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Hi Kerrie

Gee, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I don't have an answer for

you, but I do know that in your situation I would not go either,

given your safety concerns and the impossibility of the situation.

Knowing that your nieces are getting more support than you and your

son must not help *at all*.

This summer my son and I are NOT going with my husband and daughter

on vacation to visit relatives. My version of hell involves being an

extended houseguest - odd little son and suitcase of supplements in

tow - at a home where I am uncomfortable and unwelcome. I heard

through the grapevine that our arrival was dreaded, and was quite

happy to relieve these people of their burden. That might be my Hg

acting up, but it felt GREAT to dump that obligation ;-).

However, in my experience generally, I have never regretted giving

myself a little time to cool off before sending angry letters. I

don't think I've ever actually sent them after some thought, at least

not the really raw, unedited versions. You know your dad best, and

maybe something this terse is exactly what he needs to see/hear. Or

maybe he needs a little more background (spelled out as p l a i n l y

and neutrally as possible) about your emotional and financial

situation, why you really can't feel much sympathy for his triple

mortgage dilemma, etc. It's amazing how self-absorbed some people

can be, and when they are relatives that SHOULD BE SUPPORTING YOU it

really hurts. I do think that Andy really got it right in the

Amalgam Illness book when he said to find the people who will support

you, whoever they are, even if they aren't the ones who SHOULD be

supporting you.

I'm so sorry that you don't have more help and empathy from your dad.

take care

René

>

> I can't bring myself to hit send but this is what I want to send

them. After

> you read it go to the link to see the picture since I can't post

pictures

> here.

>

> Letter to Dad:

>

>

> Figure out what this costs me each month mentally, emotionally and

> financially, then call me crying about your three mortgages.

>

> Sorry we can't come visit. I'm too busy trying to recover my son

from a

> nightmare called autism which stole my normal healthy boy as

quickly and quietly

> as a thief in the night.

>

> _http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg_

> (http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg)

>

>

> What do you think? Too harsh or right on the money?

>

> Thanks for reading. I need to vent so bad but no one gets it, but I

know you

> all understand

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I feel exactly where you are. I would send it..but I too am mercury

toxic and very angery most of the time.

My parents live right here, about 10 minutes away, yet they never

stop over. I actually told my mom off in front of a bunch of people

once as she was going on and on about how there is " nothing wrong

with my son " and she doesnt' see any problem. So I popped off and

said " since you spend no time with him, how would you know? " .

My inlaws don't even know the hell I live because my hubby is to

chicken to sit them down and explain what is wrong with their

grandson. He has been putting it off since we found all this out in

May. I am the one that had to put my foot down on the crap they kept

trying to feed him when we visited. And he himself is still living

with blinders on. We had a huge fight because I won't let him take

my son to the putting range or golf course...since they spray it

with arsenic..my son has a lot of that already.

Most of my family either doesn't have a clue, or pretends it doesn't

exsist. Out of site, out of mind. For most of the people on this

planet, that is easier than reality.

You may end up doing what I have done...just walking away from the

all and do what you need to do for your son and yourself. I am not

even sure how much longer my marriage will survive this, let alone

extended family. I am at the point where the only ones who matter

are my kids and everyone else can go to ....

I watch relatives and family with money too, how they get new

vehicles, houses, vacations etc...we struggle to pay for supplements

and still eat at the end of the month. This month I have $4 left in

the bank until August 1st, now that I have written out the bills.

I would write a " we are not comming down to visit letter " and

explain with a detailed list the cost of the supplements you had to

purchase this month, and how your child cannot travel due to his

illness. Yes, put illness...people don't really get it. Our kids are

sick! Let him know your sorry he can't come but you have to stay

here to take care of your son in the enviornment that is best and

safest for him. Perhaps sometime he will find the time and money to

visit. Take care..ta ta for now...blah, blah, blah.

Please know your not alone. I have this group, and my two kids.

Alone here too.

