Re: Hand-flapping a yeast issue or ?

[Guest guest]

Hi G,

I love Greenspan but I think he's missed the boat entirely on the

biomedical causes of autism. So, if he says handflapping is not a

big deal, he means it from a different perspective than ours.

My son's hand flapping comes and goes. I don't see a relationship

to yeast or food. Just excitement.

Anita

>

> Hi,

>

> I seem to have read somewhere that hand-flapping (esp when the

> kid is excited) is a sign of yeast issue - or is my memory wrong?

>

> Could it also be a sign of certain food (casein, phenol, ...)

intolerance?

>

> If so, probiotics & phenol enzymes should help?

>

> An acquaintance quoted Dr Stanley Greenspan's book that

> hand-flapping is not something to be concerned with but I

> noticed during those periods when the flapping shows up

> considerably, the kid is more hyperactive & more fidgety &

> less attentive

>

>

> Thanks for any inputs,

> G

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I have read Greespan's book and I think that we might be quotting he

out of context. What I remember reading is that there are professional

and parents that get caught on " secondary issues " and children get

diagnosed based on these " problems " . What Greenspan seems to think is

that there are " chore issues " , that is, the lack of our kids' ability

to socialize, and communicate. These are the key issues to concentrate

on ... My very NT niece was a hand-flapper when a baby, just pure

excitement. It didnt't mean my niece was on the sprectrum. The

hand-flapping went away. My son used to hand-flapp when he was a baby

too, and it went away as well. He's still on the spectrum though, the

key issues still remain (unfortunately).

In short, I think he talks about hand-flapping as not relevant when

diagnosing. At leat, this is my understanding of it.

Another surprise in his book is that he actually has a chapter (very

last one?) on biomedical and biomedical is always included in their

conference. He hasn't gone as fas as we would like to see, but it

doesn't look like he is turning his back to the biomedical area either.

This is obviously my interpretation on his writings.

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I seem to have read somewhere that hand-flapping (esp when the

> > kid is excited) is a sign of yeast issue - or is my memory wrong?

> >

> > Could it also be a sign of certain food (casein, phenol, ...)

> intolerance?

> >

> > If so, probiotics & phenol enzymes should help?

> >

> > An acquaintance quoted Dr Stanley Greenspan's book that

> > hand-flapping is not something to be concerned with but I

> > noticed during those periods when the flapping shows up

> > considerably, the kid is more hyperactive & more fidgety &

> > less attentive

> >

> >

> > Thanks for any inputs,

> > G

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have Greenspan's new book but haven't finished reading it yet, so

I flipped ahead. I didn't see a whole chapter on biomedical (but

it's late and I'm stunned so it probably is there) but I did see him

mention that regressions might be bacterial, for example. That is

great. I was going more by things he has said about toe-walking for

example, where he states no connection (at least in what I've read)

to what physical problems could account for it.

I reread my post and I do sound too harsh against Greenspan. I

really do love his work and think he offers the best hope for the

most children in regard to non-biomedical approaches. I don't

expect him to cover the biomedical but if he does include it at

conferences I am very, very happy to hear that.

Thanks for adding much-needed nuance to my post :-)

Anita

>

> Hello,

>

> I have read Greespan's book and I think that we might be quotting

he

> out of context. What I remember reading is that there are

professional

> and parents that get caught on " secondary issues " and children get

> diagnosed based on these " problems " . What Greenspan seems to think

is

> that there are " chore issues " , that is, the lack of our kids'

ability

> to socialize, and communicate. These are the key issues to

concentrate

> on ... My very NT niece was a hand-flapper when a baby, just pure

> excitement. It didnt't mean my niece was on the sprectrum. The

> hand-flapping went away. My son used to hand-flapp when he was a

baby

> too, and it went away as well. He's still on the spectrum though,

the

> key issues still remain (unfortunately).

> In short, I think he talks about hand-flapping as not relevant when

> diagnosing. At leat, this is my understanding of it.

>

> Another surprise in his book is that he actually has a chapter

(very

> last one?) on biomedical and biomedical is always included in their

> conference. He hasn't gone as fas as we would like to see, but it

> doesn't look like he is turning his back to the biomedical area

either.

>

> This is obviously my interpretation on his writings.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I seem to have read somewhere that hand-flapping (esp when the

> kid is excited) is a sign of yeast issue - or is my memory wrong?

For my son, it was viral.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > I seem to have read somewhere that hand-flapping (esp when the

> > kid is excited) is a sign of yeast issue - or is my memory wrong?

>

>

> For my son, it was viral.

>

> Dana

i wonder about this too as both my boys do not do it at all but were

and are yeasty and viral treating one for one and other for the other.

ive watched a few video clips and been to outings with school and play

groups and asked my hubbie why he thought our kids dont flap. he said

maybe b/c higher functioning but i dont beleive that as ive seen kids

everywhere on the spec to have this. could there possibly some reason

why some do and some dont? any thoughts worth hearing.

>

[Guest guest]

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>

> Hi,

>

> I seem to have read somewhere that hand-flapping (esp when the

> kid is excited) is a sign of yeast issue - or is my memory wrong?

