Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Your decription of people with this mentality truly made my skin crawl, Phil! The developmental therapist who " diagnosed " our son was one of those people. At his evaluation, she was smiling the whole time as she was asking my son to participate in task after task that, looking back, she KNEW he would fail at...like advanced pretend play. She was oblivious at how pale in the face I was and that moments before she walked in our door I was a pile of nothing laying on my floor in heartache knowing what she was coming to formerly tell me about my 22 month old. In that hour she was evaluating him she said to me " You know (in a " comforting " voice no less), when he is in first grade and he is flapping in the back of the line...his peers will just shrug their shoulders and say...'that's just Clay' and keep on attending to standing still. " I tried to muster a fake laugh, but think I failed, because all I could think about was " Is she seriously saying this right now? " Even then, at that moment, I knew there was something wrong with *how* our son slipped away AND that it was our duty to reverse this illness and restore him to the healthy boy he was born as and meant to be. I was sick that a " therapist " who works with kids with autism would not have higher aspirations for these kids by first grade! If you are gonna embrace " autistic symptoms " ...stay away from my kid! Come to me when you get diagnosed with cancer and I will verbally remind you of how beautiful all of your symptoms are. And even though Clay will have more biomedical recovery to make when he gets to first grade, he won't be flapping in the back of the line! Him and some other on You Tube advocate doing nothing for autistic children and claim that they feel Autism itself (not autistic individuals but the symptoms of autism) is beautiful. They see beauty in sensory stimming like hand flapping. they feel that a nonverbal child will never have to be dirtied by the world and therefore its beautiful they cant talk. they are very disturbed people for that and other reasons. phil ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Comments interspersed. S S <p>thanks for the shout out Pam! i appreciate it. yes, the guy who made <br> that video and me have had an ongoing battle. His agenda is that <br> parents should do NO interventions and any biomedical interventions <br> are an act of unacceptance and hatred towards their kids. ANY <br> biomedical interventions. Him and some other on You Tube advocate <br> doing nothing for autistic children and claim that they feel Autism <br> itself (not autistic individuals but the symptoms of autism) is <br> beautiful. *Poop smearing is not beautiful, trust me, neither is head-banging. The Son-Rise program of Option Institute teaches that one can love and accept someone as they are while still working for posititve change. They see beauty in sensory stimming like hand flapping. <br> they feel that a nonverbal child will never have to be dirtied by <br> the world and therefore its beautiful they cant talk. they are very <br> disturbed people for that and other reasons. i spend a decent amount <br> of time responding to their comments on my videos and others videos <br> just in case it influences a parent into not intervening. i have <br> been contacted by parents who said they bought into the non-<br> intervention belief until they saw my videos so it does make a <br> difference. <br> He is also infatuated with me and has done two videos on me <br> personally telling my home address and showing photos of my house <br> that he got off of google earth, how much i paid for my house, its <br> square footage, who cosigned...he hunted down some of my <br> groups postings and studied them for inconsistencies and put those <br> in his videos on me....LOL...<wbr>its a soap opera!!! <br> anyways, thanks for the mention Pam and take care everyone!<br> phil <br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hi Phil, I enjoyed the most recent videos of your son. He is so precious and doing so well. How could anyone honestly advocate leaving a child unable to communicate or care for himself? I won't be here forever and I don't want to leave my child at the mercy of others. God blessed me to learn that biomedical intervention could restore my child's health. Why not give her a chance? All the best! Orelindel > > thanks for the shout out Pam! i appreciate it. yes, the guy who made > that video and me have had an ongoing battle. His agenda is that > parents should do NO interventions and any biomedical interventions > are an act of unacceptance and hatred towards their kids. ANY > biomedical interventions. Him and some other on You Tube advocate > doing nothing for autistic children and claim that they feel Autism > itself (not autistic individuals but the symptoms of autism) is > beautiful. They see beauty in sensory stimming like hand flapping. > they feel that a nonverbal child will never have to be dirtied by > the world and therefore its beautiful they cant talk. they are very > disturbed people for that and other reasons. i spend a decent amount > of time responding to their comments on my videos and others videos > just in case it influences a parent into not intervening. i have > been contacted by parents who said they bought into the non- > intervention belief until they saw my videos so it does make a > difference. > He is also infatuated with me and has done two videos on me > personally telling my home address and showing photos of my house > that he got off of google earth, how much i paid for my house, its > square footage, who