Re: Can't Get Up Middle of Night for Dosing

[Guest guest]

>

> I need to chelate myself. I'm grown up with high lead and mercury. I

> wanted to try the frequent low dosing and I was doing it WITHOUT waking

> up in the middle of night because I have insomnia and once I'm

awaken, I

> can't fall back to sleep. I usually wake up after 4-5 hours anyway

This is a very common problem with toxic adults. People do find

ways to deal with it, such as melatonin, rx meds, herbs, or other

supportive measures to help with sleep. I think Andy has a list

of things to address insomnia in Amalgam Illness.

> I'm thinking if I stay asleep 5 or more hours, I may be allowing

toxic metals

> to redeposit and wonder if I therefore shouldn't be using this method.

That's right, and it's better to stop chelating this way until

you have a solution to the sleep problem.

> Anyone have any suggestions?

Suggestions above. You may also want to look into whether

you have adrenal and/or thyroid problems, as those can contribute

to sleep problems.

This topic comes up on the adult groups fairly often:

frequent-dose-chelation

adult-metal-chelation

--

I was exposed to high lead from dry

> sanding some paint that had undercoats of leaded paint and when tested

> for that, discovered mercury levels weren't good either probably due to

> amalgams. I had amalgams taken out though couple years ago, right

after

> those tests and so are long gone now.

>

[Guest guest]

I had terrible problems with sleep before my fillings were removed.

Afterwards it was somewhat better. Some nights are harder than

others.

I take my last dose between 11:30pm and 12am, then set to wake at

4am, take you dose with a half a tablet of melatonin. Make sure to

reset your clock for 8am. We use the melatonin with my kids to

because we have noticed that the dmsa seems to interfer with getting

to sleep. So aim for the latest dose you can stay up for, then you

are only waking up once a night. I have found that it is getting

better as I chelate, and also treat my adrenals. I tell ya that

melatonin is no joke, I swear less than 20 minutes and I am out cold!

- In , " " <sage@...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > I need to chelate myself. I'm grown up with high lead and

mercury. I

> > wanted to try the frequent low dosing and I was doing it WITHOUT

waking

> > up in the middle of night because I have insomnia and once I'm

> awaken, I

> > can't fall back to sleep. I usually wake up after 4-5 hours

anyway

>

>

>

> This is a very common problem with toxic adults. People do find

> ways to deal with it, such as melatonin, rx meds, herbs, or other

> supportive measures to help with sleep. I think Andy has a list

> of things to address insomnia in Amalgam Illness.

>

>

>

>

>

> > I'm thinking if I stay asleep 5 or more hours, I may be allowing

> toxic metals

> > to redeposit and wonder if I therefore shouldn't be using this

method.

>

>

>

> That's right, and it's better to stop chelating this way until

> you have a solution to the sleep problem.

>

>

>

> > Anyone have any suggestions?

>

>

>

> Suggestions above. You may also want to look into whether

> you have adrenal and/or thyroid problems, as those can contribute

> to sleep problems.

>

> This topic comes up on the adult groups fairly often:

>

> frequent-dose-chelation

> adult-metal-chelation

>

> --

>

>

>

>

> I was exposed to high lead from dry

> > sanding some paint that had undercoats of leaded paint and when

tested

> > for that, discovered mercury levels weren't good either probably

due to

> > amalgams. I had amalgams taken out though couple years ago,

right

> after

> > those tests and so are long gone now.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Thanks. What do you do for your adrenals. My

doctor said tests show my adrenals are messed up

but not a suggestion on how to treat yet, or

maybe something he has already suggested is

supposed to help. I need to ask him. Thanks for

the melatonin tip.

--- Jan <paxlforme@...> wrote:

> I had terrible problems with sleep before my

> fillings were removed.

> Afterwards it was somewhat better. Some nights

> are harder than

> others.

[Guest guest]

I used to have more trouble sleeping, esp. when I would have a flare of anxiety.

It wasn't

all that unusual for me to wake at 3 am with my mind racing.

