Re: Copper still a problem - long

[Guest guest]

I read somewhere that carnosine was a copper chelator. I hope someone else can

either confirm or deny that.

We give my son carnosine since I read it was good for receptive language. We

have been giving him 400 mg am and pm, 800 mg per day. I think it has been good

for him. He's been taking it since March.

His copper was elevated, but more recently using minerals that taste good if

you need them, bad if you don't, it seemed his copper was low now. No hard

data, but there's my input on your copper situation, for what its worth.. LOL

weinert56 <weinert@...> wrote:

Hi,

My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high end of

ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

meal. She also takes 15 mg of zinc at bedtime. She has done this for

about 18 months. She has taken molybdenum as high as 1mg/meal, but I

was reluctant to keep that up for too long because her hair test

molybdenum got up into the red. She can't tolerate soy or egg, so I

have not been giving her phosphatidylcholine.

She has been chelating with 17 mg DMSA and 10 mg of ALA on a 9

times/day, 63 hour cycle every 2 weeks. This seems to be well within

Andy's criteria for how frequently it is safe to chelate with ALA when

you have high copper. (i.e., 1 day on for every 3 days off).

She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal fatigue and

her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so she is

now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

She's taking 4 mg of vit C/day and iron since her ferritin was 11.

I've tested our water, checked all her supplements for any copper,

etc. and found none.

Can anyone suggest what else I can do? Is it safe to go even higher

with zinc supplements? (i.e., higher than the standard weight +

20mg.) I am reluctant to give up ALA chelation, both because I tried

doing just DMSA before and it didn't seem to help her copper much and

because she has a lot more side effects on just DMSA. Would giving a

somewhat lower dose of ALA still be effective?

She's done 39 rounds. If they are helping her, the effects are very

subtle and hard to distinguish from maturation. (She's HFA, very high

functioning and verbally and artistically gifted, but has auditory and

visual processing problems, sensory integration problems, motor

planning problems, fine motor problems, etc.) I could never see any

improvements from any of the anti-copper supplements in the past,

although I do think that she got somewhat more emotional for the first

couple of days she was on them (which might indicate a copper dump).

The high copper on the hair test was a complete surprise, since I

don't notice any symptoms that correlate with higher copper.

She's mercury, lead and copper poisoned according to her hair tests.

She seems to produce plenty of bile, so I don't believe she has a bile

duct problem.

I can post her most recent hair test if anyone thinks it would be useful.

Thanks,

W. (I am also mercury and copper poisoned and feel chelation is

helping me a lot, although my copper has crept up to 140, too.)

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> My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high end of

> ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

> She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal fatigue and

> her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so she is

> now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

More adrenal info here

http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

>>Is it safe to go even higher

> with zinc supplements? (i.e., higher than the standard weight +

> 20mg.)

I would not go higher than weight+20, but that is 100mg for your child.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> I read somewhere that carnosine was a copper chelator. I hope

someone else can either confirm or deny that.

Carnosine increased my son's copper level, I had to give it with zinc.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high end of

> > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

>

>

> You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the answer.

> > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal fatigue and

> > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so she is

> > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

>

> More adrenal info here

>

> http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable for a

mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because of the

mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your experience

is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son was

on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I am

going to have to think about that some more.

I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not seem

to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

daughter's RBC copper.

Thanks,

W.

[Guest guest]

, you posted:

" I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor ... The book has a long list of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine "

I'm interested in learning more about when carnosine is not advisable. We

added it to my son's protocol and left it in. We think it is a good one, but

I'm always open to learning more.

When I googled " carnosine copper " , I found documents that indicated it was a

chelator, but to my dismay the documents claimed that not only copper but also

zinc was neurotoxic. Of course, we supplement zinc. I quit reading and went to

bed..

weinert56 <weinert@...> wrote:

> > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high end of

> > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

>

>

> You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the answer.

> > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal fatigue and

> > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so she is

> > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

>

> More adrenal info here

>

> http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable for a

mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because of the

mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your experience

is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son was

on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I am

going to have to think about that some more.

I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not seem

to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

daughter's RBC copper.

Thanks,

W.

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[Guest guest]

> I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

> it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your experience

> is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son was

> on carnosine or just initially?

The entire time.

> I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not seem

> to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

> somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

> daughter's RBC copper.

If her hair copper is high, it would appear that the zinc is helping

her dump it. So yes, might not be something to really worry about.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Why is zinc a neurotoxic? Is carnosine the same as carnitine? Thanks

Jean

a b <anothersillyuserid@...> wrote:

, you posted:

" I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor ... The book has a long list of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine "

I'm interested in learning more about when carnosine is not advisable. We added

it to my son's protocol and left it in. We think it is a good one, but I'm

always open to learning more.

When I googled " carnosine copper " , I found documents that indicated it was a

chelator, but to my dismay the documents claimed that not only copper but also

zinc was neurotoxic. Of course, we supplement zinc. I quit reading and went to

bed..

weinert56 wrote:

> > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high end of

> > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

>

>

> You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the answer.

> > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal fatigue and

> > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so she is

> > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

>

> More adrenal info here

>

> http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable for a

mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because of the

mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your experience

is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son was

on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I am

going to have to think about that some more.

I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not seem

to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

daughter's RBC copper.

Thanks,

W.

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[Guest guest]

Don't know for sure that zinc is a neurotoxin, just read it. No carnosine is not

the same as Acetyl carnitine or carnitine. From what I have read carnosine

increases receptive speech (what you hear) does not increase expressive speech

and should be used carefully with any kid who tends toward OCD issues. It is

said to be most helpful for kids with seizures. You can read the archives, like

I did and find out if it is something you would like to try.

Re: [ ] Re: Copper still a problem - long

Why is zinc a neurotoxic? Is carnosine the same as carnitine? Thanks

Jean

a b <anothersillyuserid@...> wrote:

, you posted:

" I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor ... The book has a long list

of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine "

I'm interested in learning more about when carnosine is not advisable. We

added it to my son's protocol and left it in. We think it is a good one, but I'm

always open to learning more.

When I googled " carnosine copper " , I found documents that indicated it was a

chelator, but to my dismay the documents claimed that not only copper but also

zinc was neurotoxic. Of course, we supplement zinc. I quit reading and went to

bed..

weinert56 wrote:

> > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high end of

> > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

>

>

> You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the answer.

> > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal fatigue and

> > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so she is

> > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

>

> More adrenal info here

>

> http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable for a

mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because of the

mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your experience

is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son was

on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I am

going to have to think about that some more.

I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not seem

to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

daughter's RBC copper.

Thanks,

W.

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[Guest guest]

>>Is carnosine the same as carnitine? Thanks

No, they are two different amino acids.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, I just found this and now I wonder if I should d/c carnosine...

http://www.geocities.com/fishstep/carnosine.html

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Don't know for sure that zinc is a neurotoxin, just read it. No

carnosine is not the same as Acetyl carnitine or carnitine. From what I have

read carnosine increases receptive speech (what you hear) does not increase

expressive speech and should be used carefully with any kid who tends toward OCD

issues. It is said to be most helpful for kids with seizures. You can read the

archives, like I did and find out if it is something you would like to try.

Re: [ ] Re: Copper still a problem - long

Why is zinc a neurotoxic? Is carnosine the same as carnitine? Thanks

Jean

a b <anothersillyuserid@...> wrote:

, you posted:

" I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor ... The book has a long list of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine "

I'm interested in learning more about when carnosine is not advisable. We added

it to my son's protocol and left it in. We think it is a good one, but I'm

always open to learning more.

