Re: Less expensive alternative to removing amalgams

July 26, 2006

Unfortunatly no. The mercury doesn't just get out in vapor. Your teeth

are alive and porous, so fluid circulates through them from your body

providing nutrients to the teeth. The only way to remove or reduce

exposure it remove the fillings or teeth.

The cheapest way I found was a second mortgage! So for the next

umpteen years I will pay the same mortgage payment as before except I

have shiny white teeth now. Beleive me, it is worth every penny. I

can't advocate the changes in your body enough.

I had 14 amalgams, so I can only imagine how ill you feel at times.

I always tell people, yes it is expensive, but most people spend more

on a new car, a living room set, a vacation, cable tv, cell phone

bills. etc. Cut out whatever you can wherever you can so that you can

afford it. Even if it means driving a used paid for car, or taking the

bus and having one car, or getting rid of extras.

You can take personal loans, refinance houses, second mortgages, etc.

I know it is difficult to see it happening, but take the upcomming tax

return and utilize it! With 10 amalgams it should costs about $5,000

by a properly trained dentist.

The other option is to have a few done every couple of months. Still

costs the same though.

>

> I have a mouth full of amalgams (10+). I cannot afford to get them

> removed now and certaintly cannot get them removed all at once. Is

> anyone aware of a procedure or material that can " seal " them so that

> less mercury is released for the time being? I know it would be a

> short term, temporary

> fix.

> Thanks,

>

July 26, 2006

We found that Delta dental insurance covered a great deal of it and then we

used the pre-pay Medical savings plan so it was " pretax dollars " . I believe

it ended up being 1500 out of pocket for me from the prepay, so really more

like 1100-- (16 amalgams--and it only took an hour for two sessions) and

1000 for my husband --so more like 700--out of pocket. A ton of money, but

not nearly as much as I had expected. We heard vastly different quotes from

different IOMT dentists. I know one woman who said her total was only $400

out of pocket because her dentist did the insurance correctly and her

situation warranted it. I've also heard of people paying 10K. This is NOT

necessary or else our dentist is very very reasonable. And he used the

vacuum, oxygen etc. And is in the Bay Area.

Anyhow had we not had insurance help, I believe it would have been about

$3000 for me to get all the amalgams out. Again, if you have that medical

savings acct thing, you can pay for it out of a pretax Medical Savings

Account which gives you about a 30% discount depending on your bracket. IT's

bogus though you have to make enough money to afford to set it aside. We're

going through our down payment money but we don't care because we're so old

we don't want our son to recover from autism only to have to take care of

two Alzheimers parents!

If your amalgams need replacing, the insurance may cover it anyhow, because

they would cover replacing it with more mercury too. Very big amalgams " grow

up to be crowns " as I've heard they say in dentist school.

After getting HALF of my amalgams out I found that I could function without

sleep again, just like I used to in my twenties--still din't like it, but

could function. SInce my Rhogham shot I've been absolutely USELESS without

sleep. So this is a big change. This was not a placebo effect because I did

not expect any change for months and certainly not until I got all 16 out.

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Subject: [ ] Re: Less expensive alternative to removing

amalgams

Unfortunatly no. The mercury doesn't just get out in vapor. Your teeth

are alive and porous, so fluid circulates through them from your body

providing nutrients to the teeth. The only way to remove or reduce

exposure it remove the fillings or teeth.

The cheapest way I found was a second mortgage! So for the next

umpteen years I will pay the same mortgage payment as before except I

have shiny white teeth now. Beleive me, it is worth every penny. I

can't advocate the changes in your body enough.

I had 14 amalgams, so I can only imagine how ill you feel at times.

I always tell people, yes it is expensive, but most people spend more

on a new car, a living room set, a vacation, cable tv, cell phone

bills. etc. Cut out whatever you can wherever you can so that you can

afford it. Even if it means driving a used paid for car, or taking the

bus and having one car, or getting rid of extras.

You can take personal loans, refinance houses, second mortgages, etc.

I know it is difficult to see it happening, but take the upcomming tax

return and utilize it! With 10 amalgams it should costs about $5,000

by a properly trained dentist.

The other option is to have a few done every couple of months. Still

costs the same though.

>

> I have a mouth full of amalgams (10+). I cannot afford to get them

> removed now and certaintly cannot get them removed all at once. Is

> anyone aware of a procedure or material that can " seal " them so that

> less mercury is released for the time being? I know it would be a

> short term, temporary

> fix.

> Thanks,

>

July 26, 2006

,

Consider having them done one at a time as you are able to afford it if you

don't have major symptoms. Have the dentist do amalgameter readings and remove

the one with the highest negative reading first and do new readings each time

since they'll change. If you have friends or relatives who typically give you

gifts or ask what you want for birthday or holidays, say you want to have dental

work done. My 17 fillings couldn't wait so I called and arranged to have my

credit card limit raised, deferred my student loan, and worked out a payment

plan with the dentist.

