Re: Doctor's opinion

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In a message dated 6/3/2002 11:52:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

silver_lunar_2000@... writes:

> I have all the symptoms of hypothyroidisim but my doctor said that i

> don't have it. It's very frustrated..

>

> I was on birth controll on and off for a few years, and I went off

> in January and haven't have my period since. However, I started to

> gain weight rapidly, 20 lbs in 2 months, and started to feel tired,

> puffness around my eyes, cheek, .... etc.

>

> Here is my lab:

> TSH 1.22

>

Cheyenne,

Yes, this has happened to several of us here. I went untreated for hypoT for

30 years for this same reason--my TSH tests never went out of range yet I had

all the symptoms and kept getting worse. My doc, DeOrio in Santa

, has been the first doc I've ever been to who believed me and put me

on medicine. He can run expensive if you try all his alternative treatments

but he is a very good holistic doc with a lot to offer and very good clinical

skills. I'm on a budget since he's not on my health plan, so I buy a few of

his alternative treatments but most importantly, he writes me script for

medicine that has made me well for the first time since I was 20!

Here's his info: DeOrio, M.D., 310-828-3096, 1821 Wilshire Blvd, Santa

, CA, 90403

Here, also is a list of more holistically minded docs t/o CA. I got them

from the 's Thyroid Syndrome list (which is what my diagnosis is).

's may not be your label, but these docs will be more open minded and

more willing to treat you, the person, not your lab test numbers.

Good luck, in LA (list follows)

Dr.

2211 Corinth Ave., #204

Los Angeles, CA 90064

(310) 966-9194

Carson, N.D.

2496 E Street, Suite 300

San Diego, CA 92102

(619) 236-8285

Cathcart, MD

127 2nd St., Unit #4

Los Altos, CA 94022

(650) 949-2822

Deckert, DO

1347 Tavern Rd.

Alpine, CA 91901-3820

(619) 445-6551

Dr. DeOrio

1821 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 100

Santa , CA 90403

(310) 828-3096

Dr. Dreibelbis

13420 Newport Ave.

Tustin, CA 92780

(714) 544-6050

Geoffrey V. Drew, MD, FAAFP

430 E. Ave. de los Arboles #203

Thousand Oaks, CA 91360

805-492-1015

Freeman, MD

PMS Treatment Clinic

150 N. Santa Anita, #755

Arcadia, CA 91006

800-999-3767

K. Gerard, MD

NuLife Medical Center

8881 Fletcher Parkway, #255

La Mesa, CA 91942

619-337-9993

Dr. Gracer

5401 Norris Canyon Road, Suite 102

San Ramon, CA 94583

(925) 277-1100

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

1125 South Beverly Dr., Suite 600

Beverly Hills, CA 90035

310-541-7115

Jace Medical Group

10843 Magnolia Blvd., #1

North Hollywood, CA

Dr. Ron Kennedy

2448 Guerneville Rd., Suite 800

Santa , CA 95403-7228

(707) 576-0100

Dr. Francine M. s, DC

26135 Carmel Rancho Blvd., Suite F-24

Carmel, CA 93923

(831) 624-5157

Mitzner, D.O.

Vintage Medical Group

27625 Jefferson Ave., Suite 101

Temecula, CA 92590

909-676-3748

Dr. Larry

31 Winham St.

Salinas, CA 93901

(831) 771-0244

Dr. Press, MD

172 El Dorado St.

Monterey, CA 93940-3118

(408) 373-1551

Hitendra Shah, MD

22807 Barton

Grand Terrace, CA 92313

(909) 783-2773

Terri L. Snyder, Family Nurse Practitioner

Healing Touch Center For Health and Well Being

35424 Hwy. 41

Coarsegold, CA 93614

559-683-7377

, MD

325 S. Moorpark Rd.

Thousand Oaks, CA 91361

(805) 497-3839

Dr. Ernest

777 Knowles Drive

Los Gatos, CA 95030

408-378-2552

T. Webber, MD

5059 Newport Ave., Suite 205

San Diego, CA 92107

(619) 224-3225

Dr. Wempen

14795 Rd., Suite 101

Irvine, CA 92618

(949) 551-8751

Dr. Yang's Family Care

10201 Mission Gorge Rd.

Santee, CA 92071

619-596-4965

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In a message dated 9/11/2006 11:51:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

carla925@... writes:

The real cause maybe that he is still angry

that when he cried to be fed at around 3 months old, I didn't give him a

bottle quick enough! There must have been a lot of that going around in

the 90s!