When I googled " carnosine copper " , I found documents that indicated it was a

chelator, but to my dismay the documents claimed that not only copper but also

zinc was neurotoxic. Of course, we supplement zinc. I quit reading and went to

bed..

weinert56 wrote:

> > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high end of

> > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

>

>

> You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the answer.

> > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal fatigue and

> > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so she is

> > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

>

> More adrenal info here

>

> http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable for a

mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because of the

mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine and

it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your experience

is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son was

on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I am

going to have to think about that some more.

I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not seem

to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

daughter's RBC copper.

Thanks,

W.

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[Guest guest]

What is giving you cause for concern?

Anne

> > > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high

end of

> > > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

> >

> >

> > You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

>

> Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

>

> She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

> molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

> meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

>

> This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the

answer.

>

> > > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal

fatigue and

> > > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so

she is

> > > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

> >

> > More adrenal info here

> >

> > http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

>

> Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable for a

> mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because of

the

> mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

>

> I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine

and

> it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your

experience

> is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son

was

> on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

> indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I am

> going to have to think about that some more.

>

> I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not

seem

> to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

> somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

> daughter's RBC copper.

>

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

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[Guest guest]

read to the bottom of the information of the link I just posted, and you will

find this:

In summary, giving carnosine to the average autistic will at first cause

perceived improvement - probably due to the FIGlu-push effect. After some

weeks, taurine loss, copper accumulation, magnesium loss, etc. can,

unfortunately, reverse the trend and may leave you with a worsenedcondition to

deal with.

Jon B. Pangborn, Ph.D. Fellow, American Institute of Chemists

I am supplementing taurine and magnesium, but I just wonder how I know when a

particular supplement is " enough " or even when continuing it is harmful. I

don't know if I should continue the carnosine. (and, really, I'm anxious to

stop everything, but I haven't chelated yet. I'm trying to get everything on

board to start oral dmsa)

anneecbrynn <anneecbrynn@...> wrote:

What is giving you cause for concern?

Anne

> > > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high

end of

> > > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

> >

> >

> > You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

>

> Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

>

> She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

> molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

> meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

>

> This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the

answer.

>

> > > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal

fatigue and

> > > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so

she is

> > > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

> >

> > More adrenal info here

> >

> > http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

>

> Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable for a

> mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because of

the

> mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

>

> I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine

and

> it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your

experience

> is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son

was

> on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

> indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I am

> going to have to think about that some more.

>

> I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not

seem

> to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

> somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

> daughter's RBC copper.

>

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

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[Guest guest]

I read that piece by Pangborn also. I don't know what to think. If it helps,

Andy is pro carnosine. But this statement by Pangborn was one of the reasons we

never tried carnosine.

I wish there was an answer to how do you know when a particular supplement you

are giving is enough of that supplement. The only way, many times,

unfortunately, is through experimentation.

Re: [ ] Re: Copper still a problem - long

read to the bottom of the information of the link I just posted, and you will

find this:

In summary, giving carnosine to the average autistic will at first cause

perceived improvement - probably due to the FIGlu-push effect. After some weeks,

taurine loss, copper accumulation, magnesium loss, etc. can, unfortunately,

reverse the trend and may leave you with a worsenedcondition to deal with.

Jon B. Pangborn, Ph.D. Fellow, American Institute of Chemists

I am supplementing taurine and magnesium, but I just wonder how I know when a

particular supplement is " enough " or even when continuing it is harmful. I don't

know if I should continue the carnosine. (and, really, I'm anxious to stop

everything, but I haven't chelated yet. I'm trying to get everything on board to

start oral dmsa)

anneecbrynn <anneecbrynn@...> wrote:

What is giving you cause for concern?

Anne

> > > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720 (high

end of

> > > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

> >

> >

> > You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

>

> Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

>

> She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

> molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with each

> meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

>

> This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the

answer.

