Re: Need Help Please...Just Got Hair Results

July 21, 2006

Hi Kathy,

I'll take a stab at this, but really is best at this, along with Andy.

I don't do the counting rules, but your boy has the telltale no to little

mercury being excreted.

His cal/mag and sod/potassium run contrary to one another, indicating adrenal

problems. Try 2-3, 250 mg of adrenal cortex, along with Vitamin C and lots of B

vitamins 3-4 times a day.

For the copper, try zinc at his weight + 20 mgs per day and add in 1000-2000

mcgs, not mgs of molybdenum.

The aluminum, bismuth, arsenic, tin and uranium will come out with the mercury.

For kids with lots of low or under essential elements, digestive enzymes are

recommended. Someone will help you with this as we never used them.

IMO, try low dose oral dmsa at 1/4 mg per lb of boy for a couple rounds, then

add in with the dmsa, oral ala at 1/4 mg per lb. Give these every 3 hours

during the day and every 4 at night for three days, then at least as many days

off.

There is a supplement file that some other person will point you to that will

give you an idea of what to supplement in order to keep him comfortable during

chelation. He needs E, natural d-alpha tocopherol, 400IU once per day in

addition to C, B's magnesium and zinc 3-4 times a day in divided doses.

Good luck with your boy. Any other questions, don't hesitate to ask, they're

free :-)

[ ] Need Help Please...Just Got Hair Results

Hi. I'm still fairly new to this group, but I've seen posts where

some very generous people (Andy, , Moria, , and

others) have taken the time to help interpret other people's DDI

hair test results. My sweet son is 2 1/2 and I'm not sure what to

make of his results. I'm trying to do some research to figure them

out, but I would be very grateful for anyone's help in figuring out

whether we need to go down the chelation path with him. (He's been

GFCF for about 5 months now and he's taking several supplements

including enzymes, but I still feel woefully uninformed when it

comes to vitamins/minerals/metal problems/etc.)

I e-mailed the results to my husband a few minutes ago. He wasn't

ever AGAINST me getting the test done, per se, but he was definitely

a bit reluctant beforehand. Anyway, he actually e-mailed me back

very quickly saying he was concerned about the copper level in

particular. So now that I have his attention, I would love it if I

could follow it up with a strong interpretation of the data.

Here are the results (I tried to make them look as readable as

possible, but they sure aren't easy to do that with):

Potentially Toxic Elements

Toxic Elements...Result...Reference Range..Color Code

Aluminum..........13........< 8.0...........yellow

Antimony..........0.023......< 0.066..........green

Arsenic...........0.13.......< 0.080.........yellow

Beryllium.........< 0.01.....< 0.020..........N/A

Bismuth..........0.24.......< 0.13...........yellow

Cadmium..........0.036......< 0.15...........green

Lead.............0.71.......< 1.0...........green

Mercury...........0.07........< 0.40...........green

Platinum..........< 0.003......< 0.005...........N/A

Thallium..........< 0.001......< 0.010...........N/A

Thorium...........0.001......< 0.005..........green

Uranium...........0.079......< 0.060...........yellow

Nickel............0.07........< 0.40...........green

Silver............0.07........< 0.20...........green

Tin.............0.58........< 0.30...........yellow

Titanium..........0.78........< 1.0...........green

Total Toxic Representation....................low yellow

Essential and Other Elements

Elements......Result...Reference Range...Color Under/Over 50%

Calcium...........359.......125-370.........green over

Magnesium.........75........12-30............yellow over

Sodium...........25........12-90...........green under

Potassium..........7.........12-40...........yellow under

Copper...........150.......8.0-16..........red (WAY) over

Zinc...............110.......100-190..........green under

Manganese.........0.11.......0.20-0.55........yellow under

Chromium.........0.39.......0.26-0.50.........green over

Vanadium.........0.072.....0.030-0.10........green over

Molybdenum........0.060.....0.050-0.13........green under

Boron.............0.58......0.60-4.0..........green/yellow under

Iodine............0.63.......0.25-1.3.........white over

Lithium...........0.007......0.007-0.023......green under

Phosphorus.........134.......160-250.........yellow under

Selenium..........0.70........0.95-1.7.........yellow under

Strontium..........1.8........0.16-1.0.........yellow over

Sulfur............43700.....45500-53000......yellow under

Barium...........0.74......0.16-0.80........green over

Cobalt.............0.007......0.013-0.035.....red under (barely)