cosigned...he hunted down some of my > groups postings and studied them for inconsistencies and put those > in his videos on me....LOL...its a soap opera!!! > anyways, thanks for the mention Pam and take care everyone! > phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 A soap opera? He sounds more like a crazed stalker to me, there are laws against stalking. Putting that much effort into finding information so personal could be a sign of a serious mental disturbance. Does he have a kid? I mean, holy crap, if he's so engrossed in digging that deep into your personal business, which is truly none of his, (I mean really, would you go to that length to go after a parent you don't see eye to eye with)? You have to wonder what he's teaching his child. Do you teach your kids to chase down anyone that holds different beliefs than you, at any cost or risk? Everyone is entitled to hold any belief or value they wish, but when you cross the line into someone else's private personal information, well, you've crossed the line into a whole 'nuther realm,....it's creepy. Does he look in your windows too???? jbb > > thanks for the shout out Pam! i appreciate it. yes, the guy who made > that video and me have had an ongoing battle. His agenda is that > parents should do NO interventions and any biomedical interventions > are an act of unacceptance and hatred towards their kids. ANY > biomedical interventions. Him and some other on You Tube advocate > doing nothing for autistic children and claim that they feel Autism > itself (not autistic individuals but the symptoms of autism) is > beautiful. They see beauty in sensory stimming like hand flapping. > they feel that a nonverbal child will never have to be dirtied by > the world and therefore its beautiful they cant talk. they are very > disturbed people for that and other reasons. i spend a decent amount > of time responding to their comments on my videos and others videos > just in case it influences a parent into not intervening. i have > been contacted by parents who said they bought into the non- > intervention belief until they saw my videos so it does make a > difference. > He is also infatuated with me and has done two videos on me > personally telling my home address and showing photos of my house > that he got off of google earth, how much i paid for my house, its > square footage, who cosigned...he hunted down some of my > groups postings and studied them for inconsistencies and put those > in his videos on me....LOL...its a soap opera!!! > anyways, thanks for the mention Pam and take care everyone! > phil > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Look at the behavior: He has gone to great lengths to place information on the net that exposes your home, the place where you feel the safest. This is to make you feel venurable. The intention is to shake your deepest primal need, safety. He also is showing you just how smart he is, how easy it was to get that information, he's showing you how powerful he is. By doing so in a public forum, he is letting the world know, he's smarter than you. Feeling superior gives him the emotional rush of power he needs so much in his own life. People like him tend to be insecure, they feel powerless in their own lives, so they seek to prove they are able to gain the upper hand of someone they disagree with. They must have power somewhere, when they fail in their own lives, attacking someone else helps them to feel as though they are in control of at least something. Depending on just how much he's knows, and how unstable he is, this guy could reek havoc in your life. They tend to hold a grudge, they usually don't just go away on their own, many times they need help returning to reality & getting back on the right side of the law. He needs help setting reasonable boundries, your local law enforcement officials should be able to help him get a better idea of what's reasonable, and what's nuts. I'd have him arrested if he came within 100 yards of myself, my home and my family. This individual is in need of evaluation. jbb > > Phil, Isn't that considered stalking? I would report this individual.....scary......mb > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 > > Your decription of people with this mentality truly made my skin crawl, Phil! The developmental therapist who " diagnosed " our son was one of those people. At his evaluation, she was smiling the whole time as she was asking my son to participate in task after task that, looking back, she KNEW he would fail at...like advanced pretend play. She was oblivious at how pale in the face I was and that moments before she walked in our door I was a pile of nothing laying on my floor in heartache knowing what she was coming to formerly tell me about my 22 month old. In that hour she was evaluating him she said to me " You know (in a " comforting " voice no less), when he is in first grade and he is flapping in the back of the line...his peers will just shrug their shoulders and say...'that's just Clay' and keep on attending to standing still. " I tried to muster a fake laugh, but think I failed, because all I could think about was " Is she seriously saying this right now? " Even then, at > that moment, I knew there was something wrong with *how* our son slipped away AND that it was our duty to reverse this illness and restore him to the healthy boy he was born as and meant to be. I was sick that a " therapist " who works with kids with autism would not have higher aspirations for these kids by first grade! If you are gonna embrace " autistic symptoms " ...stay away from my kid! Come to me when you get diagnosed with cancer and