Re: Help - Antibiotics - To Give or Not to Give?

December 9, 2006

> I have to admit that I have secretly wanted to run some antibiotics

> on this kid for a while. That said, I am terrified of adverse

> effects, especially because he doesn't seem to have the most put

> together of guts to start. Any thoughts?

Can you get the injectable antibiotic?

Nell

December 9, 2006

Nell,

Good thought. I could ask, though I am pretty sure the docs think I am

a complete quack and won't agree. Any one have any suggestions about

how to best approach the docs to get injectable stuff?

Anne

>

> > I have to admit that I have secretly wanted to run some antibiotics

> > on this kid for a while. That said, I am terrified of adverse

> > effects, especially because he doesn't seem to have the most put

> > together of guts to start. Any thoughts?

>

> Can you get the injectable antibiotic?

>

> Nell

>

December 9, 2006

Yellow or green discharge from the nose is commonly thought to be a sign of

infection, but it isn't. A cold can last from 12-14 days, that's normal, but if

it continues past 21 days, thats a sign of problems. A cold with no fever is

viral and antibiotics are useless for viruses.

If there is no fever, there isn't an infection so antibiotics probably won't do

any good. I would resist the temptation to do the oral Amoxicillin. I would just

try some OTC immune boosters and wait and see if it clears up on its own.

We get no adverse effects from oral antibiotics, and have used them from time to

time and even noted improvement, although the yeast can get bad, so we use an rx

antifungal which takes care of that problem. However, her gut was always in

pretty good shape.

Hope your little guy feels better, Anne.

[ ] Help - Antibiotics - To Give or Not to Give?

Hi All,

My little dude has started getting colds recently, I believe because

of the colostrum I have started giving him. He had an irritated

throat that I thought may have been strep about three weeks ago.

Tests came back negative, and what he had either turned into the cold

he has now, or we are dealing with something else. His coughs are

getting mucusier, his boogies are pretty yellow, he has some stuff in

one ear. To my knowledge we are not running any fevers. He is in

decent spirits. A bit testy, but we did just end a 5 day ALA round

on Thursday afternoon. Hard to tell what is what.

Anyway, my dh made my little guy a docs appointment this morning. I

took him to see what the doc said, and she wants him on Amoxicillin.

Said what probably started out viral has given rise to a secondary

bacterial infection. Is this probably right? I have never given my

little guy antibiotics since I started biomed, so it has been a long

time. Since he was a chronically never sick kiddo, it was not

something I really had to deal with. So, what do I do? I am not so

keen on the idea of putting in OLE or some antibacterial that also

has antiviral properties. That is a can of worms I am not ready to

open at this point. I do have LDN on hand that I was contemplating

adding. I also have Transfer Factor 560 and EpiCor on hand. Anybody

have any suggestions?

I have to admit that I have secretly wanted to run some antibiotics

on this kid for a while. That said, I am terrified of adverse

effects, especially because he doesn't seem to have the most put

together of guts to start. Any thoughts?

Anne

December 9, 2006

Doesn't bacterial infections come with a fever usually?

At least it seems to for my kids. If they have sinus discharge and

no fever..it is a cold?

>

> Yellow or green discharge from the nose is commonly thought to be

a sign of infection, but it isn't. A cold can last from 12-14 days,

that's normal, but if it continues past 21 days, thats a sign of

problems. A cold with no fever is viral and antibiotics are useless

for viruses.

>

> If there is no fever, there isn't an infection so antibiotics

probably won't do any good. I would resist the temptation to do the

oral Amoxicillin. I would just try some OTC immune boosters and wait

and see if it clears up on its own.

>

> We get no adverse effects from oral antibiotics, and have used

them from time to time and even noted improvement, although the

yeast can get bad, so we use an rx antifungal which takes care of

that problem. However, her gut was always in pretty good shape.

>

> Hope your little guy feels better, Anne.

>

> [ ] Help - Antibiotics - To Give or Not to

Give?

>

> Hi All,

>

> My little dude has started getting colds recently, I believe

because

> of the colostrum I have started giving him. He had an irritated

> throat that I thought may have been strep about three weeks ago.