Iron.............7.1........8.0-19..........yellow under

Germanium.........0.034......0.045-0.065.......yellow under

Rubidium..........0.010......0.016-0.18.......yellow under

Zirconium..........1.8........0.040-1.0........yellow over

Ratios

Elements...... Ratios..Expected Range

Ca/Mg.........4.79....4-30

Ca/P..........2.68.... 0.8-8

Na/K..........3.57... 0.5-10

Zn/Cu.........0.733....4-20

Zn/Cd.........> 999....> 800

If I need to include any other information, or list it differently,

please let me know.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Kathy in Florida

July 21, 2006

In a message dated 22/07/2006 01:52:09 GMT Daylight Time, katdan98@...

writes:

For kids with lots of low or under essential elements, digestive

enzymes are recommended. Someone will help you with this as we never

used them.

>>> Go look here

_www.houstonni.com_ (http://www.houstonni.com)

and

_www.enzymestuff.com_ (http://www.enzymestuff.com)

HTH

Mandi in UK

July 21, 2006

Is he on any supps that contain copper? If so, take him off them right away.

How's his diet? Is he taking some zinc?

S S

Hi. I'm still fairly new to this group, but I've seen posts

where

some very generous people (Andy, , Moria, , and

others) have taken the time to help interpret other people's DDI

hair test results. My sweet son is 2 1/2 and I'm not sure what to

make of his results. I'm trying to do some research to figure them

out, but I would be very grateful for anyone's help in figuring out

whether we need to go down the chelation path with him. (He's been

GFCF for about 5 months now and he's taking several supplements

including enzymes, but I still feel woefully uninformed when it

comes to vitamins/minerals/metal problems/etc.)

I e-mailed the results to my husband a few minutes ago. He wasn't

ever AGAINST me getting the test done, per se, but he was definitely

a bit reluctant beforehand. Anyway, he actually e-mailed me back

very quickly saying he was concerned about the copper level in

particular. So now that I have his attention, I would love it if I

could follow it up with a strong interpretation of the data.

Here are the results (I tried to make them look as readable as

possible, but they sure aren't easy to do that with):