>

> I live in NY my dad lives in Florida. Dad is financially well off

and no

> help to me. Him and my wife were supposed to come visit sometime

in August. They

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I couldn't help but respond to this message. My son is now 15 and when he was

first diagnosed at 2 yrs my extended families reaction has been a nightmare too.

there is little to no support and in fact my mother still thinks I should put my

son " somewhere " . Somewhere where " people " can take care of him.

In the beginning it affected my relationship with my husband, but I overlooked

alot of things communicated my feelings and compromised, not my son, but worked

with my husband and made him feel a part of the process of helping my son. We

became born again christians and I can't even tell you how much we rely on each

other. Daddies are very important to these kids. They need them and no

marriage should break up over this. I hope to the one woman who's marriage is

on the rocks, that you and your husband can come together. It is so worth it.

Extended family is tricky. Very few people can understand what we go through

unless they are going through it. It's just like any situation. I remember a

woman had lost a baby. I felt terrible for her and then asked her if she was

going to have another baby? YIKS. How stupid was I. I didn't mean it and can

never understand what it is to loose a baby like that. I didn't mean to say

something that stupid, and I think alot of people who hurt us might be the same

way.

My husband and I lean on Christ and since then everthing has fallen into place.

Jesus gets us through the toughest times and helps us to forgive those who stand

by when we are in such obvious need of help. I thank God every day for my son

because he led us our salvation.

I will keep you in my prayers. I know, after 13 years of dealing with family

how hard it can be, but I can tell you, you'll get tough skin and it will get

easier. I just pray for my mother and limit my calls to her. I love her still

and just know her value system is very different from mine, thanks to my son

and Jesus.

God Bless,

[ ] Re: WAY OT: personal issue but something tells me

you all can relate in some way

Hi Kerrie

Gee, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I don't have an answer for

you, but I do know that in your situation I would not go either,

given your safety concerns and the impossibility of the situation.

Knowing that your nieces are getting more support than you and your

son must not help *at all*.

This summer my son and I are NOT going with my husband and daughter

on vacation to visit relatives. My version of hell involves being an

extended houseguest - odd little son and suitcase of supplements in

tow - at a home where I am uncomfortable and unwelcome. I heard

through the grapevine that our arrival was dreaded, and was quite

happy to relieve these people of their burden. That might be my Hg

acting up, but it felt GREAT to dump that obligation ;-).

However, in my experience generally, I have never regretted giving

myself a little time to cool off before sending angry letters. I

don't think I've ever actually sent them after some thought, at least

not the really raw, unedited versions. You know your dad best, and

maybe something this terse is exactly what he needs to see/hear. Or

maybe he needs a little more background (spelled out as p l a i n l y

and neutrally as possible) about your emotional and financial

situation, why you really can't feel much sympathy for his triple

mortgage dilemma, etc. It's amazing how self-absorbed some people

can be, and when they are relatives that SHOULD BE SUPPORTING YOU it

really hurts. I do think that Andy really got it right in the

Amalgam Illness book when he said to find the people who will support

you, whoever they are, even if they aren't the ones who SHOULD be

supporting you.

I'm so sorry that you don't have more help and empathy from your dad.

take care

René

>

> I can't bring myself to hit send but this is what I want to send

them. After

> you read it go to the link to see the picture since I can't post

pictures

> here.

>

> Letter to Dad:

>

>

> Figure out what this costs me each month mentally, emotionally and

> financially, then call me crying about your three mortgages.

>

> Sorry we can't come visit. I'm too busy trying to recover my son

from a

> nightmare called autism which stole my normal healthy boy as

quickly and quietly

> as a thief in the night.

>

> _http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg_

> (http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg)

>

>

> What do you think? Too harsh or right on the money?

>

> Thanks for reading. I need to vent so bad but no one gets it, but I

know you

> all understand

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I'm sorry

the pictures you posted of all the supplements, oils, needles etc etc

is all the stuff you give to your child?

do you give that all to your child everyday???

