Re: Histamines and folate?

July 21, 2006

Stacey,

Are you chelating your son, or are you treating

for yeast/infection? If so, hives or uticaria

can be from liver irritation. I think treating

for yeast or other microbe is more irritating to

liver than chelating but I don't know for sure.

Try taking a break from one of these things and

see if it clears up. The break helps the liver

to catch up with it's work of cleaning up blood.

If it is 'behind' in it's work, it leaves things

in the blood that shouldn't be there. That can

cause a number of different of symptoms in skin,

generalized itching is one, hives, or other

rashes. It also could be one of the supplements

you are using he is allergic to. If there are

any new supplements try stopping those. It also

could be not one supplement but both separately

could be okay but then when you combine, they

cause reaction. I've had a lot of trouble with

rashes and hives and eliminating something always

turned out to be only thing that helped. If it

is chelating or yeast treatment that he needs,

maybe he just needs to go slower or different

routine of some kind, or needs a longer break

between chelating. It's hard to tell. You'd

just have to experiment around. I wouldn't add

another 'medicine' like an antihistamine. That

could just make things worse and is just

symptomatic relief and doesn't solve the problem

that something is not agreeing with child's

system. I wouldn't add another supplement either

without first try to find the culprit.

--- <stacyc75@...> wrote:

> A few weeks ago I posted about a hives issue

> we've had, and yes we

> still have them.

July 21, 2006

>

> Stacey,

> Are you chelating your son, or are you treating

> for yeast/infection?

No to both. He has not had any chelation since last September, and

he's never had yeast problems, never had an antibiotic in his life.

Never been treated for any yeast.

It also could be one of the supplements

> you are using he is allergic to. If there are

> any new supplements try stopping those.

There are NO new supplements. NO new foods, detergents, carpet,

cleaning supplies, clothes, anything in the home, we've been through

all that.

The hives started on June 20/21.

He was taking small dosages, infrequent, of benadryl BEFORE the hives

during June 18-20 for seasonal allergies, mainly just to calm down his

sneezing and stuff so he could sleep better at night.

(My personal opinion is that the benadryl possibly triggered this,

since he had not had benadryl in at least a year, maybe year and half)

He started taking a probiotic on June 26th. There are NO other

supplements, vitamins or minerals being used at this time. Probiotics

were started AFTER the hives.

He continued the benadryl because otherwise the hives were so bad he

was scratching himself raw.

A pediatrician gave us another antihistamine to use to replace the

benadryl, and also said to give him 25mg of tagamet, wanted us to

combine an H1 and H2 blocker. While I agree that giving antihistamine

" masks " the symptoms, its only given when his breakout reaches the

point that he's scratching at himself, to avoid him scratching to the

point of bleeding and raw. Otherwise its not given if there is just a

couple patches that don't seem to bother him.

The reason I'm asking about the folate, is that from what I'm reading

it has to do the methyl groups (and please if I'm wrong correct me,

I'm still reading so much info), and this whole ordeal goes back to

methyl transport and all that stuff that I don't fully understand but

know its a huge problem for our kids.

One article I'm trying to digest still:

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/walshMP.htm

some quotes:

" Elevated histamine and/or elevated basophils indicate undermethylation. "

Would I be correct to assume his histames are elevated and because

they are he's breaking out in hives?

" the bottom line is that undermethylated persons generally exhibit

very elevated folate levels.... and these persons get worse if

additional folate is given. "

So this line says not to give him folate if that first line is true.

However:

" The late and great Carl Pfeiffer would occasionally resort to use of

the anti-histamines Benedryl or Dilantin in high-histamine persons who

were slow to respond. Avoidance of folate supplements is essential for

most undermethylated persons, an exception being autism "

The exception being autism. So I am to consider this true?

He also goes on to talk about the use of SAMe for histamine issues,

again, I've seen this product mentioned before, but know NOTHING about it.

Lastly, the hives were breaking out 2-3 times a day, needing treatment

each time. Now he seems to need the antihistamine every other day, and

trust me I use it very sparingly, only when the symptoms are causing

him problems.

~

July 21, 2006

Hi Stacey,

I'm an adult chelating for lead and mercury.

I've had liver inflamation problems, and rash and

hives and am sensitive to drugs and supplements

so that is my experience. I don't know anything

about the folate situation with autism.

Aside from that, my dermatologist gave me Atarax®

Syrup. I use it on occasion. What I like about

it is that rash usually bothers me more at night

since I have time to 'fool' with it. He told me

to take it at night and it has calming effect as

well as affect on itching. I also like fact that

it is a liquid so I can adjust dose to suit

myself. However with me usually it is something

I am taking and stopping that starts the healing.

However there are many causes for uticaria.

One other guess...does son have gut problems as

many autistic kids do? I have leaky gut due to

inflamation in upper digestion area/small

intestine. What happens there is that if gut

lining is injured due to inflamation, it does not

properly digest food. It has probably been

discussed here already. So there is nutrition

problems as one effect. Then secondarily the

inflamed area is very poroused and lets the

incompletely digested particles of food into the

blood stream. This causes irritation in skin as

things are in blood that don't belong there.

Solution to that doctor gave me is pancreatic

enzyme between meals on empty stomach to get into

blood and digest the undigested particles that

are in there. I saw fibrous matter in my own

blood on black field microscopy that were gone

after a month of enzyme treatment. Problem with

gut inflamation continues though as cause has not

been found. I think it is Candidas infection but

since people here say metal can be a problem and

I had an exposure to alot of lead, maybe that did

it. Still unsolved problem that causes me a lot

of problems. During this problem I have had the

skin problems and the extra sensitivity to drugs

and supplements. Just food for thought. I hope

you figure it out.

My doctor did give my Nystatin for Candidas but I

developed a big rash from that also and had to

stop, so yeast problem continues, just a side

note to above 'list of problems'...!

--- <stacyc75@...> wrote:

No to both. He has not had any chelation since

> last September, and

> he's never had yeast problems, never had an

> antibiotic in his life.

> Never been treated for any yeast.

>

July 22, 2006

Stacey, I am coming in the middle of this, so forgive me if I am off target. We

had an allergic reaction to Virastop that we were using after we had used it for

about 4 months. And a person can become allergic to something one day after not

being allergic the day before.

We knew it was an allergic reaction because when we gave Benadryl, the rash

would subside but as the Benadryl wore off, the rash would reappear.

What helped permanently was to give Vitamin C, 250 mgs and pantothenic acid, 50