Potentially Toxic Elements

Toxic Elements.……Result………Reference Range……Color Code

Aluminum……………………..13……………...< 8.0……………………………yellow

Antimony…………..…...0.023….……..< 0.066……………………….green

Arsenic……………….…...0.13……….…..< 0.080………………………yellow

Beryllium………………...< 0.01………..< 0.020……………………….N/A

Bismuth…………………...0.24…………...< 0.13………………………..yellow

Cadmium…………..…...0.036…………..< 0.15………………………….green

Lead………………..……...0.71……………..< 1.0……………………………green

Mercury…………..……...0.07…………....< 0.40………………………….green

Platinum…………..…...< 0.003……....< 0.005………………………..N/A

Thallium………..……...< 0.001….…...< 0.010………………………..N/A

Thorium………….……....0.001………...< 0.005…………………………green

Uranium…………….…....0.079………...< 0.060………………………..yellow

Nickel……………..………..0.07……….....< 0.40………………………….green

Silver……………..…….….0.07……….....< 0.20………………………….green

Tin………………………..….0.58……….…...< 0.30………………………….yellow

Titanium…………..….….0.78……………...< 1.0……………………………green

Total Toxic Representation………………………………………………..low yellow

Essential and Other Elements

Elements…….………Result………Reference Range………Color Under/Over 50%

Calcium…………..……...359……………..125-370………………………green over

Magnesium……..……...75……………...12-30………………………..…yellow over

Sodium………….………...25……………...12-90…………………….……green under

Potassium…………….....7………………...12-40……………………….…yellow under

Copper……………….…...150……………..8.0-16…………………………red (WAY) over

Zinc……………...…….....110………..….100-190………………….……green under

Manganese………….…...0.11………....0.20-0.55……………………yellow under

Chromium………………...0.39………....0.26-0.50………………..…green over

Vanadium………………...0.072………..0.030-0.10……………….…green over

Molybdenum……….…...0.060…….….0.050-0.13……………….…green under

Boron…………………….....0.58…………..0.60-4.0……………………..green/yellow under

Iodine……………………....0.63…………...0.25-1.3…………………….white over

Lithium……………………...0.007………...0.007-0.023………………green under

Phosphorus……………....134…………...160-250………………………yellow under

Selenium…………………...0.70……….....0.95-1.7…………………….yellow under

Strontium……………..…..1.8……………...0.16-1.0…………………….yellow over

Sulfur………………………...43700………..45500-53000…………….yellow under

Barium………………………..0.74…………..0.16-0.80………………….green over

Cobalt…………………….....0.007………...0.013-0.035……………red under (barely)

Iron…………………………...7.1……………...8.0-19……………………….yellow under

Germanium………….…...0.034………...0.045-0.065……………….yellow under

Rubidium…………………...0.010………...0.016-0.18…………………yellow under

Zirconium………………....1.8……………...0.040-1.0……………………yellow over

Ratios

Elements……………… Ratios……Expected Range

Ca/Mg………………………4.79…………4-30

Ca/P…………………………2.68………… 0.8-8

Na/K…………………………3.57……… 0.5-10

Zn/Cu………………………0.733…………4-20

Zn/Cd………………………> 999…………> 800

If I need to include any other information, or list it differently,

please let me know.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Kathy in Florida

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July 21, 2006

Thank you SO much, ! This is exactly the kind of practical,

thoughtful response I was hoping for! I sent a copy of your

response to my husband at work today, and he stopped by a local HFS

on the way home from work to try and get the supps you recommended

(woo hoo!). He said they didn't have molybdenum by itself, so I'm

going to find someplace online to order that (any suggestions?). He

also said that when he asked the woman who was helping him for

adrenal cortex, she turned her nose up at him and said very

haughtily, " We don't carry stuff like that. " I looked up adrenal

cortex online and saw that there are a variety of types and sources

for it. Do you have any suggestions for a good brand and online

location from which to purchase it?

Thanks again for your awesome reply, ! While I'm sad that my

son (and our family) is going through this, I'm also heartened that

there are more steps we can take to help my son heal and grow to be

the healthiest and best person he can be. I truly and sincerely

thank you for your help on our journey!

Kathy in Florida

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> I'll take a stab at this, but really is best at this,

along with Andy.

>

> I don't do the counting rules, but your boy has the telltale no to

little mercury being excreted.

>

> His cal/mag and sod/potassium run contrary to one another,

indicating adrenal problems. Try 2-3, 250 mg of adrenal cortex,

along with Vitamin C and lots of B vitamins 3-4 times a day.

>

> For the copper, try zinc at his weight + 20 mgs per day and add in

1000-2000 mcgs, not mgs of molybdenum.

>

> The aluminum, bismuth, arsenic, tin and uranium will come out with

the mercury.

>

> For kids with lots of low or under essential elements, digestive

enzymes are recommended. Someone will help you with this as we never

used them.

>

> IMO, try low dose oral dmsa at 1/4 mg per lb of boy for a couple

rounds, then add in with the dmsa, oral ala at 1/4 mg per lb. Give

these every 3 hours during the day and every 4 at night for three

days, then at least as many days off.

>

> There is a supplement file that some other person will point you

to that will give you an idea of what to supplement in order to keep

him comfortable during chelation. He needs E, natural d-alpha

tocopherol, 400IU once per day in addition to C, B's magnesium and

zinc 3-4 times a day in divided doses.

>

> Good luck with your boy. Any other questions, don't hesitate to

ask, they're free :-)

>

July 21, 2006

Kathy,

I like Enzymatic Therapy for the Adrenal Cortex Extract. Just make sure it is

only the extract. The molybdenum, 1000mcg. we found at Thorne Research products.

You should be able to find it by googling it, sorry, not terribly good at

supplying those nice links that make it so much easier.

IMO, I would probably only give 1 capsule of the molybdenum, starting slowly

and working up, and then hair test again to see if it is bringing the copper

down in 3 months or so.