On 7/27/06, Ed <torresd61@...> wrote:

>

> I couldn't help but respond to this message. My son is now 15 and when

> he was first diagnosed at 2 yrs my extended families reaction has been a

> nightmare too. there is little to no support and in fact my mother still

> thinks I should put my son " somewhere " . Somewhere where " people " can take

> care of him.

> In the beginning it affected my relationship with my husband, but I

> overlooked alot of things communicated my feelings and compromised, not my

> son, but worked with my husband and made him feel a part of the process of

> helping my son. We became born again christians and I can't even tell you

> how much we rely on each other. Daddies are very important to these kids.

> They need them and no marriage should break up over this. I hope to the one

> woman who's marriage is on the rocks, that you and your husband can come

> together. It is so worth it.

> Extended family is tricky. Very few people can understand what we go

> through unless they are going through it. It's just like any situation. I

> remember a woman had lost a baby. I felt terrible for her and then asked her

> if she was going to have another baby? YIKS. How stupid was I. I didn't mean

> it and can never understand what it is to loose a baby like that. I didn't

> mean to say something that stupid, and I think alot of people who hurt us

> might be the same way.

> My husband and I lean on Christ and since then everthing has fallen into

> place. Jesus gets us through the toughest times and helps us to forgive

> those who stand by when we are in such obvious need of help. I thank God

> every day for my son because he led us our salvation.

> I will keep you in my prayers. I know, after 13 years of dealing with

> family how hard it can be, but I can tell you, you'll get tough skin and it

> will get easier. I just pray for my mother and limit my calls to her. I love

> her still and just know her value system is very different from mine, thanks

> to my son and Jesus.

> God Bless,

>

>

> [ ] Re: WAY OT: personal issue but something tells

> me you all can relate in some way

>

> Hi Kerrie

>

> Gee, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I don't have an answer for

> you, but I do know that in your situation I would not go either,

> given your safety concerns and the impossibility of the situation.

> Knowing that your nieces are getting more support than you and your

> son must not help *at all*.

>

> This summer my son and I are NOT going with my husband and daughter

> on vacation to visit relatives. My version of hell involves being an

> extended houseguest - odd little son and suitcase of supplements in

> tow - at a home where I am uncomfortable and unwelcome. I heard

> through the grapevine that our arrival was dreaded, and was quite

> happy to relieve these people of their burden. That might be my Hg

> acting up, but it felt GREAT to dump that obligation ;-).

>

> However, in my experience generally, I have never regretted giving

> myself a little time to cool off before sending angry letters. I

> don't think I've ever actually sent them after some thought, at least

> not the really raw, unedited versions. You know your dad best, and

> maybe something this terse is exactly what he needs to see/hear. Or

> maybe he needs a little more background (spelled out as p l a i n l y

> and neutrally as possible) about your emotional and financial

> situation, why you really can't feel much sympathy for his triple

> mortgage dilemma, etc. It's amazing how self-absorbed some people

> can be, and when they are relatives that SHOULD BE SUPPORTING YOU it

> really hurts. I do think that Andy really got it right in the

> Amalgam Illness book when he said to find the people who will support

> you, whoever they are, even if they aren't the ones who SHOULD be

> supporting you.

>

> I'm so sorry that you don't have more help and empathy from your dad.

>

> take care

> René

>

>

> >

>

> > I can't bring myself to hit send but this is what I want to send

> them. After

> > you read it go to the link to see the picture since I can't post

> pictures

> > here.

> >

> > Letter to Dad:

> >

> >

> > Figure out what this costs me each month mentally, emotionally and

> > financially, then call me crying about your three mortgages.

> >

> > Sorry we can't come visit. I'm too busy trying to recover my son

> from a

> > nightmare called autism which stole my normal healthy boy as

> quickly and quietly

> > as a thief in the night.

> >

> > _http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg_

> > (http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg)

> >

> >

> > What do you think? Too harsh or right on the money?