I just finished round 38, and I'm sleeping much better. A big contributor is

the exercise

I've been getting. Chelating seems to have helped loosen the glue that was

keeping me

from moving my body much. I've been able to exercise regularly since this

Spring and it

has improved my mood, energy level, and I'm sleeping so much better.

When we (the kids & I) first began to chelate last December, I was more wired

about not

missing the night doses and I had trouble going back to sleep. Now, I'm having

the

opposite problem. I'm so groggy at night that I'm having difficulty waking to

give the

night doses to myself and the kids. I have 2 alarms set, and need to move them

further

away so I have to *get up* and turn them off.

We've been dosing at midnight (which I'm usually up for anyways), 3 am, and then

6 am. I

usually sleep until 8 or 9, so I can usually go back sleep after the 6. Not

always though.

I know some people dose at midnight (when they are up anyways), then go four

hours to 4

am, then to 7 am when they are up for the day. So, only one waking. You might

be able

to fiddle with your dosing schedule so it fits into your lifestyle, and yes, it

may be difficult

at first, but will get better as you heal.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Get Adrenal Cortex Extract from Nutricology. It is the most

economically priced and is organic. I get mine from Iherb.com

Start off with one cap in the am. After a week or so you may notice

that your suddenly new calmer self wears off by 4pm, this is when you

add another cap. At some point you may need to be taking 3-4 caps

spread out over a day. You will notice when to redose by the return of

your side effects. This stuff is wonderful and has been a life saver

around here. My daughter and myself are both on it now. And wow...what

a difference! No problem on the melatonin, another lifesaver. People

who do not sleep enough are prone to adrenal problems, since the

adrenals do their fixing at night. I hope it helps!

>

> > I had terrible problems with sleep before my

> > fillings were removed.

> > Afterwards it was somewhat better. Some nights

> > are harder than

> > others.

>

[Guest guest]

When we can't do the every 4hr thing we switch to oral DMPS without

ALA. DMPS is every 8hrs (unlike DMSA), which means 11pm, 7am, and

3pm for us. ALA is good but our sanity is more important.

Sheri Wang

>

> I used to have more trouble sleeping, esp. when I would have a

flare of anxiety. It wasn't

> all that unusual for me to wake at 3 am with my mind racing.

>

> I just finished round 38, and I'm sleeping much better. A big

contributor is the exercise

> I've been getting. Chelating seems to have helped loosen the glue

that was keeping me

> from moving my body much. I've been able to exercise regularly

since this Spring and it

> has improved my mood, energy level, and I'm sleeping so much

better.

>

> When we (the kids & I) first began to chelate last December, I was

more wired about not

> missing the night doses and I had trouble going back to sleep.

Now, I'm having the

> opposite problem. I'm so groggy at night that I'm having

difficulty waking to give the

> night doses to myself and the kids. I have 2 alarms set, and need

to move them further

> away so I have to *get up* and turn them off.

>

> We've been dosing at midnight (which I'm usually up for anyways),

3 am, and then 6 am. I

> usually sleep until 8 or 9, so I can usually go back sleep after

the 6. Not always though.

>

> I know some people dose at midnight (when they are up anyways),

then go four hours to 4

> am, then to 7 am when they are up for the day. So, only one

waking. You might be able

> to fiddle with your dosing schedule so it fits into your

lifestyle, and yes, it may be difficult

> at first, but will get better as you heal.

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Jan,

> Thanks. What do you do for your adrenals.

Adrenal info

http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> When we can't do the every 4hr thing we switch to oral DMPS without

> ALA. DMPS is every 8hrs (unlike DMSA), which means 11pm, 7am, and

> 3pm for us. ALA is good but our sanity is more important.

>

> Sheri Wang

This is fine for someone who does not have lead. Anyone with a

lead issue needs to use DMSA at least part of the time.

--

[Guest guest]

I have more lead than mercury. Do you think DMPS would chelate well

for mostly lead person? (I couldn't find a 'lead' group and I like the

slow/low approach since I don't tolerate chemicals well. However I

could still probably do the slow/low approach with DMPS, don't you

think?

