilla, > > Urine or blood test will accurately measure amount of Hg. > > The paragraph that explains how much is kind of long. Google books omits > where it starts on P. 202, but I can type that out for you, and you can > read > the rest of the paragraph in the link below. > > " Since lipoic acid allows mercury to move through nerve cell membranes, > using it when there is a high blood level of mercury, such as while > amalgams > are in or shortly after amalgam removal can lead to the... " (continued in > the link) > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=ZG9glNfif5YC & printsec=frontcover & dq=amalgam+ill\ ness#PPA203,M1 > > And also read p.204 - it tells you how to measure whether blood/urine > levels > are low. > > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Priscilla Tan <priscillasohsh@...<priscillasohsh%40gmail.com> > >wrote: > > > > , > > > > You wrote : " Per Amalgam Illness (noamalgam.com), you want to reduce the > > blood mercury > > levels first before adding ALA, so if you're doing ALA alone then you > want > > to make sure the blood/urine mercury level is fairly low. When you have > > more > > mercury in the blood than in the brain, ALA will redistribute mercury > into > > your brain. " > > > > How much is fairly low? Can that level be determined from hair test > alone? > > > > thank > > > > Priscilla > > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:03 AM, McCartney > > <katie.mccartney@... <katie.mccartney%40gmail.com>>wrote: > > > > > Per Amalgam Illness (noamalgam.com), you want to reduce the blood > > > mercury > > > levels first before adding ALA, so if you're doing ALA alone then you > > want > > > to make sure the blood/urine mercury level is fairly low. When you have > > > more > > > mercury in the blood than in the brain, ALA will redistribute mercury > > into > > > your brain. > > > > > > DMSA also lessens ALA's side effects, so you might want to consider > that > > > option. You can do DMSA for the first few months to lessen the blood > > > mercury > > > level too. > > > > > > The starting dose is 1/8 mg per pound of body weight. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 > > >Based on my research, in my opinion DMSA is more dangerous. > Dana, could you elaborate more on this? DMSA is stressful on the liver and kidneys. ALA supports the liver and does not excrete metals via the kidneys. ALA is one of the antioxidants that the body naturally uses to help excrete metals. Just because it is " natural " , does not necessarily mean it is not dangerous, but definitely a point in its favor, in my opinion, over DMSA. >>From what I've read DMSA is more > dangerous only if they are dosed high and are administered infrequently. This can be a problem also. > Cutler's protocol is the safest out of any out there. Probably. But the chelator you use also impacts the safety, in my opinion. " Safest " and " entirely safe " are not the same thing. >> DMSA also doesn't > cross the BBB but ALA does, True, but I do not consider this a reason why ALA is " dangerous " . Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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