> >

> > Thanks for reading. I need to vent so bad but no one gets it, but I

> know you

> > all understand

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Are you talking to me, , about the pictures of supplements ect....? I

think those where attached to the email I was responding to.

We are chelating and giving a few supplements and doing Lupron injections.

Sorry if your not talking to me, I just didn't want to not respond.

[ ] Re: WAY OT: personal issue but something tells

> me you all can relate in some way

>

> Hi Kerrie

>

> Gee, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I don't have an answer for

> you, but I do know that in your situation I would not go either,

> given your safety concerns and the impossibility of the situation.

> Knowing that your nieces are getting more support than you and your

> son must not help *at all*.

>

> This summer my son and I are NOT going with my husband and daughter

> on vacation to visit relatives. My version of hell involves being an

> extended houseguest - odd little son and suitcase of supplements in

> tow - at a home where I am uncomfortable and unwelcome. I heard

> through the grapevine that our arrival was dreaded, and was quite

> happy to relieve these people of their burden. That might be my Hg

> acting up, but it felt GREAT to dump that obligation ;-).

>

> However, in my experience generally, I have never regretted giving

> myself a little time to cool off before sending angry letters. I

> don't think I've ever actually sent them after some thought, at least

> not the really raw, unedited versions. You know your dad best, and

> maybe something this terse is exactly what he needs to see/hear. Or

> maybe he needs a little more background (spelled out as p l a i n l y

> and neutrally as possible) about your emotional and financial

> situation, why you really can't feel much sympathy for his triple

> mortgage dilemma, etc. It's amazing how self-absorbed some people

> can be, and when they are relatives that SHOULD BE SUPPORTING YOU it

> really hurts. I do think that Andy really got it right in the

> Amalgam Illness book when he said to find the people who will support

> you, whoever they are, even if they aren't the ones who SHOULD be

> supporting you.

>

> I'm so sorry that you don't have more help and empathy from your dad.

>

> take care

> René

>

>

> >

>

> > I can't bring myself to hit send but this is what I want to send

> them. After

> > you read it go to the link to see the picture since I can't post

> pictures

> > here.

> >

> > Letter to Dad:

> >

> >

> > Figure out what this costs me each month mentally, emotionally and

> > financially, then call me crying about your three mortgages.

> >

> > Sorry we can't come visit. I'm too busy trying to recover my son

> from a

> > nightmare called autism which stole my normal healthy boy as

> quickly and quietly

> > as a thief in the night.

> >

> > _http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg_

> > (http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg)

> >

> >

> > What do you think? Too harsh or right on the money?

> >

> > Thanks for reading. I need to vent so bad but no one gets it, but I

> know you

> > all understand

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I was responding to this link http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg

thats an insane amount of meds there...

On 7/27/06, Ed <torresd61@...> wrote:

>

> Are you talking to me, , about the pictures of supplements

> ect....? I think those where attached to the email I was responding to.

> We are chelating and giving a few supplements and doing Lupron injections.

> Sorry if your not talking to me, I just didn't want to not respond.

>

>

> [ ] Re: WAY OT: personal issue but something tells

> > me you all can relate in some way

> >

> > Hi Kerrie

> >

> > Gee, I'm so sorry to hear about this. I don't have an answer for

> > you, but I do know that in your situation I would not go either,

> > given your safety concerns and the impossibility of the situation.

> > Knowing that your nieces are getting more support than you and your

> > son must not help *at all*.

> >

> > This summer my son and I are NOT going with my husband and daughter

> > on vacation to visit relatives. My version of hell involves being an

> > extended houseguest - odd little son and suitcase of supplements in

> > tow - at a home where I am uncomfortable and unwelcome. I heard

> > through the grapevine that our arrival was dreaded, and was quite

> > happy to relieve these people of their burden. That might be my Hg

> > acting up, but it felt GREAT to dump that obligation ;-).