Good luck, Kathy,

[ ] Re: Need Help Please...Just Got Hair Results

Thank you SO much, ! This is exactly the kind of practical,

thoughtful response I was hoping for! I sent a copy of your

response to my husband at work today, and he stopped by a local HFS

on the way home from work to try and get the supps you recommended

(woo hoo!). He said they didn't have molybdenum by itself, so I'm

going to find someplace online to order that (any suggestions?). He

also said that when he asked the woman who was helping him for

adrenal cortex, she turned her nose up at him and said very

haughtily, " We don't carry stuff like that. " I looked up adrenal

cortex online and saw that there are a variety of types and sources

for it. Do you have any suggestions for a good brand and online

location from which to purchase it?

Thanks again for your awesome reply, ! While I'm sad that my

son (and our family) is going through this, I'm also heartened that

there are more steps we can take to help my son heal and grow to be

the healthiest and best person he can be. I truly and sincerely

thank you for your help on our journey!

Kathy in Florida

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> I'll take a stab at this, but really is best at this,

along with Andy.

>

> I don't do the counting rules, but your boy has the telltale no to

little mercury being excreted.

>

> His cal/mag and sod/potassium run contrary to one another,

indicating adrenal problems. Try 2-3, 250 mg of adrenal cortex,

along with Vitamin C and lots of B vitamins 3-4 times a day.

>

> For the copper, try zinc at his weight + 20 mgs per day and add in

1000-2000 mcgs, not mgs of molybdenum.

>

> The aluminum, bismuth, arsenic, tin and uranium will come out with

the mercury.

>

> For kids with lots of low or under essential elements, digestive

enzymes are recommended. Someone will help you with this as we never

used them.

>

> IMO, try low dose oral dmsa at 1/4 mg per lb of boy for a couple

rounds, then add in with the dmsa, oral ala at 1/4 mg per lb. Give

these every 3 hours during the day and every 4 at night for three

days, then at least as many days off.

>

> There is a supplement file that some other person will point you

to that will give you an idea of what to supplement in order to keep

him comfortable during chelation. He needs E, natural d-alpha

tocopherol, 400IU once per day in addition to C, B's magnesium and

zinc 3-4 times a day in divided doses.

>

> Good luck with your boy. Any other questions, don't hesitate to

ask, they're free :-)

>

July 21, 2006

Hi, . Hmmm...I just looked through all of his supps and none

contains copper (but I'm glad your suggestion made me look!). He's

GFCF and doing pretty well in terms of eating, all things considered,

though he's skinny (yet muscular) from being hyperactive. We did IgG

allergy testing on him a few months back and found out that he's

intolerant to quite a lot of foods, many of which are taken care of by

him being GFCF, but plenty of which are not. Cashews, coconut, oat,

peanut, pork, and rice (yes rice--ack!) were the biggest (i.e.,

strongest) offenders that aren't taken care of by the GFCF diet.

We try to feed him a healthy variety of foods, but he's phenol

intolerant, so for quite a while we were avoiding most fruits. Now we

use HNI enzymes and have re-incorporated things like raisins (and

today after seeing his low potassium, I gave him a banana--he was

thrilled!), but we still mostly use pears to get in servings of

fruit. He will eat most meats, though his faves are chicken and

turkey. I have guilty-mom-complex that I'm not doing even more home

cooking than I do. Usually at least once (twice when desperate) a

week we get Chik-Fil-A french fries and a McD's or 's meat patty

as a meal for him. He loves sweet potatoes and lately he's actually

eating broccoli (but only the floret part). We found a millet and

potato-based bread he'll eat (thank goodness) so I think we're getting

by better than some others I've heard about through another

group I joined shortly after he went GFCF.

We've been giving him 25 mg of zinc per day, but today I upped it to

50 mg based on 's earlier response.

I might have told you far more than you wanted to know, but as you can

probably tell, I'm hungry for information and so I want to give you

anything you need to know so that I can (hopefully) get some very

applicable advice back in return.

Thanks for taking the time to respond. If you have any further

suggestions for us, I would be very grateful to hear them.

Kathy in Florida

>

> Is he on any supps that contain copper? If so, take him off them

right away. How's his diet? Is he taking some zinc?

> S S

July 21, 2006

I'm GFCF myself and also vegan. Does he eat many nuts? They're high in copper.

Does your house have copper pipes? Do you filter your water (for bathing,

cooking, and drinking)?

S S

Hi, . Hmmm...I just looked through all of his supps and

none