I will verbally remind you of how beautiful all of your symptoms are. And even though Clay will have more biomedical recovery to make when he gets to first grade, he won't be flapping in the back of the line! > > > > Him and some other on You Tube advocate doing nothing for autistic children and claim that they feel Autism itself (not autistic individuals but the symptoms of autism) is beautiful. They see beauty in sensory stimming like hand flapping. they feel that a nonverbal child will never have to be dirtied by the world and therefore its beautiful they cant talk. they are very > disturbed people for that and other reasons. phil > > > Oh my goodness I know who you are talking about. Is this guy tied to Big Pharma or what!?!? I have seen some his videos where he cuts up comments and makes them into FALSE quotes. He is a dangerous individual and we have to keep fighting against him. In some ways I think it fuels him for us to fight but we can't risk him getting to parents before they see the TRUTH. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. > Ask your question on www.Answers. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 <<Oh my goodness I know who you are talking about. Is this guy tied to Big Pharma or what!?!? I have seen some his videos where he cuts up comments and makes them into FALSE quotes. He is a dangerous individual and we have to keep fighting against him. In some ways I think it fuels him for us to fight but we can't risk him getting to parents before they see the TRUTH.>> What about Autism Diva? Before I found these groups, every time I would run a search, that blog would come up on my searches and it makes biomed sound really bad and scary. Who is that? He/she seems very knowledge (and against) and up-to-date on biomedical interventions. I don't understand this. It is a danger that parents looking for help and hope would wind up only reading these dire false comments tha are written as gospel How sad... and how thankful I am to have found all of you. millie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 This blog tries to dispute everything that is said by Autism Diva and her deranged associates. http://hatingautism.blogspot.com/ > > <<Oh my goodness I know who you are talking about. Is this guy tied > to Big Pharma or what!?!? I have seen some his videos where he cuts > up comments and makes them into FALSE quotes. > He is a dangerous individual and we have to keep fighting against > him. In some ways I think it fuels him for us to fight but we can't > risk him getting to parents before they see the TRUTH.>> > > What about Autism Diva? Before I found these groups, every time I would run a search, that blog would come up on my searches and it makes biomed sound really bad and scary. Who is that? He/she seems very knowledge (and against) and up-to-date on biomedical interventions. I don't understand this. > > It is a danger that parents looking for help and hope would wind up only reading these dire false comments tha are written as gospel How sad... and how thankful I am to have found all of you. > > millie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Phil, WELL SAID!!! I couldn't agree with you more!! I especially loved when you said " if you are going to embrace autistic symptoms - then stay away from my kid! " 100% recovery is not only possible - it is probable. I know it is for my son and all of the other children of the parents who are out there working so hard to recover their children!! All the best, Carolyn (Blake's Mom) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Phil, Isn't that considered stalking? I would report this individual.....scary......mb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 he's probably got a bathtub full of mercury and is bathing in it as we speak. theres no getting through to him so i dont try anymore...he sent me more messages today...hes transfixed on me for some reason...i dont mind though. whatever. i honestly think hes just a weird guy, and its a shame because i usually get along with weird people! RE: [ ] beautiful videos Judyblondeblue Phil, Did he say if he had a hairtest done on his son? Did/does he suspect mercury? He may very well be toxic himself. If he did a dangerous protocol which caused his son to get worse, he's probably transferring his anger at those who poisoned his son and/or made his worse to you. S S <p>Hi judy! thanks for your response. you are SO RIGHT about all of <br> this! the video had a metallica tune int he background..<wbr>.real <br> ominous (ohhhh!) and he has sent me messages a few times bragging <br> about how he got the info and all of that! everything you wrote <br> describes him to a T!!! I am amazed at your insight...i just hope it <br> doesnt come from experience. He probably doesnt live anywhere near <br> me though...oh well, if he ever did come to my house to kill me we <br> would probably end up going out for a beer together instead! thats <br> just the kind of guy i am...ive had hour long conversations with <br> people who called the wrong number! thanks for your response and <br> concern. phil<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 If you ignore him, maybe he'll go away... S S <p>he's probably got a bathtub full of mercury and is bathing in it as we speak. theres no getting through to him so i dont try anymore...he sent me more messages today...hes transfixed on me for some reason...i dont mind though. whatever. i honestly think hes just a weird guy, and its a shame because i usually get along with weird people!<br> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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