> >

> > However, in my experience generally, I have never regretted giving

> > myself a little time to cool off before sending angry letters. I

> > don't think I've ever actually sent them after some thought, at least

> > not the really raw, unedited versions. You know your dad best, and

> > maybe something this terse is exactly what he needs to see/hear. Or

> > maybe he needs a little more background (spelled out as p l a i n l y

> > and neutrally as possible) about your emotional and financial

> > situation, why you really can't feel much sympathy for his triple

> > mortgage dilemma, etc. It's amazing how self-absorbed some people

> > can be, and when they are relatives that SHOULD BE SUPPORTING YOU it

> > really hurts. I do think that Andy really got it right in the

> > Amalgam Illness book when he said to find the people who will support

> > you, whoever they are, even if they aren't the ones who SHOULD be

> > supporting you.

> >

> > I'm so sorry that you don't have more help and empathy from your dad.

> >

> > take care

> > René

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > I can't bring myself to hit send but this is what I want to send

> > them. After

> > > you read it go to the link to see the picture since I can't post

> > pictures

> > > here.

> > >

> > > Letter to Dad:

> > >

> > >

> > > Figure out what this costs me each month mentally, emotionally and

> > > financially, then call me crying about your three mortgages.

> > >

> > > Sorry we can't come visit. I'm too busy trying to recover my son

> > from a

> > > nightmare called autism which stole my normal healthy boy as

> > quickly and quietly

> > > as a thief in the night.

> > >

> > > _http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg_

> > > (http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg)

> > >

> > >

> > > What do you think? Too harsh or right on the money?

> > >

> > > Thanks for reading. I need to vent so bad but no one gets it, but I

> > know you

> > > all understand

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> I was responding to this link http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg

>

> thats an insane amount of meds there...

Yes it is. And I'm sure most of us have the same or more. I've got so

many boxes of supps tucked away it's ridiculous -- extras of what I'm

currently using, stuff that didn't work at all, stuff I plan to try

again later, stuff I'm taking but not n, stuff I bought on a

crazy whim and aren't sure what to do with.

I've had more than a few moments of thinking, hey, am I making all

this up? Do I really *need to be taking all this stuff? A few weeks

not taking supps answered that question. Won't be doing that again.

Nell

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I haven't managed to get myself up and running on anything with any

consistency. If I don't do so soon, I fear a labotomy will be in

order.

Anne

> >

> > I was responding to this link

http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg

> >

> > thats an insane amount of meds there...

>

> Yes it is. And I'm sure most of us have the same or more. I've got

so

> many boxes of supps tucked away it's ridiculous -- extras of what

I'm

> currently using, stuff that didn't work at all, stuff I plan to try

> again later, stuff I'm taking but not n, stuff I bought on a

> crazy whim and aren't sure what to do with.

>

> I've had more than a few moments of thinking, hey, am I making all

> this up? Do I really *need to be taking all this stuff? A few weeks

> not taking supps answered that question. Won't be doing that

again.

>

> Nell

>

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It is insane. However, some of us have very SICK children and they

need that much biomedical support. My cabinets are filled with tons

of stuff. Stuff that didn't help. Stuff they need. Stuff we were

told by MDs to try but haven't had time to yet...

> > > >

> > >

> > > > I can't bring myself to hit send but this is what I want to

send

> > > them. After

> > > > you read it go to the link to see the picture since I can't

post

> > > pictures

> > > > here.

> > > >

> > > > Letter to Dad:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Figure out what this costs me each month mentally,

emotionally and

> > > > financially, then call me crying about your three mortgages.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry we can't come visit. I'm too busy trying to recover my

son

> > > from a

> > > > nightmare called autism which stole my normal healthy boy as

> > > quickly and quietly

> > > > as a thief in the night.

> > > >

> > > > _http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg_

> > > > (http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What do you think? Too harsh or right on the money?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for reading. I need to vent so bad but no one gets

it, but I

> > > know you

> > > > all understand

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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it just looks very complicated

i'm not judging, hope you all don't think that, I just believe it's

doing too much.

I don't want to put my children through that agony..

yet I don't want them to live in the world they're living now either.

hard decisions.