> Tests came back negative, and what he had either turned into the

cold

> he has now, or we are dealing with something else. His coughs

are

> getting mucusier, his boogies are pretty yellow, he has some

stuff in

> one ear. To my knowledge we are not running any fevers. He is in

> decent spirits. A bit testy, but we did just end a 5 day ALA

round

> on Thursday afternoon. Hard to tell what is what.

>

> Anyway, my dh made my little guy a docs appointment this

morning. I

> took him to see what the doc said, and she wants him on

Amoxicillin.

> Said what probably started out viral has given rise to a

secondary

> bacterial infection. Is this probably right? I have never given

my

> little guy antibiotics since I started biomed, so it has been a

long

> time. Since he was a chronically never sick kiddo, it was not

> something I really had to deal with. So, what do I do? I am not

so

> keen on the idea of putting in OLE or some antibacterial that

also

> has antiviral properties. That is a can of worms I am not ready

to

> open at this point. I do have LDN on hand that I was

contemplating

> adding. I also have Transfer Factor 560 and EpiCor on hand.

Anybody

> have any suggestions?

>

> I have to admit that I have secretly wanted to run some

antibiotics

> on this kid for a while. That said, I am terrified of adverse

> effects, especially because he doesn't seem to have the most put

> together of guts to start. Any thoughts?

>

> Anne

>

December 9, 2006

Jan, that is my understanding, however, peds will still prescribe antibiotics

for nasal discharge and that just adds to the confusion, but no temp, no

infection, antibiotics are not useful and that is what my research has found.

When pushed, that is what our ped admitted to, however, then he pushed an

antihistamine. You have no idea how drug reps can push drs into writing scripts

and how the drug reps come into the office knowing exactly how many scripts the

dr has written for their particular drug and how there are really nice

incentives if that dr has been found to be one of the drs writing the top number

of prescriptions.....this is medicine?

I have no problem using drugs if they are necessary but what ends up happening

is the benefit to the dr and the drug rep way overshadows the benefit to the

patient. Just working in a family practice clinic for 6 years really opened my

eyes to a lot of things.

[ ] Help - Antibiotics - To Give or Not to

Give?

>

> Hi All,

>

> My little dude has started getting colds recently, I believe

because

> of the colostrum I have started giving him. He had an irritated

> throat that I thought may have been strep about three weeks ago.

> Tests came back negative, and what he had either turned into the

cold

> he has now, or we are dealing with something else. His coughs

are

> getting mucusier, his boogies are pretty yellow, he has some

stuff in

> one ear. To my knowledge we are not running any fevers. He is in

> decent spirits. A bit testy, but we did just end a 5 day ALA

round

> on Thursday afternoon. Hard to tell what is what.

>

> Anyway, my dh made my little guy a docs appointment this

morning. I

> took him to see what the doc said, and she wants him on

Amoxicillin.

> Said what probably started out viral has given rise to a

secondary

> bacterial infection. Is this probably right? I have never given

my

> little guy antibiotics since I started biomed, so it has been a

long

> time. Since he was a chronically never sick kiddo, it was not

> something I really had to deal with. So, what do I do? I am not

so

> keen on the idea of putting in OLE or some antibacterial that

also

> has antiviral properties. That is a can of worms I am not ready

to

> open at this point. I do have LDN on hand that I was

contemplating

> adding. I also have Transfer Factor 560 and EpiCor on hand.

Anybody

> have any suggestions?

>

> I have to admit that I have secretly wanted to run some

antibiotics

> on this kid for a while. That said, I am terrified of adverse

> effects, especially because he doesn't seem to have the most put

> together of guts to start. Any thoughts?