>

> When we can't do the every 4hr thing we switch to oral DMPS without

> ALA. DMPS is every 8hrs (unlike DMSA), which means 11pm, 7am, and

> 3pm for us. ALA is good but our sanity is more important.

>

> Sheri Wang

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doctor gave me a DMSA challenge to test for lead. I know that is not

advised but it was before I was reading about this but for some reason

she challenged with DMSA and then gave me EDTA. I don't get that. I

feel more comfortable using what showed that worked.

> >

> > This is fine for someone who does not have lead. Anyone with a

> lead issue needs to use DMSA at least part of the time.

>

> --

>

[Guest guest]

We are mostly lead here, and dmsa is the recomended chelator for

lead. This is what Andy told us to use when he checked my kids hair

tests. As I understand from the research I read, it is the most

effective for lead removal.

EDTA is not good for anyone with mercury.

I understand your difficulty with sleep loss and getting to sleep

after waking. Beleive me it is not easy but you might find that

after only a round or two with dmsa, your sleep improves enough to

continue using it. You may also find that you need melatonin and

other hormone support. I found that the first few rounds of dmsa

went well, but the day after a round I could not fall asleep.

Melatonin for a few nights reset me to sleeping again. Likely any

chelator will tinker with things a bit, as your body is going to go

through changes. You will need a script for dmps in the US. DMSA you

can get without. No one can say what's best for you.

For us, dmsa is working excellent on my son's lead, and myself. It

is also helping my mercury child.

> >

> > When we can't do the every 4hr thing we switch to oral DMPS

without

> > ALA. DMPS is every 8hrs (unlike DMSA), which means 11pm, 7am,

and

> > 3pm for us. ALA is good but our sanity is more important.

> >

> > Sheri Wang

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We use TD-DMPS once every other day. It is Dr. Buttar's protocal.

OR if you really want to try Andy's way you could do the timed

release ALA. Best wishes, I'm sure you will feel better and sleep

better without those toxins!!

>

> I need to chelate myself. I'm grown up with high lead and

mercury. I

> wanted to try the frequent low dosing and I was doing it WITHOUT

waking

> up in the middle of night because I have insomnia and once I'm

awaken, I

> can't fall back to sleep. I usually wake up after 4-5 hours

anyway but now

> I'm thinking if I stay asleep 5 or more hours, I may be allowing

toxic metals

> to redeposit and wonder if I therefore shouldn't be using this

method.

> Anyone have any suggestions? I was exposed to high lead from dry

> sanding some paint that had undercoats of leaded paint and when

tested

> for that, discovered mercury levels weren't good either probably

due to

> amalgams. I had amalgams taken out though couple years ago, right

after

> those tests and so are long gone now.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I need to chelate myself. I'm grown up with high lead and

> mercury. I

> > wanted to try the frequent low dosing and I was doing it WITHOUT

> waking

> > up in the middle of night because I have insomnia and once I'm

> awaken, I

> > can't fall back to sleep. I usually wake up after 4-5 hours

> anyway but now

> > I'm thinking if I stay asleep 5 or more hours, I may be allowing

> toxic metals

> > to redeposit and wonder if I therefore shouldn't be using this

> method.

> > Anyone have any suggestions?

I am chelating myself. I was so seriously ill when I started

chelation that it was impossible for me to wake up at night to take

ALA (or DMSA). I chose to start chelation with DMPS. It has been

wonderful! I have been chelating with oral DMPS for about a year. At

first I took doses every 8 h, then later switched to every 6 h. I

still get to sleep through the night.

Now that I have chelated for some time, and improved diet and

supplements during that time, and included some medications that help

me, I am ready to wake up at night for ALA rounds. I can do it now!

I was exposed to high lead from dry

> > sanding some paint that had undercoats of leaded paint

Eventually it would probably be good to use DMSA for the lead and that

would mean waking up every 4 h at night, but....

and when

> tested

> > for that, discovered mercury levels weren't good either

why not start chelating the mercury out with oral DMPS and enjoy

sleeping through the night.....

probably

> due to

> > amalgams. I had amalgams taken out though couple years ago, right

> after

> > those tests and so are long gone now.