On 7/27/06, Victor & <curlytatertot@...> wrote:

>

> It is insane. However, some of us have very SICK children and they

> need that much biomedical support. My cabinets are filled with tons

> of stuff. Stuff that didn't help. Stuff they need. Stuff we were

> told by MDs to try but haven't had time to yet...

>

>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I can't bring myself to hit send but this is what I want to

> send

> > > > them. After

> > > > > you read it go to the link to see the picture since I can't

> post

> > > > pictures

> > > > > here.

> > > > >

> > > > > Letter to Dad:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Figure out what this costs me each month mentally,

> emotionally and

> > > > > financially, then call me crying about your three mortgages.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry we can't come visit. I'm too busy trying to recover my

> son

> > > > from a

> > > > > nightmare called autism which stole my normal healthy boy as

> > > > quickly and quietly

> > > > > as a thief in the night.

> > > > >

> > > > > _http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg_

> > > > > (http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you think? Too harsh or right on the money?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for reading. I need to vent so bad but no one gets

> it, but I

> > > > know you

> > > > > all understand

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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I am ALWAYS torturing myself with doubts! Thanks for the laugh !

" What if all this is crazy " and yep, every time I test it I find out I am

NOT crazy!

Been reading Sidney Baker's latest autism book . It is really helping me

understand what each supplement actually does.

One helps with the delay between what you hear and when you react for

instance--he explaisn how. It is very difficult to read the technical detail

but really helps.

_____

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Subject: [ ] Re: WAY OT: personal issue but something tells me

you all can relate in some way

>

> I was responding to this link http://members.

<http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg> aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg

>

> thats an insane amount of meds there...

Yes it is. And I'm sure most of us have the same or more. I've got so

many boxes of supps tucked away it's ridiculous -- extras of what I'm

currently using, stuff that didn't work at all, stuff I plan to try

again later, stuff I'm taking but not n, stuff I bought on a

crazy whim and aren't sure what to do with.

I've had more than a few moments of thinking, hey, am I making all

this up? Do I really *need to be taking all this stuff? A few weeks

not taking supps answered that question. Won't be doing that again.

Nell

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> I don't want to put my children through that agony..

My son has been more or less happily taking handfuls of supps for over

three years -- happily because he knows they help him feel better. The

agony is the effect of Hg toxicity, not the treatment.

Is it a giant pain to figure out/organize/follow through on? Yep. But

so worth it.

Nell

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>it just looks very complicated

>i'm not judging, hope you all don't think that, I just believe it's

>doing too much.

>

>I don't want to put my children through that agony..

>yet I don't want them to live in the world they're living now either.

>

>hard decisions.

They are. As a " newbie " to all of this, I at first shared your

thoughts. Everything felt so overwhelming. I think you have to take

things one step at a time. Because my son didn't start off with

severe issues (He wasn't really NT, but manageable until they

escalated due to extreme stress) I am starting to grieve the fact

that I can't just " fix " this quickly and that this is just how it

is. A few pills seemed overwhelming at first. Now he is taking a

handful AM and PM every day without much problem. Currently, I'm

feeling daunted by the idea of going to 3-4 times a day (even those I

can mix in juice) but only a little daunted - I'm almost ready. I

haven't even gotten to the point where I could wrap my head around

giving him shots or waking him up to give meds, or going on a GFCF

diet ...but when it becomes obvious I need to do so, I will - one

step at a time.

Think of it this way. If we had children that had bad hearts (my

friend has one that she has to medicate multiple times a day with

several things starting as a baby) or some other life-threatening

condition, we would give the required medicine in a heartbeat, no

matter the cost.

My husband sometimes looks at me like, " are you just trying whatever

someone suggests again? " (we differ in that I have tried many

different alternative medical approaches and he doesn't believe in

many of them). I explained to him, I'm doing this as scientifically

as I can. Yes, I put him on a large amount of supps very quickly

(since he doesn't seem to fail to tolerate much of anything). But

ALL SUMMER I have been reducing/eliminating one supp a week to see if

he *really* needs it - and each time I see a different negative

effect. Reduce one, auditory processing compromised. Another,

frustration tolerance. Another, energy levels declined. Etc.

