Re: Question about at home chelation that will make a lot of people mad

[Guest guest]

Our reasons were money, and lack of docs that were knowledgeable. One of the

bigger reasons is because it's labeled " voodoo " and I didn't want DFACS beating

down my door to take my child!!!! People thinking you're crazy as hell is one

thing, doing something that would give them ammunition or the ability to

misconstrue anything to prove you're crazy is another. All the while remembering

that most people do not live in our world and most likely do not feel that our

kids can be helped; this mind set will most certainly lead a parent to do things

on the sly with alot of research, prayer and support from others who are in the

same boat.

Just my 2 cents and experience.....

klm

[ ] Question about at home chelation that will make a

lot of people mad

Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

in this group mad,

I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

because I feel like I am missing out on something.

* Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

guiding them through this process?>

I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

* Money

* Lack of Doctors with knowledge

* ?

Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

Thank you

Deana

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[Guest guest]

Amen!!!!!

Karyn <klmitch@...> wrote: Our reasons were money, and lack of docs

that were knowledgeable. One of the bigger reasons is because it's labeled

" voodoo " and I didn't want DFACS beating down my door to take my child!!!!

People thinking you're crazy as hell is one thing, doing something that would

give them ammunition or the ability to misconstrue anything to prove you're

crazy is another. All the while remembering that most people do not live in our

world and most likely do not feel that our kids can be helped; this mind set

will most certainly lead a parent to do things on the sly with alot of research,

prayer and support from others who are in the same boat.

Just my 2 cents and experience.....

klm

[ ] Question about at home chelation that will make a lot

of people mad

Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

in this group mad,

I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

because I feel like I am missing out on something.

* Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

guiding them through this process?>

I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

* Money

* Lack of Doctors with knowledge

* ?

Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

Thank you

Deana

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[Guest guest]

Your right I would never do this alone

I too have a DAN protocol Doctor

I am just going to start my first round this weekend

but I will keep close tabs and check with my doctor

hoovermcdowell <hoovermcdowell@...> wrote:

Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

in this group mad,

I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

because I feel like I am missing out on something.

* Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

guiding them through this process?>

I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

* Money

* Lack of Doctors with knowledge

* ?

Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

Thank you

Deana

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[Guest guest]

Doesn't make me mad at all. We all choose what we feel is best

for us.

I think the reasons some people choose not to work with doctors

include repeated bad experiences with doctors, limited funds

(especially after the repeated bad experiences), finding much

better help in groups like this...that sort of thing.

I am a chelating adult, and I do use professionals (doctors and

other practitioners) for various services. However, the information

that has been most effective (and has not hurt me) is what I have

learned here and in other online forums. I received a lot of advice

from a lot of docs and others over the years. Some of it was

helpful, but a lot has caused problems or was ineffective. I have

learned far more useful information here and have made far more

progress.

I think people's experience with doctors depends a lot on how toxic

they or their kid(s) are to begin with, as well as how toxicity is

affecting their body. Some problems are difficult to address and a

person may have to look around a lot to find a doctor, or an online

forum that has some answers that begin to work for them (or at least

doesn't make matters worse) - and then they may have to look around

some more to find a solution to the next problem, and so on.

If things are going well with your doctor and you are getting

the help you feel you need, that is terrific!

--

>

> Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

> in this group mad,

> I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

> because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

>

> I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> * Money

> * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> * ?

> Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

> fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

> I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

> So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

>

> Thank you

> Deana

>

[Guest guest]

We have tried PCA-RX and TD-DMSA. On testing we saw great results but not

that much clinically. (We did see a big leap the first couple of months of

PCA-RX.) We decided to try the Cutler Protocol. We do have a DAN! doc that

we still see. She knows we are doing it. She is not knowledgeable about

the protocol but she supports us trying it. Money has become a big issue

for us. We've been doing aggressive biomedical interventions and private

ABA school with our son for four to five years. As a result, we are beyond

broke. Our son is still nonverbal and severely affected by autism.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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On Behalf Of hoovermcdowell

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:00 PM

Subject: [ ] Question about at home chelation that will make a

lot of people mad

Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

in this group mad,

I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

because I feel like I am missing out on something.

* Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

guiding them through this process?>

I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

* Money

* Lack of Doctors with knowledge

* ?

Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

Thank you

Deana

[Guest guest]

> Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

> in this group mad,

> I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

> because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

>

> I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> * Money

> * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> * ?

> Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

> fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

read.

> I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

> So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

>

> Thank you

> Deana

Our reasons were lack of Doctors and money. When we started this

there were no doctors in our state, I kid you not. We also couldn't

have afforded one anyway. Now 3 yrs later there is one doctor, 3

hours away, and one who comes in periodically from another state.

The one from the other state doesn't do chelation. The one 3 hours

away is brand new and never treated kids before. We did decide to

go to her for testing for our dd. We spent all of our savings but I

don't feel any more comfortable now with a Dr on board. I doubt I'd

feel differently even if our DR had a lot of experience. I've just

heard too many reports of " experts " doing dangerour protocols.

[Guest guest]

I'll bet many of those who are now chelating doctor-free tried

doctors in the past and found them worthless, dangerous, clueless,

expensive, unavailable and/or obstructive.

I *have* a DAN! doctor or two, but I rarely use them anymore. It

was reassuring/helpful in the beginning to have an MD on board, but

I've come to realize this chelation business isn't rocket science

(in our case). That realization happened after a year of intense

study on my part (and the help of groups like these). My son is NOT

physically ill, is not severely Autistic and seems to be

responding. I might feel different if he were more complicated. To

this date, he still has Autism, though.

It is a very personal choice. Some made the decision out of

necessity (just no help available), others feel no need for a

specific MD/ND/RN's guidance. Neither choice is wrong; depends on

what works for you.

Pam

>

> Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

> in this group mad,

> I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

> because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

>

> I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> * Money

> * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> * ?

> Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

> fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

read.

> I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

> So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

>

> Thank you

> Deana

>

[Guest guest]

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

Because when I was calling around trying to find a doctor, none of

them would accept my son as a patient, because he has a Kanner dx. So

I had no choice but to learn how to do everything by myself, with OTC

supplements, if I wanted him to have a chance at recovery.

Then, when it was time for chelation, I already knew more than most

doctors, so why waste my money? I used ALA, which is something the

body produces anyway, so I was not using anything " dangerous " in my

opinion.

And my son is now recovered.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

Because I had no doctor anywhere nearby who knew how to chelate

properly. And because, thanks to the vaccine injury and the

unwillingness of every doctor I saw subsequent to that to believe

anything I had to say, my trust in doctors was broken.

I trust Andy. There are some doctors and researchers whose work and

opinion is worth thinking about. But no one whose directions I'm

willing to follow without doing my own research.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Long story short about 2 years ago doc and a test said we were

finished. So called professional " expert at chelation no less. He

dropped the ball and I had to pick up the pieces figuring out what

was missing. Wasn't till I came back to this board after 4 long

years under professional care Dan! Doc no less) and applied the work

of Andy Cutler, then I started to see what chelation is all about.

Applying the slow and steady approach along with good ole common

sense and a practical chelation protocol is what it took to start

progressing again.

Along with the help and support of all the knowledgeable biomoms and

dads (Btw who are the ones in the trenches) is what gave me all the

support I needed. I applied what I learned the hard way, then

discovered how to get my son better. I believe a big lesson for

everyone that been here long enough.

We have done # 54 rounds (Cutler style) thus so far and still

seeing gains with every round " yea " …slow and steady. As Andy

says " stand pat Chelate, Chelate and Chelate some more " , till ya

get the job done.

In short why am I doing this alone?

Cuz my son is doing better than ever before under my care. I have

been treating him for well over 5 years now and know him better than

any doctor. I have administered every dose every supplement and every

biomedical treatment thus so far. (Ok My wife deserves a big praise

on this as well ) Have looked at stools revamped supplement regimen

many of times. . Researched researched researched. Have gone through

the good the bad the ugly. (Well not any more.) Bottom line is I

know his needs, and see how well he does with everything that he has

been exposed to since birth. Weather it be medical or environmental.

With the grace of God soon he will be restored in the boy hat God

intended him to be .

Thanks for listening

I never mentioned money (that was a sore subject as well) because

truth is discovered and no amount of money will ever be able to apply

what truth reveals.

Anyway good question wish everyone well

My best as always

Kenny V

>

> Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

> in this group mad,

> I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

> because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

>

> I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> * Money

> * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> * ?

> Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

> fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

read.