> >

Be sure that all amalgam is out even under crowns before trying any

chelators. Andy's two books

(www.noamalgam.com)(www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html) are essential

for reference. And, an essential element hair test from DDI

(www.directlabs.com) is very inexpensive and will help with treatment

decisions.

Good luck

J

>

[Guest guest]

I have read in archive where Andy said a timed released ALA would be

fine...I have also read where he says otherwise...

I believe the TD form was the kind he seemed happer with, but never

100% convinced it worked?. You can read under the files section or

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2422.html

I am not sure what brand is effective or if any are, but I know they

sell it.

> > >

> > > I need to chelate myself. I'm grown up with high lead and

> > mercury. I

> > > wanted to try the frequent low dosing and I was doing it

WITHOUT

> > waking

> > > up in the middle of night because I have insomnia and once I'm

> > awaken, I

> > > can't fall back to sleep. I usually wake up after 4-5 hours

> > anyway but now

> > > I'm thinking if I stay asleep 5 or more hours, I may be

allowing

> > toxic metals

> > > to redeposit and wonder if I therefore shouldn't be using this

> > method.

> > > Anyone have any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

> I am chelating myself. I was so seriously ill when I started

> chelation that it was impossible for me to wake up at night to take

> ALA (or DMSA). I chose to start chelation with DMPS. It has been

> wonderful! I have been chelating with oral DMPS for about a

year. At

> first I took doses every 8 h, then later switched to every 6 h. I

> still get to sleep through the night.

>

> Now that I have chelated for some time, and improved diet and

> supplements during that time, and included some medications that

help

> me, I am ready to wake up at night for ALA rounds. I can do it

now!

>

>

>

>

> I was exposed to high lead from dry

> > > sanding some paint that had undercoats of leaded paint

>

>

>

> Eventually it would probably be good to use DMSA for the lead and

that

> would mean waking up every 4 h at night, but....

>

>

>

> and when

> > tested

> > > for that, discovered mercury levels weren't good either

>

>

>

> why not start chelating the mercury out with oral DMPS and enjoy

> sleeping through the night.....

>

>

>

>

>

> probably

> > due to

> > > amalgams. I had amalgams taken out though couple years ago,

right

> > after

> > > those tests and so are long gone now.

> > >

>

>

>

> Be sure that all amalgam is out even under crowns before trying any

> chelators. Andy's two books

> (www.noamalgam.com)(www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html) are

essential

> for reference. And, an essential element hair test from DDI

> (www.directlabs.com) is very inexpensive and will help with

treatment

> decisions.

>

> Good luck

>

>

> J

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just did a search on Onibasu using " andrewhallcutler time release ala " .

I don't see the benefit of time release, since it still needs to be given every

3 hours (you

can go 4 hours at night).

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

in Illinois

Refering to old post you said some people dose in

4 hours so they only have to get up once in the

middle of night. I usually only sleep 5. Do

you/you people think waiting to 5 hours would be

problem with DMSA? If so, I probably will try to

do DPMS or whatever the other one is. I hate to

lose that one hour. 5 hours is so little.

Sometimes I wake up at 4 for the day but I just

can't count on it. If chelating improved my

sleep, perhaps I could switch to DMSA in future

chelating.

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

I don't know the answer to your question. Yes, it's " okay " to go 4 hours with

ALA at night

(although we don't, we dose at every 3 around the clock), but is it " okay " to go

5 hours at

night with DMSA?

I reread part of the thread, and I'm wondering if you've started to treat your

adrenals yet.

I have read over and over and over again at Frequent Dose Chelation that detox

feels

terrible if you are not taking the proper supporting supplements, and quite

often the first

areas that need attention in adults are thyroid and adrenals.

I would urge you to look into the things you may need to do in order to be ready

to

chelate, and it sounds like proper adrenal support would be high on your list.