S S

I have a mouth full of amalgams (10+). I cannot afford to get

them

removed now and certaintly cannot get them removed all at once. Is

anyone aware of a procedure or material that can " seal " them so that

less mercury is released for the time being? I know it would be a

short term, temporary

fix.

Thanks,

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July 28, 2006

>

> I have a mouth full of amalgams (10+). I cannot afford to get them

> removed now and certaintly cannot get them removed all at once. Is

> anyone aware of a procedure or material that can " seal " them so that

> less mercury is released for the time being?

I am having mine removed by a regular dentist, without all the

precautions etc. I take lots of selenium and vitamin C and other

antioxidants before and after each appt. I have had half of them

removed so far, and I can already notice a nice difference.

Total cost for all 8 amalgams removed is $950.

Dana

July 28, 2006

I had started taking ALA along with my son, part solidarity, part

curiosity, but after three days realized that although he has no

fillings, I DO! In response to the recommendations I received here,

I am not taking the ALA again until I get the fillings out. But what

do you replace them with? That white porcelin stuff? Anybody know

what's in that?

> >

> > I have a mouth full of amalgams (10+). I cannot afford to get

them

> > removed now and certaintly cannot get them removed all at once.

Is

> > anyone aware of a procedure or material that can " seal " them so

that

> > less mercury is released for the time being?

>

> I am having mine removed by a regular dentist, without all the

> precautions etc. I take lots of selenium and vitamin C and other

> antioxidants before and after each appt. I have had half of them

> removed so far, and I can already notice a nice difference.

>

> Total cost for all 8 amalgams removed is $950.

>

> Dana

>

July 28, 2006

I don't know off-hand what is in the composite, but I'm sure

you can find out easily. Most any biological dentist will

test you to find out if you are sensitive to materials before

placing them in your teeth.

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> > >

> > > I have a mouth full of amalgams (10+). I cannot afford to get

> them

> > > removed now and certaintly cannot get them removed all at once.

> Is

> > > anyone aware of a procedure or material that can " seal " them so

> that

> > > less mercury is released for the time being?

> >

> > I am having mine removed by a regular dentist, without all the

> > precautions etc. I take lots of selenium and vitamin C and other

> > antioxidants before and after each appt. I have had half of them

> > removed so far, and I can already notice a nice difference.

> >

> > Total cost for all 8 amalgams removed is $950.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

July 28, 2006

Be very careful about letting a dentist who doesn't use proper

protocol/precautions do any work on you. Glad you're noticing a nice

difference.

S S

I am having mine removed by a regular dentist, without all the

precautions etc. I take lots of selenium and vitamin C and other

antioxidants before and after each appt. I have had half of them

removed so far, and I can already notice a nice difference.

Total cost for all 8 amalgams removed is $950.

Dana

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July 29, 2006

At Fri 07/28, danasview < danasview@... > wrote:

>I am having mine removed by a regular dentist, without all the

>precautions etc.

That's how I did it too, couldn't afford the pricier methods.

>I take lots of selenium and vitamin C and other antioxidants before

>and after each appt.

I got sick after the first appt in which 3 were replaced in one appt.

Starting taking milk thistle several times a day and it made me feel

good again. Used milk thistle after the 2d appt in which 2 were

replaced and again after my final appt where one of my crowns were

removed, some amalgam under that drilled out and the crown reattached.

Since then I've been giving my son milk thistle every day and it

seems to help his ticcing.

Marty

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July 29, 2006

> I had started taking ALA along with my son, part solidarity, part

> curiosity, but after three days realized that although he has no

> fillings, I DO! In response to the recommendations I received here,

> I am not taking the ALA again until I get the fillings out. But what

> do you replace them with? That white porcelin stuff? Anybody know

> what's in that?

I am replacing mine with composite, the " white stuff " . I don't know

what is in it, but I decided it was my best option.

Dana

July 29, 2006

> Be very careful about letting a dentist who doesn't use proper

protocol/precautions do any work on you. Glad you're noticing a nice

difference.

Yep, very careful. This was the only real choice I had, so I decided

that it was better than the status quo. I can tell when I need to

increase my own supplements, so that helps.

Dana

July 29, 2006

> I got sick after the first appt in which 3 were replaced in one appt.

> Starting taking milk thistle several times a day and it made me feel

> good again. Used milk thistle after the 2d appt in which 2 were

> replaced and again after my final appt where one of my crowns were

> removed, some amalgam under that drilled out and the crown reattached.

I forgot to mention that! I am also taking milk thistle daily, which

I increase during the time right before and after the amalgam removal.

Dana

July 29, 2006

At Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:15 am " danasview " danasview@... danasview wrote:

>I am replacing mine with composite, the " white stuff " . I don't know

>what is in it, but I decided it was my best option.