>

> > > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal

fatigue and

> > > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation, so

she is

> > > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

> >

> > More adrenal info here

> >

> > http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

>

> Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable for a

> mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because of

the

> mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

>

> I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about carnosine

and

> it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your

experience

> is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your son

was

> on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

> indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I am

> going to have to think about that some more.

>

> I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does not

seem

> to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or is

> somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check my

> daughter's RBC copper.

>

> Thanks,

>

> W.

>

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Too much of anything is problematic (even water). Zinc is an essential element.

Some types of zinc are more useful than others.

S S

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> Some types of zinc are more useful than others.

That reminds me. Does anyone think that any particular kind of zinc

is most useful for reducing copper? We're using picolinate with meals

(we have low stomach acid) and citrate away from meals.

I thought I read somewhere that the monomethionine form (optizinc) was

useful for copper. I don't think it was from a source that I thought

was reliable, though.

Thanks,

W.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for clarifying, and Yikes! I think I knew once, but what is

FIGlu?

Anne

> > > > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720

(high

> end of

> > > > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

> > >

> > >

> > > You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

> >

> > Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

> >

> > She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

> > molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with

each

> > meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

> >

> > This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the

> answer.

> >

> > > > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal

> fatigue and

> > > > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation,

so

> she is

> > > > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

> > >

> > > More adrenal info here

> > >

> > > http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

> >

> > Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable

for a

> > mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because

of

> the

> > mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

> >

> > I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about

carnosine

> and

> > it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your

> experience

> > is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your

son

> was

> > on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

> > indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I

am

> > going to have to think about that some more.

> >

> > I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does

not

> seem

> > to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or

is

> > somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check

my

> > daughter's RBC copper.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > W.

> >

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FIGIu is Formiminoglutamic Acid

Labs for my son from Great Smokies (metabolic analysis profile) indicated his

FIGIu was elevated. The narrative indicated that he needed folic acid.

I have a headache already...

anneecbrynn <anneecbrynn@...> wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, and Yikes! I think I knew once, but what is

FIGlu?

Anne

> > > > My daughter's hair copper level has gone back up to 720

(high

> end of

> > > > ref range is 35). She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc,

> > >

> > >

> > > You can increase this gradually, up to 100mg total per day.

> >

> > Perhaps my message was confusing. It said:

> >

> > She is 84 lbs and takes 30 mg of zinc, 500 mcg of

> > molybdenum, milk thistle, 500mg taurine and 500mg glycine with

each

> > meal. She also takes 15 of zinc at bedtime.

> >

> > This totals 105mg/day. So, it sounds like more zinc is not the

> answer.

> >

> > > > She did a saliva adrenal stess test, which showed adrenal

> fatigue and

> > > > her blood tests showed a need for thyroid supplementation,

so

> she is

> > > > now on Isocort and Armour, in seemingly adequate amounts.

> > >

> > > More adrenal info here

> > >

> > > http://www.drrind.com/adrensupport.asp

> >

> > Thanks. I think she's on everything listed that is advisable

for a

> > mercury poisoned 9 year old. (I.e. I wouldn't use MSM because

of

> the

> > mercury and no pregnenolone or DHEA because of her age.)

> >

> > I read in the Baker Autism biomed book last night about

carnosine

> and

> > it stronly claims carnosine is a copper chealtor, so your

> experience

> > is interesting. Did you have to give zinc the whole time your

son

> was

> > on carnosine or just initially? The book has a long list of

> > indications of when it is not advisable to use carnosine, so I

am

> > going to have to think about that some more.

> >

> > I vacillate on this whole topic. Since the high copper does

not

> seem

> > to cause any symptoms, I wonder if it in some hair product or

is

> > somehow purely topical. Maybe the next step should be to check

my

> > daughter's RBC copper.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > W.

> >

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In a message dated 24/09/2006 06:27:50 GMT Daylight Time,

anneecbrynn@... writes:

Thanks for clarifying, and Yikes! I think I knew once, but what is

FIGlu?

Formiminoglutamate

Mandi in UK