Who knew?? Do you think Dr. Phil can talk him out of his autism?

Wow, see I knew all this vaccine damage, biomed type stuff was nonsense.

Maybe if I apologize to my son for taking too long to make him a bottle, and

for making him cry it out in his crib he'll be better?? I'm going to go start

this now so maybe he'll forgive me by the weekend and we can have a nice

normal family outing.

So are you dropping this dr or what?

Kerrie

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In a message dated 9/11/2006 9:09:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ratlenhum@... writes:

Wow, see I knew all this vaccine damage, biomed type stuff was nonsense.

Maybe if I apologize to my son for taking too long to make him a bottle, and

for making him cry it out in his crib he'll be better?? I'm going to go

start

this now so maybe he'll forgive me by the weekend and we can have a nice

normal family outing.

So are you dropping this dr or what?

Kerrie

No...I think I'll just stop pursuing all the biomed stuff and drop my plans

for chelation. Instead I'm going to buy him as much pizza as he wants and

try to make it up to him for denying that bottle on demand! Maybe someday

he'll forgive me!

The sad part is that when I had my second son last year (he's 16 months) I

told my older son's pediatrician (completely different doctor) that I was

going to be very cautious and not give him any shots...at least before he's 3

or

4 years old... if at all. He's not pushing the shots, but told me as he was

walking in to see his next patient to just be sure to talk to my younger son.

(Was that implying that I didn't talk to my older son??) I guess they like

to shift the blame when in reality the worst thing I ever did as a mother

was making sure my son was fully immunized according to the doctor's schedule!

Carla

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Carla,

Oh God, I am so sorry that you had this experience. I think that doc

was not fed on time as an infant. I have taken care of hundreds of

babies, and never has one not been fed in a reasonable amount of

time. What a load! I don't know if you have had a hair test done for

your son through DDI or not, but my daughter is 11 and had those

same shots...she shows mercury poisoning. Seizures are not

psychiatric, as in metally induced. They are chemical. You and I

know that, and on amount of counseling is going to reverse that. I

have read that seizures can be related to high copper levels but I

am sure other metals can be a problem too. Most metal poisoned

brains look healthy on MRI. I am sorry to say, but I have seen many

neurologist in my day for serious migraines, and most of them were

bogus. One of them put me in the hospital with her experimental

treatments. I have never heard of infantile envy in my entire life!

If that were the case every baby boomer would have what your son

has, as scheduled feedings were the normal practice that " good

mothers " followed in the 50's. I had my baby in the 90's and it was

feed on demand! Gosh, that must mean that all the babies in third

world countries who cannot be fed whenever they are hungry, because

there is a lack of food have seizures...Uh!

I certainly would not see this doc again. Most docs now days can at

least say that autism is caused by something, besided bottle envy!

>

> I just had to share how my neurologist appointment went today for

my 13-year

> old son who was dx'd with PDD/NOS at 3 years old. Since his MRI

showed his

> brain looks very healthy inspite of the seizures he developed

last December,

> the doc thinks maybe his condition is psychiatric. She wants a

full psych

> evaluation b/c apparently he may have developed infantile envy

caused from when

> he was 3 months old and was not fed on demand. Although I

assured her that

> I have an Italian mother and not eating was never an issue for

him, she still

> would like the evaluation. Even though she agreed the mercury in

all the

> shots given to him back in the early 90s were very bad, more than

likely that

> was not the cause of his autism. The real cause maybe that he is

still angry

> that when he cried to be fed at around 3 months old, I didn't

give him a

> bottle quick enough! There must have been a lot of that going

around in the 90s!

> Who knew?? Do you think Dr. Phil can talk him out of his autism?