> I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

> So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

>

> Thank you

> Deana

>

[Guest guest]

Deana,

Why we chelate on our own: It's elementary really, NO ONE would help

us! I was told that I was paranoid and the the lead in my son was

not harmful. That there was no way the mercury shots and fillings in

myself and my daugher were making us sick. I was told to take

antidepressants and not worry about it. I had doctors humor me, or

nod in agreement that what I was saying made sense, but none of them

wanted to risk scrutiny in the medical community by helping us

chelate. Most did not even want to do any testing to rule it out.

The one and only doctor in our area who chelates follows a protocol

that is not safe, and charges a lot of money for that protocol.

Chelation under Andy's protocol is really quite simple once you

learn about it. The supplements and such are basic. I did the

research on what is out there to help metal poisoning. What was

safe, what was bs...this makes sense.

I could not stand by and watch my children's lives be ruined like

mine was by chronic metal toxicity. It was robbing them of their

happiness, their ability to learn, and their ability to thrive. It

will rob them of their future..unless as their mother I stepped up

to help them. No one will protect your kids like you will. While

having a doc might be useful for some poeple and some things. For

us, straight forward metal poisoning, which did not take a doctors

degree to treat or understand. By the way any docs I saw, did not

beleive metal poisoning existed anymore.

I have done 10 rounds on my PDD son, who by the way saw the Dev. Ped

in July and is not PDD anymore. Thanks to me. If I had listened to

mainstream medicine, likely he would be worse and with permanant

damage. I think it is wonderful for those who are able to find

medical doctors to help them. For us that wasn't going to happen,

and I could not sit by and watch my beautiful little boy continue to

withdraw into himself. Rather than spent money on someone telling me

what I already know, I chose to use the money to pay for the actual

treatment. I have not regretted my decision. I watch my kids improve

with each round and still amazed that it can be that simple. By the

way, I am not mad that you asked!

> >

> > Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of

people

> > in this group mad,

> > I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the

answer

> > because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> > * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a

doctor

> > guiding them through this process?>

> >

> > I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> > * Money

> > * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> > * ?

> > Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> > Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> > natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> > available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> > Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails

with

> > fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

> read.

> > I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just

curious.

> > So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

> >

> > Thank you

> > Deana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for answering that question. I have so many naturalpaths here willing to

help. I guess I am lucky to live in Oregon.

Your story is amazing, thanks for enlightning me..

Jan <paxlforme@...> wrote:

Deana,

Why we chelate on our own: It's elementary really, NO ONE would help

us! I was told that I was paranoid and the the lead in my son was

not harmful. That there was no way the mercury shots and fillings in

myself and my daugher were making us sick. I was told to take

antidepressants and not worry about it. I had doctors humor me, or

nod in agreement that what I was saying made sense, but none of them

wanted to risk scrutiny in the medical community by helping us

chelate. Most did not even want to do any testing to rule it out.

The one and only doctor in our area who chelates follows a protocol

that is not safe, and charges a lot of money for that protocol.

Chelation under Andy's protocol is really quite simple once you

learn about it. The supplements and such are basic. I did the

research on what is out there to help metal poisoning. What was

safe, what was bs...this makes sense.

I could not stand by and watch my children's lives be ruined like

mine was by chronic metal toxicity. It was robbing them of their

happiness, their ability to learn, and their ability to thrive. It

will rob them of their future..unless as their mother I stepped up

to help them. No one will protect your kids like you will. While

having a doc might be useful for some poeple and some things. For

us, straight forward metal poisoning, which did not take a doctors

degree to treat or understand. By the way any docs I saw, did not

beleive metal poisoning existed anymore.

I have done 10 rounds on my PDD son, who by the way saw the Dev. Ped

in July and is not PDD anymore. Thanks to me. If I had listened to

mainstream medicine, likely he would be worse and with permanant

damage. I think it is wonderful for those who are able to find

medical doctors to help them. For us that wasn't going to happen,

and I could not sit by and watch my beautiful little boy continue to

withdraw into himself. Rather than spent money on someone telling me

what I already know, I chose to use the money to pay for the actual

treatment. I have not regretted my decision. I watch my kids improve

with each round and still amazed that it can be that simple. By the

way, I am not mad that you asked!

> >

> > Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of

people

> > in this group mad,

> > I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the

answer

> > because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> > * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a

doctor

> > guiding them through this process?>

> >

> > I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> > * Money

> > * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> > * ?

> > Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> > Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> > natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> > available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> > Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails

with

> > fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

> read.