>

> Could it also be a sign of certain food (casein, phenol, ...)

intolerance?

>

> If so, probiotics & phenol enzymes should help?

>

> An acquaintance quoted Dr Stanley Greenspan's book that

> hand-flapping is not something to be concerned with but I

> noticed during those periods when the flapping shows up

> considerably, the kid is more hyperactive & more fidgety &

> less attentive

>

>

> Thanks for any inputs,

> G

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My son is very high-functioning...actually I was told by one

specialist that he isn't on the autistic spectrum, but has

an " autistic behavior " of hand-flapping that is core to his

diagnosis of PDD-NOS.

Another specialist told me it was a tic and that he has Tourette's.

Sometimes he makes grunting noises and animal sounds while flapping

and stomps one foot behind him hard. Other times he walks on tip-

toes around the room while flapping (usually when excited).

Beth

> > > I seem to have read somewhere that hand-flapping (esp when the

> > > kid is excited) is a sign of yeast issue - or is my memory

wrong?

> >

> >

> > For my son, it was viral.

> >

> > Dana

>

> i wonder about this too as both my boys do not do it at all but

were

> and are yeasty and viral treating one for one and other for the

other.

> ive watched a few video clips and been to outings with school and

play

> groups and asked my hubbie why he thought our kids dont flap. he

said

> maybe b/c higher functioning but i dont beleive that as ive seen

kids

> everywhere on the spec to have this. could there possibly some

reason

> why some do and some dont? any thoughts worth hearing.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> i wonder about this too as both my boys do not do it at all but were

> and are yeasty and viral treating one for one and other for the other.

> ive watched a few video clips and been to outings with school and play

> groups and asked my hubbie why he thought our kids dont flap. he said

> maybe b/c higher functioning but i dont beleive that as ive seen kids

> everywhere on the spec to have this. could there possibly some reason

> why some do and some dont? any thoughts worth hearing.

Well, my son's symptoms would change over time. For example, at

first, yeast overgrowth would cause hyper and giggling. Later on,

yeast overgrowth would cause visual stims and aggression. Same for me

personally, my symptoms of certain issues have changed over time.

Maybe for your child, viruses are causing one set of symptoms [for

example, OCD] and not another set of symptoms [flapping].

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Another specialist told me it was a tic and that he has Tourette's.

> Sometimes he makes grunting noises and animal sounds while flapping

> and stomps one foot behind him hard. Other times he walks on tip-

> toes around the room while flapping (usually when excited).

Every single one of these things meant yeast overgrowth for my kids.

Dana

[Guest guest]

It does sound like yeast and he also has fungus frequently between his

fingers and toes and athlete's foot problems. However, he isn't

giggly or goofy generally and not when he is flapping. He is usually

excited about something he's just seen and also flaps from thoughts

he's having that excite him in some way and he likes to be left alone

to flap and think about his thoughts (usually violence he's seen on tv

I'm afraid to admit). --

I have been treating for yeast for approximately 4 months. I have been

giving 2 Candex first thing in the morning and at bedtime. I also

give him 4 drops of GSE in water sometime during the day. Is this not

adequate protocol to kill yeast? Any ideas on what else to do do? He

used to get a big red ring around bottom but hasn't complained about

that in several months. However, I don't see any change in flapping

behavior when he has ring and when he doesn't.

Thanks, Beth

- In , " danasview " <danasview@...> wrote:

>

>

> > Another specialist told me it was a tic and that he has

Tourette's.

> > Sometimes he makes grunting noises and animal sounds while

flapping

> > and stomps one foot behind him hard. Other times he walks on tip-

> > toes around the room while flapping (usually when excited).

>

>

> Every single one of these things meant yeast overgrowth for my kids.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It does sound like yeast and he also has fungus frequently between his

> fingers and toes and athlete's foot problems. However, he isn't

> giggly or goofy generally and not when he is flapping.

Not all kids are giggly with yeast.

When *I* get yeast, I have a massive headache and the absolute LAST

thing I want to do is giggle.

For my son, flapping was also a sign of B vitamin deficiency and virus

issues.

> I have been treating for yeast for approximately 4 months. I have been

> giving 2 Candex first thing in the morning and at bedtime. I also

> give him 4 drops of GSE in water sometime during the day. Is this not

> adequate protocol to kill yeast?

Depends on what other protocols you are doing. For example, B

vitamins, anti-virals, and chelation all required much more than 4

drops of GSE for my kids.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> When *I* get yeast, I have a massive headache and the absolute LAST

> thing I want to do is giggle.

>

>

> Dana

>

This made me laugh. Yep. I'm seeing a pattern here where I get easily

irritated, my sense

of humor is MIA, and I bristle at being touched...yeast. I treat with GSE + NF

and feel

brighter. We are also drinking homemade kefir everyday and I think that is

helping a lot.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

>

> When *I* get yeast, I have a massive headache and the absolute LAST

> thing I want to do is giggle.

Same here. I want to snarl at anyone within 15 feet of me.

Nell