>

> Carla

>

>

>

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>

> I just had to share how my neurologist appointment went today for my

13-year

> old son who was dx'd with PDD/NOS at 3 years old. Since his MRI

showed his

> brain looks very healthy inspite of the seizures he developed last

December,

> the doc thinks maybe his condition is psychiatric. She wants a

full psych

> evaluation b/c apparently he may have developed infantile envy

caused from when

> he was 3 months old and was not fed on demand.

Sounds like the neuro is the one who needs a shrink.

Neuros are a pathetic lot.

J

Although I assured her that

> I have an Italian mother and not eating was never an issue for him,

she still

> would like the evaluation. Even though she agreed the mercury in

all the

> shots given to him back in the early 90s were very bad, more than

likely that

> was not the cause of his autism. The real cause maybe that he is

still angry

> that when he cried to be fed at around 3 months old, I didn't give

him a

> bottle quick enough! There must have been a lot of that going

around in the 90s!

> Who knew?? Do you think Dr. Phil can talk him out of his autism?

>

> Carla

>

>

>

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----- Original Message -----

From: lindajaytee

Sounds like the neuro is the one who needs a shrink.

Neuros are a pathetic lot.

**Sounds like the neuro wants to be a shrink. Tell her to stick to the

worthless things she does and let the shrinks stick to the worthless things they

do to these kids.***

J

Although I assured her that

> I have an Italian mother and not eating was never an issue for him,

she still

> would like the evaluation. Even though she agreed the mercury in

all the

> shots given to him back in the early 90s were very bad, more than

likely that

> was not the cause of his autism. The real cause maybe that he is

still angry

> that when he cried to be fed at around 3 months old, I didn't give

him a

> bottle quick enough! There must have been a lot of that going

around in the 90s!

> Who knew?? Do you think Dr. Phil can talk him out of his autism?

>

> Carla

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps SHE should be evaluated for " 1940s Syndrome " .

What a load of hooey. Jerry Springer can talk him out of it.

Pam

>

> I just had to share how my neurologist appointment went today for

my 13-year

> old son who was dx'd with PDD/NOS at 3 years old. Since his MRI

showed his

> brain looks very healthy inspite of the seizures he developed

last December,

> the doc thinks maybe his condition is psychiatric. She wants a

full psych

> evaluation b/c apparently he may have developed infantile envy

caused from when

> he was 3 months old and was not fed on demand. Although I

assured her that

> I have an Italian mother and not eating was never an issue for

him, she still

> would like the evaluation. Even though she agreed the mercury in

all the

> shots given to him back in the early 90s were very bad, more than

likely that

> was not the cause of his autism. The real cause maybe that he is

still angry

> that when he cried to be fed at around 3 months old, I didn't

give him a

> bottle quick enough! There must have been a lot of that going

around in the 90s!

> Who knew?? Do you think Dr. Phil can talk him out of his autism?

>

> Carla

>

>

>

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Thank you! I'll check out those posts!!

Carla

In a message dated 9/12/2006 11:16:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,

joshisims@... writes:

Since when did neurologists start moonlighting as amateur freudian

psychoanalists? Doesn't your doctor have enough work to keep her

busy within her *own* area of training? Perhaps she doen't know that

the Bettelheim autism model she alludes to was thoroughly and forever

discredited about 40 years ago.

Some people report that MRI's don't show classic seizure activity,

but also are not normal. If you can get a copy of the actual

results, you may be able to get someone's help looking for *any

abnormal activity.

Here are some good posts by Andy Cutler on MRI's from the archives:

_http://onibasu.http://onibashttp://onihttp_

(http://onibasu.com/archives/am/158356.html)

_http://onibasu.http://onibashttp://onhttp_

(http://onibasu.com/archives/am/42995.html)

_http://onibasu.http://onibashttp://onihttp_

(http://onibasu.com/archives/am/133234.html)

I'm sure there are other helpful posts, I just ran out of time...

So sorry that you encountered such a wiener for a neurologist, Carla.

take care

René

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Since when did neurologists start moonlighting as amateur freudian

psychoanalists? Doesn't your doctor have enough work to keep her

busy within her *own* area of training? Perhaps she doen't know that

the Bettelheim autism model she alludes to was thoroughly and forever

discredited about 40 years ago.