>

> Anne

>

December 9, 2006

fwiw, our children have been 'no fever'. The pdd one ran her first

at age 16 during one of the initial rounds of chelation. Since on

ldn, she has had several episodes of low grade fever. Another

child,nt, was very sick with a ruptured appendix at age 10. He

looked at death's door before anyone took the symptoms seriously. It

was 4 days until an elevated wbc appeared. He had NO fever during

any of the pre surgical or post operative course. One parent had

much the same experience with appendix - only no fever or elevated

wbc, just pain and rupture. Another sibling had multiple strep

infections with no fever. A grandchild also has this pattern - the

only sign of strep for him is ocd. Needless to say, I don't put much

stock in 'fevers'.

> >

> > Yellow or green discharge from the nose is commonly thought to

be

> a sign of infection, but it isn't. A cold can last from 12-14

days,

> that's normal, but if it continues past 21 days, thats a sign of

> problems. A cold with no fever is viral and antibiotics are

useless

> for viruses.

> >

> > If there is no fever, there isn't an infection so antibiotics

> probably won't do any good. I would resist the temptation to do

the

> oral Amoxicillin. I would just try some OTC immune boosters and

wait

> and see if it clears up on its own.

> >

> > We get no adverse effects from oral antibiotics, and have used

> them from time to time and even noted improvement, although the

> yeast can get bad, so we use an rx antifungal which takes care of

> that problem. However, her gut was always in pretty good shape.

> >

> > Hope your little guy feels better, Anne.

> >

> > [ ] Help - Antibiotics - To Give or Not

to

> Give?

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > My little dude has started getting colds recently, I believe

> because

> > of the colostrum I have started giving him. He had an

irritated

> > throat that I thought may have been strep about three weeks

ago.

> > Tests came back negative, and what he had either turned into

the

> cold

> > he has now, or we are dealing with something else. His coughs

> are

> > getting mucusier, his boogies are pretty yellow, he has some

> stuff in

> > one ear. To my knowledge we are not running any fevers. He is

in

> > decent spirits. A bit testy, but we did just end a 5 day ALA

> round

> > on Thursday afternoon. Hard to tell what is what.

> >

> > Anyway, my dh made my little guy a docs appointment this

> morning. I

> > took him to see what the doc said, and she wants him on

> Amoxicillin.

> > Said what probably started out viral has given rise to a

> secondary

> > bacterial infection. Is this probably right? I have never

given

> my

> > little guy antibiotics since I started biomed, so it has been

a

> long

> > time. Since he was a chronically never sick kiddo, it was not

> > something I really had to deal with. So, what do I do? I am

not

> so

> > keen on the idea of putting in OLE or some antibacterial that

> also

> > has antiviral properties. That is a can of worms I am not

ready

> to

> > open at this point. I do have LDN on hand that I was

> contemplating

> > adding. I also have Transfer Factor 560 and EpiCor on hand.

> Anybody

> > have any suggestions?

> >

> > I have to admit that I have secretly wanted to run some

> antibiotics

> > on this kid for a while. That said, I am terrified of adverse

> > effects, especially because he doesn't seem to have the most

put

> > together of guts to start. Any thoughts?

> >

> > Anne

> >

December 9, 2006

Hi Anne,

We had the same thing when we first started using colostrum.

Our son had his first " cold " , started out with a bit of a cough and then the

snot which he never had before.

He didn't seem all that sick, so we upped the Vit-C and the colostrum a bit

and it ran it's course.

He has had a few minor colds since then with similar symptoms but less snot.

He got the flu a few weeks ago and was generous enough to show us his

stomach contents, but that also went pretty normal.

Good Luck !

Neil

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Subject: Re: [ ] Help - Antibiotics - To Give or Not to Give?

Yellow or green discharge from the nose is commonly thought to be a sign of

infection, but it isn't. A cold can last from 12-14 days, that's normal, but

if it continues past 21 days, thats a sign of problems. A cold with no fever

is viral and antibiotics are useless for viruses.

If there is no fever, there isn't an infection so antibiotics probably won't

do any good. I would resist the temptation to do the oral Amoxicillin. I

would just try some OTC immune boosters and wait and see if it clears up on

its own.

We get no adverse effects from oral antibiotics, and have used them from

time to time and even noted improvement, although the yeast can get bad, so

we use an rx antifungal which takes care of that problem. However, her gut

was always in pretty good shape.