All this talk has gotten me curious so I looked it up, glad I did :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental_fillings

First here's an excerpt from the section on composite (white) fillings:

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fillings are a mixture of powdered

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass>glass and

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic>plastic resin, and can be made

to resemble the appearance of the natural tooth. They are strong and

durable and cosmetically superior to silver or dark grey colored

amalgam fillings. Composite resin fillings are usually more expensive

than silver amalgam fillings. Bis-GMA based materials contain

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A>Bisphenol A a known

endocrine disrupter chemical. PEX based materials do not.

______________________________________

I wonder how reliable that info is? I'm going to call my dentist on

Monday and ask which type of composite they've been using.

Excerpting from the amalgam (silver) fillings section:

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<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalgam>Amalgam fillings are an

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alloy>alloy of

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28element%29>mercury (from 43%

to 54%) along with <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver>silver,

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin>tin,

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc>zinc and

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper>copper

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I didn't know they also contained tin, zinc, and copper. At least

there's no lead or aluminum.

Yikes.

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At 10:12 AM 7/29/2006, you wrote:

>I am replacing mine with composite, the " white stuff " . I don't know

>what is in it, but I decided it was my best option.

Dana (or anyone),

Have you researched or heard about how well composites last if they

are large? I have a lot of fillings that are taking up much of the

tooth. I really don't want a mouth full of crowns...my (traditional)

dentist thinks composites wouldn't hold up well enough.

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July 30, 2006

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They break up and fall apart over several years if you have a habit

of grinding your teeth or eating ice cubes! I lost 3 teath because

of it. I had to go with gold.

- In , Stroyan <lstroyan@...>

wrote:

>

> At 10:12 AM 7/29/2006, you wrote:

> >I am replacing mine with composite, the " white stuff " . I don't

know

> >what is in it, but I decided it was my best option.

>

> Dana (or anyone),

>

> Have you researched or heard about how well composites last if

they

> are large? I have a lot of fillings that are taking up much of

the

> tooth. I really don't want a mouth full of crowns...my

(traditional)

> dentist thinks composites wouldn't hold up well enough.

>

> Stroyan

> www.empathic-discipline.com

> Click here to email me directly:

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>

July 30, 2006

At 06:41 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote:

>They break up and fall apart over several years if you have a habit

>of grinding your teeth or eating ice cubes! I lost 3 teath because

>of it. I had to go with gold.

Oh, shoot. What if I care for them nicely...won't I still have

breakage due to the odd nut or seed or whatever?

So does gold have any disadvantages other than cost? Don't they have

to mix it with other metals? What about true silver fillings, do those exist?

Stroyan

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July 31, 2006

> Dana (or anyone),

> Have you researched or heard about how well composites last if they

> are large? I have a lot of fillings that are taking up much of the

> tooth. I really don't want a mouth full of crowns...my (traditional)

> dentist thinks composites wouldn't hold up well enough.

I can offer you this anecdotal tale.

I have one rear molar that was cracked, it was one of the largest

cracks my [traditional] dentist had ever seen. He even stopped

removing the amalgam long enough to give me a mirror and show it to

me. It was large enough that you could put a pencil tip thru it.

He told me that usually he advises patients with that large of a crack

to have a crown, but for me, because I don't have a lot of money, he

would try filling the crack with extra composite and see if that works.

It has been since last March, about 4-5 months, and no problems yet.

I do try to be nice to that side of my mouth, don't chew hard things etc.

Dana

July 31, 2006

> He told me that usually he advises patients with that large of a crack

> to have a crown, but for me, because I don't have a lot of money, he

> would try filling the crack with extra composite and see if that works.

>

I can add my anecdotal tale too. Same thing here, big cracks in filled

molars, dentist said composite may not work. I told him go for it

anyway. The tooth was sensitive for a few months but now it's been

over two years and I've had no problems with it. I'm not a big ice

chewer these days but I don't baby it.

Nell

July 31, 2006

,

There are no true silver fillings, it would be too soft, and many

dentist do use gold that is mixed with other metals. You can ask

about an onlay or inlay, these are made of porcelain in a lab and

then bonded onto the molar, they are durable and the alternative to

large composites. I personally had 11 molars redone with composite,

three very large ones too. If you have them checked regularly at 6

months visits you can keep a watch for cracking. Some of that may

have to do with the dentist installing them and how they were mixed

as it is technique sensitive thing requiring a lot of training. Some

dentist are trained well and are good at this. You can always get a

metal free crown bonded on top or an onlay if the composite doesn't

hold. Some of the dentist I have spoke too say that the composite

when placed right is more durable than amalgam. It causes less

damage to the tooth, amalgams cause the cracking.

> >They break up and fall apart over several years if you have a

habit

> >of grinding your teeth or eating ice cubes! I lost 3 teath because

> >of it. I had to go with gold.

>

> Oh, shoot. What if I care for them nicely...won't I still have

> breakage due to the odd nut or seed or whatever?

>

> So does gold have any disadvantages other than cost? Don't they

have

> to mix it with other metals? What about true silver fillings, do

those exist?

>

> Stroyan

> www.empathic-discipline.com

> Click here to email me directly:

> <mailto:lstroyan@...>lstroyan@...

>

July 31, 2006