Some people report that MRI's don't show classic seizure activity,

but also are not normal. If you can get a copy of the actual

results, you may be able to get someone's help looking for *any

abnormal activity.

Here are some good posts by Andy Cutler on MRI's from the archives:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/158356.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/42995.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/133234.html

I'm sure there are other helpful posts, I just ran out of time...

So sorry that you encountered such a wiener for a neurologist, Carla.

take care

René

>

Since his MRI showed his

> brain looks very healthy inspite of the seizures he developed last

December,

> the doc thinks maybe his condition is psychiatric. She wants a

full psych

> evaluation b/c apparently he may have developed infantile envy

caused from when

> he was 3 months old and was not fed on demand.

[Guest guest]

> Neuros are a pathetic lot.

Aren't they though? I wonder what it is about the specialty that

attracts the clueless with such regularity.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Autism was origianlly said to be caused by " refrigarator " mothers.......Can you

imagine how awful.......Thanks alot to Bernard Rimalnd for uncovering this lie.

The therapy used to be to give the child a doll and the kid would pretend the

doll eas the mother and act out on it.............Crazy Maybe your MD has

this belief Get rid of him QUICK Jen

carla925@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/11/2006 9:09:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ratlenhum@... writes:

Wow, see I knew all this vaccine damage, biomed type stuff was nonsense.

Maybe if I apologize to my son for taking too long to make him a bottle, and

for making him cry it out in his crib he'll be better?? I'm going to go

start

this now so maybe he'll forgive me by the weekend and we can have a nice

normal family outing.

So are you dropping this dr or what?

Kerrie

No...I think I'll just stop pursuing all the biomed stuff and drop my plans

for chelation. Instead I'm going to buy him as much pizza as he wants and

try to make it up to him for denying that bottle on demand! Maybe someday

he'll forgive me!

The sad part is that when I had my second son last year (he's 16 months) I

told my older son's pediatrician (completely different doctor) that I was

going to be very cautious and not give him any shots...at least before he's 3

or

4 years old... if at all. He's not pushing the shots, but told me as he was

walking in to see his next patient to just be sure to talk to my younger son.

(Was that implying that I didn't talk to my older son??) I guess they like

to shift the blame when in reality the worst thing I ever did as a mother

was making sure my son was fully immunized according to the doctor's

schedule!

Carla

[Guest guest]

Well, I can't sit idly by and allow this unwarranted bashing of this fine

professional to continue !

Our ASD son was diagnosed with the exact same problem and with a rigorous

program of many dozens of additional sessions as well as referrals to other

highly trained specialists in related fields, and following a program of

forcibly re-introducing feeding bottles and then slowly weaning him back off

over many months we were able to completely cure him of ALL symptoms !

Turns out that the Mercury had Nothing to do with it ... Who Knew ?!?!?!

No need to follow this Andy Cutler hogwash !

Neil

[Guest guest]

This is either a rare case or you are a rare (im?)poster. Autism is

nothing but mercury poisoning. Earlier it is used to be caused by the

medicine " Calomel " used in teething problems of children which was

almost completely mercury, the mercury used in treating syphillis

that caused genetic autism and now mercury in vaccines and dental

amalgams are playing their part.

Finest profession indeed !! That pushes mercury, carcinogens and

known neurotoxins into infants !!

Jagannath.

>

> Well, I can't sit idly by and allow this unwarranted bashing of

this fine

> professional to continue !

>

>

>

> Our ASD son was diagnosed with the exact same problem and with a

rigorous

> program of many dozens of additional sessions as well as referrals

to other

> highly trained specialists in related fields, and following a

program of

> forcibly re-introducing feeding bottles and then slowly weaning him

back off

> over many months we were able to completely cure him of ALL

symptoms !

>

>

>

> Turns out that the Mercury had Nothing to do with it ... Who

Knew ?!?!?!

>

>

>

> No need to follow this Andy Cutler hogwash !