So my thought would be, don't take what other people are doing as

pressure that you have to do all of that at once. It's a process, and

it's a very long-term one. Pushing it much faster than you can

tolerate is like trying to take more of a drug than you can tolerate

- it will overwhelm you and set back your progress more than it

helps, IMO. Instead, plan to be in this for the long-haul - do as

much as you can each moment, and let the future come when it does.

Stroyan

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The decision gets much easier as the improvement becomes evident and

as it becomes easier to get the stuff in them.

Anne

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> > > > > > Sorry we can't come visit. I'm too busy trying to

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> > I don't want to put my children through that agony..

While I can most CERTAINLY relate to this feeling, I feel even MORE

strongly that we can't let our twins continue to live with the agony

of being poisoned. Its hard to keep up the schedule of supps, etc but

to think of not doing it is an even worse thought... GL

Meg

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> I was responding to this link http://members.aol.com/ratlenhum/supps.jpg

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> thats an insane amount of meds there...

My son was insanely injured by vaccinations, so yes, the number of

things which were required to recover him was insane, more than ANY

kid should have to go thru.

I have probably used that many supplements with him, but never more

than 10-15 at a time. That way, I can judge what each one does, and I

know when he no longer needs it.

Dana

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If you can get your child to take pills, life becomes infinitely

easier. I got so tired of giving my little guy his " yucky " bites

that I took a #4 capsule, put stuff in it, put honey on it, and told

him to swallow. It worked, and he is now happy as a clam taking his

supps. He can even take big capsules now. This is a kid who had

serious oral aversion issues (virtually non-existent now with

antivirals, chelation, supps, etc.).

Anne

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> > I don't want to put my children through that agony..

>

> My son has been more or less happily taking handfuls of supps for

over

> three years -- happily because he knows they help him feel better.

The

> agony is the effect of Hg toxicity, not the treatment.

>

> Is it a giant pain to figure out/organize/follow through on? Yep.

But

> so worth it.

>

> Nell

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> My husband sometimes looks at me like, " are you just trying whatever

> someone suggests again? " (we differ in that I have tried many

> different alternative medical approaches and he doesn't believe in

> many of them). I explained to him, I'm doing this as scientifically

> as I can.

Right. The way most of us here came to the conclusion that Andy is

right is by reading LOTS of posts from people doing LOTS of different

protocols, and seeing who had improvement with the least risk. My son

was high-functioning enough that his K teacher didn't believe he had

Asperger's, so I did not want to try a treatment that had a chance of

making him worse. People with more severely affected kids want to

treat conservatively because their kids can't tell them what hurts.

Over time you'll see plenty of new people showing up at A-M with kids

in a bad regression thanks to high infrequent doses of a chelator.

You're right to question and not to take anyone's word for anything.

IMO what parents report about the effects of various treatments is the

best info there is. Better than the advice of doctors (when it comes

to chelation and biomed for ASD), much better than what manufacturers

or distributors of products say. The search engine on the home page,

onibasu, is terrific for searching on a particular subject, and the

Andy Index in the files, and the Love Letters, are both good places to

read up.

> But

> ALL SUMMER I have been reducing/eliminating one supp a week to see if

> he *really* needs it - and each time I see a different negative

> effect. Reduce one, auditory processing compromised. Another,

> frustration tolerance. Another, energy levels declined. Etc.

Yes, exactly the process that's necessary. This list is very helpful

because you can watch for other kids similar to yours and try the

stuff that's working for them.

>

> So my thought would be, don't take what other people are doing as

> pressure that you have to do all of that at once. It's a process, and

> it's a very long-term one.

Yep. The mantra is " It's a marathon, not a sprint. " It takes a lot of

getting used to, a lot of getting organized. Baby steps :).

Nell

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