> > I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just

curious.

> > So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

> >

> > Thank you

> > Deana

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for you response, I totally get where everyone is coming from now!!

Deana

kenny V <KEN@...> wrote:

Long story short about 2 years ago doc and a test said we were

finished. So called professional " expert at chelation no less. He

dropped the ball and I had to pick up the pieces figuring out what

was missing. Wasn't till I came back to this board after 4 long

years under professional care Dan! Doc no less) and applied the work

of Andy Cutler, then I started to see what chelation is all about.

Applying the slow and steady approach along with good ole common

sense and a practical chelation protocol is what it took to start

progressing again.

Along with the help and support of all the knowledgeable biomoms and

dads (Btw who are the ones in the trenches) is what gave me all the

support I needed. I applied what I learned the hard way, then

discovered how to get my son better. I believe a big lesson for

everyone that been here long enough.

We have done # 54 rounds (Cutler style) thus so far and still

seeing gains with every round " yea " …slow and steady. As Andy

says " stand pat Chelate, Chelate and Chelate some more " , till ya

get the job done.

In short why am I doing this alone?

Cuz my son is doing better than ever before under my care. I have

been treating him for well over 5 years now and know him better than

any doctor. I have administered every dose every supplement and every

biomedical treatment thus so far. (Ok My wife deserves a big praise

on this as well ) Have looked at stools revamped supplement regimen

many of times. . Researched researched researched. Have gone through

the good the bad the ugly. (Well not any more.) Bottom line is I

know his needs, and see how well he does with everything that he has

been exposed to since birth. Weather it be medical or environmental.

With the grace of God soon he will be restored in the boy hat God

intended him to be .

Thanks for listening

I never mentioned money (that was a sore subject as well) because

truth is discovered and no amount of money will ever be able to apply

what truth reveals.

Anyway good question wish everyone well

My best as always

Kenny V

>

> Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

> in this group mad,

> I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

> because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

>

> I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> * Money

> * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> * ?

> Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

> fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

read.

> I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

> So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

>

> Thank you

> Deana

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you

lanellici <lanellici@...> wrote:

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

Because I had no doctor anywhere nearby who knew how to chelate

properly. And because, thanks to the vaccine injury and the

unwillingness of every doctor I saw subsequent to that to believe

anything I had to say, my trust in doctors was broken.

I trust Andy. There are some doctors and researchers whose work and

opinion is worth thinking about. But no one whose directions I'm

willing to follow without doing my own research.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Thanks PAm.

noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> wrote: I'll bet many of those who

are now chelating doctor-free tried

doctors in the past and found them worthless, dangerous, clueless,

expensive, unavailable and/or obstructive.

I *have* a DAN! doctor or two, but I rarely use them anymore. It

was reassuring/helpful in the beginning to have an MD on board, but

I've come to realize this chelation business isn't rocket science

(in our case). That realization happened after a year of intense

study on my part (and the help of groups like these). My son is NOT

physically ill, is not severely Autistic and seems to be

responding. I might feel different if he were more complicated. To

this date, he still has Autism, though.

It is a very personal choice. Some made the decision out of

necessity (just no help available), others feel no need for a

specific MD/ND/RN's guidance. Neither choice is wrong; depends on

what works for you.

Pam

>

> Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

> in this group mad,

> I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

> because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

>

> I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> * Money

> * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> * ?

> Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

> fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

read.

> I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

> So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

>

> Thank you

> Deana

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much

hanjkyla <kyleac@...> wrote:

> Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

> in this group mad,

> I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

> because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

>

> I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> * Money

> * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> * ?

> Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

> fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

read.

> I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

> So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

>

> Thank you

> Deana

Our reasons were lack of Doctors and money. When we started this

there were no doctors in our state, I kid you not. We also couldn't

have afforded one anyway. Now 3 yrs later there is one doctor, 3

hours away, and one who comes in periodically from another state.

The one from the other state doesn't do chelation. The one 3 hours

away is brand new and never treated kids before. We did decide to

go to her for testing for our dd. We spent all of our savings but I

don't feel any more comfortable now with a Dr on board. I doubt I'd

feel differently even if our DR had a lot of experience. I've just

heard too many reports of " experts " doing dangerour protocols.

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your response.

