Re: Was: Aluminum Now: ALA versus DMSA

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One of them many doctors I go to suggested ALA

but he had me taking 400 mg twice a day. I had a

severe burning rash and when I stopped taking it

ALA went away. Now I'm afraid of it. Anyway,

isn't there a fear that ALA moves the mercury or

lead through the BBB. From what I've read it is

suggested after you have done many rounds of DMSA

so body burden of mercury is very low so if ALA

is taken, then there isn't that much mercury to

accidentally be taken up by ALA and deposited

into head. However I notice many on this board

seem to like ALA and seem anxious to get off of

DMSA and get onto or use ALA alone. Why do

people seem to prefer ALA to DMSA?

--- danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>

> > Can I treat my son with ALA without having

> done DMSA?

>

>

> I chelated all four of my kids with ALA only,

> never used DMSA.

>

>

> > Also I keep hearing about a " every 4 hour "

> schedule. That will be

> > close to impossible once school starts. And

> do you wake them at

> > night also? Any time my son doesn't get a

> full night's sleep all of

> > his anger issues, etc come back - I think

> perhaps because it's so

> > hard on his adrenals? - I'd rather not

> disrupt his sleep.

>

>

> I gave my kids ALA 3x per day. Not all kids

> will tolerate this

> schedule, but fortunately mine did.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

>

>

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It depends what you are trying to chelate.

The recomendation at least for poeple who had amalgams removed is to

wait three months before using ALA. You can use dmsa four days after

removal. Because the removal is considered new exposure and your

body is trying to dump a lot of mercury at once, so you do not want

to carry any into the brain. Dmsa would remove the freed up stuff.

At some point you add the ala to start to clear the brain of it.

Ala should not move lead into the brain. ALA has a low affinity for

most other metals like lead. DMSA is good at getting lead, and does

not seem to drag it into the BBB.

The dose you were given is scary. No one should ever take that high

an amount, and you probably still had fillings when they gave it to

you. ALA is used as an antioxidant generally, and really is safe if

you have no fillings and use a low, frequent dose.

We are using dmsa right now for my daughter who had her last filling

removed last week. She got sick following the removal and the after

the four days we started dmsa to catch the freed up mercury. She

felt better and it has helped. We have to wait to add ALA because it

is too soon. If your removal is more than three months ago, you do

not need to wait. You can use them both at the same time.

My son we started on both dmsa/ala at the same time and he is doing

great.

Some may prefer the ala because a prescription is not needed, or

because it is cheaper and it means they are on the road to clearing

the brain, and for autistic kids this can be huge!

Also, some are apprehensive to use dmsa or stay on it for fear of

side effects. The key is to educate yourself as to what to look for,

supplement properly etc. And dmsa cost more...a lot more.

For us we will have to use dmsa for three years in conjunction with

ala because my son has such high lead. My daughter can eventually go

to ala alone because lead is not an issue for her.

But if you have high lead...you really need dmsa.

I cannot speak for others here on why they prefer ala alone, but

there may be some kids who cannot tolerate dmsa or it makes their

gut issues worse. For an adult with metals, these problems are

unlikely. You may have to see what works best for you/your kids, and

this will depend on what toxicities they/you have and how much.

> > > Can I treat my son with ALA without having

> > done DMSA?

> >

> >

> > I chelated all four of my kids with ALA only,

> > never used DMSA.

> >

> >

> > > Also I keep hearing about a " every 4 hour "

> > schedule. That will be

> > > close to impossible once school starts. And

> > do you wake them at

> > > night also? Any time my son doesn't get a

> > full night's sleep all of

> > > his anger issues, etc come back - I think

> > perhaps because it's so

> > > hard on his adrenals? - I'd rather not

> > disrupt his sleep.

> >

> >

> > I gave my kids ALA 3x per day. Not all kids

> > will tolerate this

> > schedule, but fortunately mine did.

> >

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That's an outrageous dose! I hope you didn't have any mercury amalgam dental

fillings at the time and that you've dumped that doc. 1/8-1/2 mg/lb every 3

hours during the day and every 4 hours at night is a much more reasonable dose.

S S

<p>One of them many doctors I go to suggested ALA<br>

but he had me taking 400 mg twice a day. I had a<br>

severe burning rash and when I stopped taking it<br>

ALA went away. Now I'm afraid of it. Anyway,<br>

isn't there a fear that ALA moves the mercury or<br>

lead through the BBB. From what I've read it is<br>

suggested after you have done many rounds of DMSA<br>

so body burden of mercury is very low so if ALA<br>

is taken, then there isn't that much mercury to<br>

accidentally be taken up by ALA and deposited<br>

into head. However I notice many on this board<br>

seem to like ALA and seem anxious to get off of<br>

DMSA and get onto or use ALA alone. Why do<br>

people seem to prefer ALA to DMSA?<br>

<br>

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[Guest guest]

>

> One of them many doctors I go to suggested ALA

> but he had me taking 400 mg twice a day.

Ack! That is a lot of ALA. I can certainly understand why you would

be afraid of it, because of the symptoms you had because it was such a

high dose.

I started my kids on 25mg per dose, or even lower for my younger kids.

> isn't there a fear that ALA moves the mercury or

> lead through the BBB.

Some people have that concern. I never noticed it with my kids tho.

From what I've read it is

> suggested after you have done many rounds of DMSA

> so body burden of mercury is very low so if ALA

> is taken, then there isn't that much mercury to

> accidentally be taken up by ALA and deposited

> into head.

You can do DMSA first if you want. DMSA does have risks tho, so it

depends on your personal opinion and philosophy I suppose, which risks

to accept and which ones to avoid.

>>However I notice many on this board

> seem to like ALA and seem anxious to get off of

> DMSA and get onto or use ALA alone. Why do

> people seem to prefer ALA to DMSA?

Because ALA removes metals from the brain, which is the ultimate goal,

and DMSA in general does not.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

Can you give me some idea of what the risks of

DMSA are? I haven't seen anything about the

downside. I've only read about the downside of

ALA crossing the BBB (which to some I guess is

the upside). Thanks

--- danasview <danasview@...> wrote:

>

> You can do DMSA first if you want. DMSA does

> have risks tho, so it

> depends on your personal opinion and philosophy

> I suppose, which risks

> to accept and which ones to avoid.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dana,

> Can you give me some idea of what the risks of

> DMSA are? I haven't seen anything about the

> downside.

It is stressful to the liver and kidneys, and I chelated my kids

without a doctor, so I did not have access to testing. I would not

want to use DMSA without periodic testing.

>>I've only read about the downside of

> ALA crossing the BBB (which to some I guess is

> the upside).

It is both good and bad. It removes metals from the brain, which

means it can also move metals INTO the brain. Altho I never saw that

with my kids.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana,

How would you know if that was happening?

> >>I've only read about the downside of

> > ALA crossing the BBB (which to some I guess is

> > the upside).

>

>

> It is both good and bad. It removes metals from the brain, which

> means it can also move metals INTO the brain. Altho I never saw that

> with my kids.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dana,

>

> How would you know if that was happening?

I never saw any negatives related to chelating, only positives. I

would think that any metal going INTO the brain would result in

negatives, but I never saw any.

Dana