Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Hi , I was just wondering if you ever tried the Ascorbyl palmitate? I am searching the best vit. C to give my son and came across this and searched it out to see if anyone had ever used it. Right now I am giving Ascorbic Acid. I have been testing my sons ph level in his urine and he is consistantly between 6.5 and 7.25. I am not sure if I should be using ascorbate verses the ascorbic acid and then came across the Ascorbyl palmitate. Just wanted to see if you had used it and if so if you liked it. I saw that Andy said to use it along side reg. C. Sounds like the ascorbate type helps to keep the ph levels up for kidney purposes, correct? Thanks again. Darci > > Andy and others: > > Are you familiar with ascorbyl palmitate? It is a fat soluble Vitamin C that is said to cross the BBB. Would there be any benefit over ascorbic acid? Anyone know what the recommended dose would be? > > Thanks, > > [ ] Re: FW: IV gluthione - tutorial > > > > Many people do have positive experiences with this, and with many other > things I suggest not doing. After all, alternative doctors are NOT > complete idiots - they don't randomly do things that hurt everyone who > tries it! They only do things they see some people benefit from. > > The issues are what happens to the OTHER people, that is, what is he > risk, and then knowing the risk, does the possible benefit justify > taking that risk? Often this analysis is also influenced by what else > one might do to achieve the same goal. > > Given the risks, benefits, and alternatives with glutathione I don't > think it makes sense for anyone to give it to a child unless failure to > improve the child's condition within a few weeks will lead to them > being institutionalized. > > To address some confusion about glutathione I will repeat a little very > simple physiology that is apparently not taught in medical school. > > 100% of all chronically ill people have low glutathione. > > Glutathoine is made by an enzyme that speeds up production as > glutathoine levels go down. 100% of all people with low glutathione are > making it much faster than normal people. > > In addition, among those with heavy metal tox, many have elevaed > cysteine which is a precursor to glutathione. The higher the cysteine > levels the more rapidly glutathione is made. This is why supplements > like cysteine, NAC, whey protein, and ALA increase glutathione levels. > They increase cysteine. > > The amount of glutathione in an iv is far less than your body contains, > or makes in a day. It is not a significant contribution to body > glutathione (you can make a significant contribution with oral > supplements). What it does to you and how it has its effect is due to > the very unphysiologic events that happen due to it being injected by > iv. > > Sulfur compounds in the body, like glutathione and cysteine, do a lot > of things and have their own toxicity. They make some people horribly > worse when administered, others better. > > The real issue with low gluathione is just that it is an antioxidant, > chronic illness increases oxidative stress, and it is getting used up > (and made) fast. Giving antioxidants like vitamins C and E raises > glutathione levels by letting it not be used up so fast. > > I very strongly encourage all the responsible parents on this list - do > NOT give your child iv glutathione. > > Generally it is a lot easier to mess people up putting stuff in through > a needle than by eating it and I do encourage responsible parents to > avoid injecting things unless clearly absolutely necessary and all > other avenues have been explored. > > Note well that this continues to be promoted at DAN! conferences as > completely safe, and the doc who has been doing this for a while has > had several patients complain to him about severe problems from it and > continues to falsely assert he has never had a problem with it. > > Andy . . . . .. > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Darci, Yes, we use it along with other forms of C, mostly ascorbic. Ours didn't do so well when we raised the ph, essential elements all went down on the hair test as some need the acid to absorb minerals. Not quite sure on why this would be true, thinking some have low stomach acid. Might work well for those with high stomach acid. Thinking what Andy said was right, ascorbyl palmitate alone with the other forms of C, both ascorbic and buffered. [ ] Re: FW: IV gluthione - tutorial > > > > Many people do have positive experiences with this, and with many other > things I suggest not doing. After all, alternative doctors are NOT > complete idiots - they don't randomly do things that hurt everyone who > tries it! They only do things they see some people benefit from. > > The issues are what happens to the OTHER people, that is, what is he > risk, and then knowing the risk, does the possible benefit justify > taking that risk? Often this analysis is also influenced by what else > one might do to achieve the same goal. > > Given the risks, benefits, and alternatives with glutathione I don't > think it makes sense for anyone to give it to a child unless failure to > improve the child's condition within a few weeks will lead to them > being institutionalized. > > To address some confusion about glutathione I will repeat a little very > simple physiology that is apparently not taught in medical school. > > 100% of all chronically ill people have low glutathione. > > Glutathoine is made by an enzyme that speeds up production as > glutathoine levels go down. 100% of all people with low glutathione are > making it much faster than normal people. > > In addition, among those with heavy metal tox, many have elevaed > cysteine which is a precursor to glutathione. The higher the cysteine > levels the more rapidly glutathione is made. This is why supplements > like cysteine, NAC, whey protein, and ALA increase glutathione levels. > They increase cysteine. > > The amount of glutathione in an iv is far less than your body contains, > or makes in a day. It is not a significant contribution to body > glutathione (you can make a significant contribution with oral > supplements). What it does to you and how it has its effect is due to > the very unphysiologic events that happen due to it being injected by > iv. > > Sulfur compounds in the body, like glutathione and cysteine, do a lot > of things and have their own toxicity. They make some people horribly > worse when administered, others better. > > The real issue with low gluathione is just that it is an antioxidant, > chronic illness increases oxidative stress, and it is getting used up > (and made) fast. Giving antioxidants like vitamins C and E raises > glutathione levels by letting it not be used up so fast. > > I very strongly encourage all the responsible parents on this list - do > NOT give your child iv glutathione. > > Generally it is a lot easier to mess people up putting stuff in through > a needle than by eating it and I do encourage responsible parents to > avoid injecting things unless clearly absolutely necessary and all > other avenues have been explored. > > Note well that this continues to be promoted at DAN! conferences as > completely safe, and the doc who has been doing this for a while has > had several patients complain to him about severe problems from it and > continues to falsely assert he has never had a problem with it. > > Andy . . . . .. > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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