Pamela Leigh <pamelaleigh@...> wrote: We have tried PCA-RX and

TD-DMSA. On testing we saw great results but not

that much clinically. (We did see a big leap the first couple of months of

PCA-RX.) We decided to try the Cutler Protocol. We do have a DAN! doc that

we still see. She knows we are doing it. She is not knowledgeable about

the protocol but she supports us trying it. Money has become a big issue

for us. We've been doing aggressive biomedical interventions and private

ABA school with our son for four to five years. As a result, we are beyond

broke. Our son is still nonverbal and severely affected by autism.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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On Behalf Of hoovermcdowell

Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:00 PM

Subject: [ ] Question about at home chelation that will make a

lot of people mad

Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

in this group mad,

I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

because I feel like I am missing out on something.

* Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

guiding them through this process?>

I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

* Money

* Lack of Doctors with knowledge

* ?

Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

Thank you

Deana

[Guest guest]

THank you so much

<sage@...> wrote: Doesn't make me mad at all. We all

choose what we feel is best

for us.

I think the reasons some people choose not to work with doctors

include repeated bad experiences with doctors, limited funds

(especially after the repeated bad experiences), finding much

better help in groups like this...that sort of thing.

I am a chelating adult, and I do use professionals (doctors and

other practitioners) for various services. However, the information

that has been most effective (and has not hurt me) is what I have

learned here and in other online forums. I received a lot of advice

from a lot of docs and others over the years. Some of it was

helpful, but a lot has caused problems or was ineffective. I have

learned far more useful information here and have made far more

progress.

I think people's experience with doctors depends a lot on how toxic

they or their kid(s) are to begin with, as well as how toxicity is

affecting their body. Some problems are difficult to address and a

person may have to look around a lot to find a doctor, or an online

forum that has some answers that begin to work for them (or at least

doesn't make matters worse) - and then they may have to look around

some more to find a solution to the next problem, and so on.

If things are going well with your doctor and you are getting

the help you feel you need, that is terrific!

--

>

> Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

> in this group mad,

> I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

> because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

> guiding them through this process?>

>

> I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> * Money

> * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> * ?

> Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

> fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

> I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

> So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

>

> Thank you

> Deana

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response!!

Deana

santiago <dirtpoor101@...> wrote:

Your right I would never do this alone

I too have a DAN protocol Doctor

I am just going to start my first round this weekend

but I will keep close tabs and check with my doctor

hoovermcdowell <hoovermcdowell@...> wrote:

Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

in this group mad,

I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

because I feel like I am missing out on something.

* Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

guiding them through this process?>

I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

* Money

* Lack of Doctors with knowledge

* ?

Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

Thank you

Deana

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Thank you so much!!

Tikki Garrido <tikkihut1@...> wrote: Amen!!!!!

Karyn <klmitch@...> wrote: Our reasons were money, and lack of docs that

were knowledgeable. One of the bigger reasons is because it's labeled " voodoo "

and I didn't want DFACS beating down my door to take my child!!!! People

thinking you're crazy as hell is one thing, doing something that would give them

ammunition or the ability to misconstrue anything to prove you're crazy is

another. All the while remembering that most people do not live in our world and

most likely do not feel that our kids can be helped; this mind set will most

certainly lead a parent to do things on the sly with alot of research, prayer

and support from others who are in the same boat.

Just my 2 cents and experience.....

klm

[ ] Question about at home chelation that will make a lot

of people mad

Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

in this group mad,

I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

because I feel like I am missing out on something.

* Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

guiding them through this process?>

I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

* Money

* Lack of Doctors with knowledge

* ?

Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

Thank you

Deana

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--For me, the main reason is $$$, but I learned when my now 15 year

old son was 5 that I would be better off not listening to the doctors,

who shook their heads sympathetically as if to say, " This poor woman

actually believes her son may someday have a life. " I decided at that

point...

" I am on my own. " There are alot of knowledgeable homeopaths,

etc.these days in my area, But REALLY out for the BUCK! which I don't

have.

If we don't have hope and faith enough to try what some people

consider unconventional treatments(not FDA approved)...GEE Vaccines

are FDA approved, aren't they, as well as Amalgams??? Our kids would

have no chance. I still believe that my son can have his life back,

although he has missed out on his childhood...and I believe that

chelation is THE treatment that just may do it, in time. Almost EVERY

treatment I have tried for my son, I have done it without being under

a doctors care. Mainly because my son's Medicaid doctor thinks it is

all a waste of time and that Autism is permanent. I believe in cause

and effect. Something caused his " autism " and it CAN be reversed...But

I have no choice of doctors, So the ONLY time my kids see the doc is

when they are very ill, which is never, because we use natural

supplements,antioxidants and remedies-not drugs.