Have you asked over at Frequent Dose Chelation?

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

No, you can only go 1/2 hour past the 4, max.

Barb

[ ] Re: Can't Get Up Middle of Night for Dosing

in Illinois

Refering to old post you said some people dose in

4 hours so they only have to get up once in the

middle of night. I usually only sleep 5. Do

you/you people think waiting to 5 hours would be

problem with DMSA? If so, I probably will try to

do DPMS or whatever the other one is. I hate to

lose that one hour. 5 hours is so little.

Sometimes I wake up at 4 for the day but I just

can't count on it. If chelating improved my

sleep, perhaps I could switch to DMSA in future

chelating.

[Guest guest]

> >

> > >

> > > I need to chelate myself. I'm grown up with high lead and

> > mercury. I

> > > wanted to try the frequent low dosing and I was doing it

WITHOUT

> > waking

> > > up in the middle of night because I have insomnia and once I'm

> > awaken, I

> > > can't fall back to sleep.

Insomnia, my old friend, and why I am up at 3:58 AM, see, I didn't

take my melatonin early enough (30 to 45 minutes before going to

bed). I think you can safely use 24 mg, maybe more. It doesn't

create dependence adn it doesn't interfere with your body's

production of melatonin.

My own use has gone up and down, started with 6 mg, went up to 9, 18

and even 21 mg for a few days, then months at 15mg, then months 9mg,

months at 6 mg, a few weeks at 3mg and now up again, 15mg and if

chelating or upset or similar 18 mg.

The good part is that I wake up and go back to sleep beautifully.

Then waking up every 3 hours is easier for me than every 4. I heard

some research that suggests that an entire sleeping cicle goes for

about 90 min, if you interrupt it you feel more tired, even if you

sleep more. So at nights I chelate too every 3 hours and it works

rather well.

Raquel

I usually wake up after 4-5 hours

> > anyway but now

> > > I'm thinking if I stay asleep 5 or more hours, I may be

allowing

> > toxic metals

> > > to redeposit and wonder if I therefore shouldn't be using this

> > method.

> > > Anyone have any suggestions?

>

>

>

>

> I am chelating myself. I was so seriously ill when I started

> chelation that it was impossible for me to wake up at night to take

> ALA (or DMSA). I chose to start chelation with DMPS. It has been

> wonderful! I have been chelating with oral DMPS for about a

year. At

> first I took doses every 8 h, then later switched to every 6 h. I

> still get to sleep through the night.

>

> Now that I have chelated for some time, and improved diet and

> supplements during that time, and included some medications that

help

> me, I am ready to wake up at night for ALA rounds. I can do it

now!

>

>

>

>

> I was exposed to high lead from dry

> > > sanding some paint that had undercoats of leaded paint

>

>

>

> Eventually it would probably be good to use DMSA for the lead and

that

> would mean waking up every 4 h at night, but....

>

>

>

> and when

> > tested

> > > for that, discovered mercury levels weren't good either

>

>

>

> why not start chelating the mercury out with oral DMPS and enjoy

> sleeping through the night.....

>

>

>

>

>

> probably

> > due to

> > > amalgams. I had amalgams taken out though couple years ago,

right

> > after

> > > those tests and so are long gone now.

> > >

>

>

>

> Be sure that all amalgam is out even under crowns before trying any

> chelators. Andy's two books

> (www.noamalgam.com)(www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html) are

essential

> for reference. And, an essential element hair test from DDI

> (www.directlabs.com) is very inexpensive and will help with

treatment

> decisions.

>

> Good luck

>

>

> J

>

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There is a timed-release ALA??? Where do I find out about that??

Thanks

>

> We use TD-DMPS once every other day. It is Dr. Buttar's protocal.

> OR if you really want to try Andy's way you could do the timed

> release ALA. Best wishes, I'm sure you will feel better and sleep

> better without those toxins!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Never mind, I read the response..

>

> There is a timed-release ALA??? Where do I find out about that??

> Thanks

>

>