Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 > > I don't know about all of you, but whether or not to use supplementary glutathione has been my nemesis for about a year. > Not for me, because I've read posts from people who have worsened with glutathione. > Andy and Dr. Geier insist supplementing does nothing because mercury blocks it's uptake...worse, it will give you a stomach ache. If it is taken orally glutathione just gets digested, not absorbed. If it is given transdermally or by IV it can make some people much, much worse. There are plenty of reports in archives from people who have reported significant worsening of symptoms with glutathione. Once the mercury is removed, glutathione should raise on it's own. > > Dr. Usman, our DAN, as well as Dr. Bradstreet and many others I heard at Autism One insist that glutathione is necessary for detox, even using it intravenously some times. > If only they would listen to some of the reports from adults who have worsened with glutathione ivs. > It's been very confusing. > > Well, since we have used Andy's protocol to recover our daughter (and yes, she is what one would consider recovered)...and he has yet to steer me wrong....I decided to listen to Andy and forego using it. > > Here's the verdict. > > After looking at her initial glutathione levels prior to chelating (last February 05) versus now (after 35 rounds)...her glutathione has SUBSTANTIALLY risen on it's own. Dr. Usman would still like to see it higher, but the point is... > > Andy was right. Again. Chelating caused her glutathione levels to rise. > > My question now would be...if she can uptake it now that much mercury has been removed, should I try adding it? Does that make sense? > See page 43 and 155 of andy's 'Amalgam Illness' book. http://www.noamalgam.com/ Glutathione can be increased by supplementing precursors - NAC, glutamine, and glycine. That's the strategy I have been using since my plasma cysteine was tested to be low. Also try using onibasu to search for Andy's posts. Vitamin C, 4 x per day and vitamin E (and other antioxidants) help to prevent the limited glutathione that is there from getting used up too quickly. J > Anyway, thanks for any input. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 I can't add anything to this but I have found the information I get out of groups like this far better than doctor advise, even good doctors, as 'we' are in the midst of doing these things and sharing the results and tips and what seemed to work and what didn't. I don't know about you all but since getting sick a couple years ago, I spend about 4 hours a day discussing similar subjects and reading on topics like this, and experience is the best teacher. Find someone or group of people that has been successful, you will get better information than best doctor but good doctors can be a great resource also. --- julieobradovic@... wrote: > I don't know about all of you, but whether or > not to use supplementary glutathione has been > my nemesis for about a year. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 > My question now would be...if she can uptake it now that much mercury has been removed, should I try adding it? Does that make sense? > If I'm understanding your post correctly: You followed the advice of someone you trust and the results were excellent. Now you want to do the opposite of this recommendation? No, that doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2006 Report Share Posted July 18, 2006 > > > > I don't know about all of you, but whether or not to use > supplementary glutathione has been my nemesis for about a year. > > > > > > > > Not for me, because I've read posts from people who have worsened with > glutathione. > > > > > > > > Andy and Dr. Geier insist supplementing does nothing because mercury > blocks it's uptake...worse, it will give you a stomach ache. > > > > > > If it is taken orally glutathione just gets digested, not absorbed. > > If it is given transdermally or by IV it can make some people much, > much worse. There are plenty of reports in archives from people who > have reported significant worsening of symptoms with glutathione. > > > > > > > > Once the mercury is removed, glutathione should raise on it's own. > > > > Dr. Usman, our DAN, as well as Dr. Bradstreet and many others I > heard at Autism One insist that glutathione is necessary for detox, > even using it intravenously some times. > > > > > > > If only they would listen to some of the reports from adults who have > worsened with glutathione ivs. > > > > > > > > > It's been very confusing. > > > > Well, since we have used Andy's protocol to recover our daughter > (and yes, she is what one would consider recovered)...and he has yet > to steer me wrong....I decided to listen to Andy and forego using it. > > > > Here's the verdict. > > > > After looking at her initial glutathione levels prior to chelating > (last February 05) versus now (after 35 rounds)...her glutathione has > SUBSTANTIALLY risen on it's own. Dr. Usman would still like to see it > higher, but the point is... > > > > Andy was right. Again. Chelating caused her glutathione levels to rise. > > > > My question now would be...if she can uptake it now that much > mercury has been removed, should I try adding it? Does that make sense? > > > > > > > See page 43 and 155 of andy's 'Amalgam Illness' book. > > http://www.noamalgam.com/ > > Glutathione can be increased by supplementing precursors - NAC, > glutamine, and glycine. That's the strategy I have been using since > my plasma cysteine was tested to be low. > > Also try using onibasu to search for Andy's posts. > > Vitamin C, 4 x per day and vitamin E (and other antioxidants) help to > prevent the limited glutathione that is there from getting used up too > quickly. > > J > > > > > > Anyway, thanks for any input. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 I think the lesson learned here, as it is with most biomed supplements and ASD kids, is there is no one fit for everyone. Trial and error. > > > > > > I don't know about all of you, but whether or not to use > > supplementary glutathione has been my nemesis for about a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not for me, because I've read posts from people who have worsened > with > > glutathione. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andy and Dr. Geier insist supplementing does nothing because > mercury > > blocks it's uptake...worse, it will give you a stomach ache. > > > > > > > > > > > > If it is taken orally glutathione just gets digested, not absorbed. > > > > If it is given transdermally or by IV it can make some people much, > > much worse. There are plenty of reports in archives from people who > > have reported significant worsening of symptoms with glutathione. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the mercury is removed, glutathione should raise on it's own. > > > > > > Dr. Usman, our DAN, as well as Dr. Bradstreet and many others I > > heard at Autism One insist that glutathione is necessary for detox, > > even using it intravenously some times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > If only they would listen to some of the reports from adults who > have > > worsened with glutathione ivs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's been very confusing. > > > > > > Well, since we have used Andy's protocol to recover our daughter > > (and yes, she is what one would consider recovered)...and he has yet > > to steer me wrong....I decided to listen to Andy and forego using > it. > > > > > > Here's the verdict. > > > > > > After looking at her initial glutathione levels prior to chelating > > (last February 05) versus now (after 35 rounds)...her glutathione > has > > SUBSTANTIALLY risen on it's own. Dr. Usman would still like to see > it > > higher, but the point is... > > > > > > Andy was right. Again. Chelating caused her glutathione levels to > rise. > > > > > > My question now would be...if she can uptake it now that much > > mercury has been removed, should I try adding it? Does that make > sense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > See page 43 and 155 of andy's 'Amalgam Illness' book. > > > > http://www.noamalgam.com/ > > > > Glutathione can be increased by supplementing precursors - NAC, > > glutamine, and glycine. That's the strategy I have been using since > > my plasma cysteine was tested to be low. > > > > Also try using onibasu to search for Andy's posts. > > > > Vitamin C, 4 x per day and vitamin E (and other antioxidants) help > to > > prevent the limited glutathione that is there from getting used up > too > > quickly. > > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, thanks for any input. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 My intepretation of Andy and the Geiers' was that it wasn't useful before because the mercury was blocking it's uptake, and you would just be adding it for nothing... But now that some mercury has been removed, it could be uptaken? That's where I'm confused. So the better question is... Is it EVER useful to supplement, such as when mercury is not blocking it's uptake? Or is it ALWAYS unuseful, regardless of whether there's mercury or not? I will check the files too. Thanks. -------------- Original message -------------- From: " booshkazoom " <booshkazoom@...> > My question now would be...if she can uptake it now that much mercury has been removed, should I try adding it? Does that make sense? > If I'm understanding your post correctly: You followed the advice of someone you trust and the results were excellent. Now you want to do the opposite of this recommendation? No, that doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 > My question now would be...if she can uptake it now that much mercury has been removed, should I try adding it? Does that make sense? After my son was fully chelated [with ALA], I tried adding oral glutathione. It helped for two weeks, then it caused problems. I removed it and my son was much better. So you may or may not want to add it, but you might not need it for very long. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 The reason Andy gives for avoiding glutathione IV is that many people have serious exacerbations, not always immediate. The reason he gives for avoiding non-IV glutathione, is that unless a person is low plasma cysteine, it will move mercury around. In the case of low plasma cysteine, it can be tried, but should not be continued if it causes problems. I think he would recommend taking glutathione precursors (NAC or the combo of NAC/glycine/glutamine) before trying glutathione, but I'm not positive. ALA increases glutathione levels. Read more at: http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html#sulfur -- > > My intepretation of Andy and the Geiers' was that it wasn't useful before because the mercury was blocking it's uptake, and you would just be adding it for nothing... > > But now that some mercury has been removed, it could be uptaken? That's where I'm confused. So the better question is... > > Is it EVER useful to supplement, such as when mercury is not blocking it's uptake? Or is it ALWAYS unuseful, regardless of whether there's mercury or not? > > I will check the files too. > > Thanks. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " booshkazoom " <booshkazoom@...> > > > > My question now would be...if she can uptake it now that much > mercury has been removed, should I try adding it? Does that make sense? > > > > If I'm understanding your post correctly: You followed the advice of > someone you trust and the results were excellent. Now you want to do > the opposite of this recommendation? No, that doesn't make sense. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 I have been following this thread and am trying to understand it. My 5 1/2 year old son had the plasma cysteine and sulfate test done by Genova Diagnostics. His results are: plasma, cysteine 3.56 normal range 3.10-3.90 plasma sulfate 4.30 normal range 4.80-5.30 what exactly do these results mean? We were using Td-Glutathione and it seemed to help and then we went through an unusual period, so we stopped using it. After reading the below message, I am wondering if it was moving mercury around. And what does the lowish sulfate result mean? He needs more? Thanks for your help. Kathy > > > > My intepretation of Andy and the Geiers' was that it wasn't useful > before because the mercury was blocking it's uptake, and you would > just be adding it for nothing... > > > > But now that some mercury has been removed, it could be uptaken? > That's where I'm confused. So the better question is... > > > > Is it EVER useful to supplement, such as when mercury is not > blocking it's uptake? Or is it ALWAYS unuseful, regardless of whether > there's mercury or not? > > > > I will check the files too. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: " booshkazoom " <booshkazoom@> > > > > > > > My question now would be...if she can uptake it now that much > > mercury has been removed, should I try adding it? Does that make sense? > > > > > > > If I'm understanding your post correctly: You followed the advice of > > someone you trust and the results were excellent. Now you want to do > > the opposite of this recommendation? No, that doesn't make sense. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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