Lindy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In , " Jan "

<paxlforme@...> wrote:

>

> Deana,

> Why we chelate on our own: It's elementary really, NO ONE would help

> us! I was told that I was paranoid and the the lead in my son was

> not harmful. That there was no way the mercury shots and fillings in

> myself and my daugher were making us sick. I was told to take

> antidepressants and not worry about it. I had doctors humor me, or

> nod in agreement that what I was saying made sense, but none of them

> wanted to risk scrutiny in the medical community by helping us

> chelate. Most did not even want to do any testing to rule it out.

> The one and only doctor in our area who chelates follows a protocol

> that is not safe, and charges a lot of money for that protocol.

> Chelation under Andy's protocol is really quite simple once you

> learn about it. The supplements and such are basic. I did the

> research on what is out there to help metal poisoning. What was

> safe, what was bs...this makes sense.

>

> I could not stand by and watch my children's lives be ruined like

> mine was by chronic metal toxicity. It was robbing them of their

> happiness, their ability to learn, and their ability to thrive. It

> will rob them of their future..unless as their mother I stepped up

> to help them. No one will protect your kids like you will. While

> having a doc might be useful for some poeple and some things. For

> us, straight forward metal poisoning, which did not take a doctors

> degree to treat or understand. By the way any docs I saw, did not

> beleive metal poisoning existed anymore.

> I have done 10 rounds on my PDD son, who by the way saw the Dev. Ped

> in July and is not PDD anymore. Thanks to me. If I had listened to

> mainstream medicine, likely he would be worse and with permanant

> damage. I think it is wonderful for those who are able to find

> medical doctors to help them. For us that wasn't going to happen,

> and I could not sit by and watch my beautiful little boy continue to

> withdraw into himself. Rather than spent money on someone telling me

> what I already know, I chose to use the money to pay for the actual

> treatment. I have not regretted my decision. I watch my kids improve

> with each round and still amazed that it can be that simple. By the

> way, I am not mad that you asked!

>

>

> > >

> > > Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of

> people

> > > in this group mad,

> > > I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the

> answer

> > > because I feel like I am missing out on something.

> > > * Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a

> doctor

> > > guiding them through this process?>

> > >

> > > I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

> > > * Money

> > > * Lack of Doctors with knowledge

> > > * ?

> > > Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

> > > Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

> > > natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

> > > available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

> > > Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails

> with

> > > fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read

> > read.

> > > I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just

> curious.

> > > So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > > Deana

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I can't afford to not help my son, but I can't afford to take 3 hr trips, which

would include days off from work, or the visit costs

Deana Hoover <hoovermcdowell@...> wrote: Thank you so much!!

Tikki Garrido <tikkihut1@...> wrote: Amen!!!!!

Karyn <klmitch@...> wrote: Our reasons were money, and lack of docs that

were knowledgeable. One of the bigger reasons is because it's labeled " voodoo "

and I didn't want DFACS beating down my door to take my child!!!! People

thinking you're crazy as hell is one thing, doing something that would give them

ammunition or the ability to misconstrue anything to prove you're crazy is

another. All the while remembering that most people do not live in our world and

most likely do not feel that our kids can be helped; this mind set will most

certainly lead a parent to do things on the sly with alot of research, prayer

and support from others who are in the same boat.

Just my 2 cents and experience.....

klm

[ ] Question about at home chelation that will make a lot

of people mad

Ok. I gotta ask this question. I know it will make a lot of people

in this group mad,

I am not asking this to do this, I really want to know the answer

because I feel like I am missing out on something.

* Why are parents doing Chelation Therapy alone, without a doctor

guiding them through this process?>

I am thinking it could be because of different Reasons:

* Money

* Lack of Doctors with knowledge

* ?

Once my son was diagnosed and I made the decision with Chelation

Therapy, I knew I couldnt do it alone. I researched and found a

natural doctor that is walking me through step by step. She is

available via phone, office,email to me 24/7.

Please note I do tons of my own research and exchange emails with

fellow members from this group and others. As well as read read read.

I am not trying to cut down or belittle anyone, I am just curious.

So please dont take this post as any thing negative,

Thank you

Deana

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