>

>

>

> Neil

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- jagchat01 <jagchat01@...> wrote:

>

> This is either a rare case or you are a rare

> (im?)poster. Autism is

> nothing but mercury poisoning.

There are different causes of Autism aside from

Mercury poisoning (ie diet).

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have a question. I had my daughter tested for metals (blood test). It came

back fine. I heard hair tests were more accurate so I plan to do that test

soon. But I was surprised everything was fine on the test. There are a lot of

symptoms in the family that may have been diagnosed today but things were

different 30 years ago. So if there is no mercury poisoning does my daughter

not have autism? Is is genetic? Either way she responded to the gfcf diet so I

will continue that.

jagchat01 <jagchat01@...> wrote:

This is either a rare case or you are a rare (im?)poster. Autism is

nothing but mercury poisoning. Earlier it is used to be caused by the

medicine " Calomel " used in teething problems of children which was

almost completely mercury, the mercury used in treating syphillis

that caused genetic autism and now mercury in vaccines and dental

amalgams are playing their part.

Finest profession indeed !! That pushes mercury, carcinogens and

known neurotoxins into infants !!

Jagannath.

>

> Well, I can't sit idly by and allow this unwarranted bashing of

this fine

> professional to continue !

>

>

>

> Our ASD son was diagnosed with the exact same problem and with a

rigorous

> program of many dozens of additional sessions as well as referrals

to other

> highly trained specialists in related fields, and following a

program of

> forcibly re-introducing feeding bottles and then slowly weaning him

back off

> over many months we were able to completely cure him of ALL

symptoms !

>

>

>

> Turns out that the Mercury had Nothing to do with it ... Who

Knew ?!?!?!

>

>

>

> No need to follow this Andy Cutler hogwash !

>

>

>

> Neil

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, blood tests almost never show chronic metal toxicity, the

kind that most of us are dealing with here. They can be useful for

some cases of recent, acute exposure (ie. industrial accidents,

etc). Hair tests *are very helpful - make sure to get a DDI Hair

Elements Test so that it can be interpreted by the counting rules

Andy Cutler worked out.

While it's true that heavy metals, esp. mercury and lead, are very

often implicated in autism (different sources say that around 75% of

children improve with chelation - a huge percentage), there can be

other reasons for autistic behaviour. Consider viruses, bacteria,

and many other environmental contaminants (I've been obsessed with

VOC's and mold lately). More often than not there are a number of

factors at play. I don't think that people who say " Autism is ALWAYS

because of --- " are very credible.

Genetics can directly cause certain forms of autism -like disorders

like Fragile X, Rett's Syndrome, etc., though this is quite rare.

Take care

René

>

> I have a question. I had my daughter tested for metals (blood

test). It came back fine. I heard hair tests were more accurate so

I plan to do that test soon. But I was surprised everything was fine

on the test. There are a lot of symptoms in the family that may have

been diagnosed today but things were different 30 years ago. So if

there is no mercury poisoning does my daughter not have autism? Is

is genetic? Either way she responded to the gfcf diet so I will

continue that.

[Guest guest]

Rene,

Thank you for the archive posts. That was helpful!!

Carla

In a message dated 9/12/2006 11:16:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,

joshisims@... writes:

Since when did neurologists start moonlighting as amateur freudian

psychoanalists? Doesn't your doctor have enough work to keep her

busy within her *own* area of training? Perhaps she doen't know that

the Bettelheim autism model she alludes to was thoroughly and forever

discredited about 40 years ago.

Some people report that MRI's don't show classic seizure activity,

but also are not normal. If you can get a copy of the actual

results, you may be able to get someone's help looking for *any

abnormal activity.

Here are some good posts by Andy Cutler on MRI's from the archives:

_http://onibasu.http://onibashttp://onihttp_

(http://onibasu.com/archives/am/158356.html)

_http://onibasu.http://onibashttp://onhttp_

(http://onibasu.com/archives/am/42995.html)

_http://onibasu.http://onibashttp://onihttp_

(http://onibasu.com/archives/am/133234.html)

I'm sure there are other helpful posts, I just ran out of time...

So sorry that you encountered such a wiener for a neurologist, Carla.

take care

René