Re: please help me refute flu vaccine info

November 27, 2006

They've obviously been brainwashed and are trying to cover themselves. Save the

letter and consider sending a copy any of various organizations and people who

know the truth. If you wish to send them something, there are many medical

dictionaries, chemistry books, and other sources which state that mercury is

poisonous. Or you could send them a copy of Evidence of Harm, but seems more

worthwhile to send a copy to someone who would actually read it. Consider

directing your energy into something positive, as this seems like hitting one's

head against a brink wall. We know the brick wall doesn't belong there, but it

is.

If there's someone at your local TV station who does investigative reporting

that you trust to report the truth you could send it to them with your thoughts.

Consider sending the Health Dept. the challenge for an doctor to take the

current vaccine regimen for some big amount of money. Nobody will do it so far.

Or better yet have the TV station present them with the challenge and report

their reponse on the air...

S S

I received this ridiculous letter from the AR Dept of health in

response to

my letter questioning the current flu vaccine push (to pregnant women and

children as well!). Please, could any of you help me refute some of the

points of this letter? I cannot let this stand without a rebuttal. I just

want to be sure that I am speaking with facts & not just emotion. Thanks so

much for any help you can provide,

Dear Mr. and Mrs Elsass,

The Arkansas Division of Health is very sorry that you have a child with

autism. Our highest mission at the Arkansas Division of Health is

protecting the health and well being of all Americans, starting with our

children. We would never recommend any vaccine be given to children or any

person if there were sound, scientific evidence it could be harmful.

Please let me reassure you that autism has nothing to do with anything you

did or with vaccines. As you probably know, it is believed that autism is

multi-factorial and many researchers are working to find out the causes.

We agree that mercury is a potentially harmful substance, but mercury is

also a naturally occurring element found in low levels in air, soil, and

water-and also, as a result, it can make its way, in small or trace amounts,

into many food items, including infant formula and breast milk. It's

difficult or impossible to reduce children's exposure to those sources, and

that's why CDC and others have encouraged the removal of thimerosal from

vaccines. A recent study sponsored by the NIAID and conducted at the

University of Rochester assessed mercury levels in 40 infants who received

vaccines containing thimerosal and 21 infants who received thimerosal-free

vaccines. The scientists measured the level of mercury in the infants'

blood, urine and stool up to 28 days after vaccination. They found that 1)

infants who were given vaccines with thimerosal had levels of mercury well

below the safe level of 29 nmol/L (this level is set ten times lower than

the level at which mercury begins to cause neurological problems) and 2) the

body seems to be able to get rid of thimerosal (ethyl mercury) via the

gastrointestinal tract (stools) much quicker than it gets rid of methyl

mercury.

Today, with the exception of some types of influenza vaccine, none of the

routinely recommended childhood vaccines contain thimerosal as a

preservative.

Numerous, repeated, scientifically rigorous studies involving hundreds of

thousands of children have found no relationship between thimerosal and

autism. In 2004, the Institute of Medicine reviewed a large amount of

literature on autism, thimerosal, and MMR. They found no association

between vaccines, thimerosal and autism. The committee based their

conclusions on the whole body of the evidence, including toxicology studies,

not just epidemiological studies. Vaccine safety has always been a very

important concern for the medical profession.

A study was done in the United Kingdom because of a rapid increase in autism

case. The only vaccine in the UK's childhood immunization program that

contained thimerosal was DTP. All other vaccines (OPV, BCG, MMR, Hib, menC)

added to the program since the 1950's are and have always been thimerosal

free. If thimerosal in vaccines were causing autism, we would expect to see

a simultaneous increase in both thimerosal exposure and autism cases.

However, from the 1950's on, there was no increase in the amount of

thimerosal UK children were receiving from vaccines, yet there was a jump in

autism cases in the 1980's.

As we're looking for answers related to the causes and effective treatment

for autism, we have to also be careful to base our health recommendations

on the best available science that we have in front of us, and today the

best available science indicates to us that vaccines save lives, and that's

a very, very important message for all of us to remember.

We know for certain that children today live longer and healthier because of

the vaccines they receive in childhood. Just to put this in context, before

the Childhood Immunization Program was present in the United States, 13- to

20,000 kids developed paralytic polio every year. Before measles vaccines,

almost everyone in the country got measles when they were child, and about

450 children died every year from measles. Before rubella, epidemics of

rubella occurred and sometimes up to 20,000 children were born with

congenital rubella syndrome with 2,000 deaths and more than 1,000

miscarriages.

I hope this addresses some of your concerns as well as answer some of your

questions.

If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.

Sincerely,

L. Snow M. D.

Medical Director

Communicable Disease/Immunizations

Arkansas Division of Health

501-661-2169

November 27, 2006

First let me say that this " safe level " they refer to for mercury

was originally designed for adults, not infants. Secondly, just

because something occurs naturally in the enviornment does not make

it safe. Lead occurs naturally but we know that is not safe, same

wiht mercury. So that is just Stupid Logic there. There are tons of

scientific research on the detrimental effects of mercury on humans.

Next the body could get rid of methylmercury via the instestinal

tract if the children ATE the vaccine and provided their detox

system was developed, which it isn't. That is not the case here, it

is injected and never sees the intestinal tract. Injection exposure

by passes the bodies natural protective detox mechanisms. Why is it

not safe for pregnant women to eat fish, but they can have Hg

injected?

Also, there are not numerous studies refuted the damage of mercury.

More like a few fixed ones they keep using over and over again.

the statement that " none of children's vaccines contain mercury " is

false. Thimerosal is still used to manufacture vaccines, the

companies tell you that. The claim is that " it is removed before the

final product but could still contain traces " . Read the package

inserts for vaccines, it says that right on it.

The statement that all vaccines given in UK since 1950 have been

thimerosal free except the DPT is also false. They also increased

their vaccine schedule in the 1980's when autism rates climbed.

Also why is there suddenly tons of cases of autims in third world

countries now, following the generous wide scale plan to provide

vaccines to third world infants?

Also the reason so many kids got all those disease before vaccines,

was due to poor sanitation, poor nutrition, etc. This is the typical

beaurocratic crap they feed to everyone to avoid the panic and too

avoid admiting guilt. Refer to the book Evidence of Harm. There are

many sites to that have studies contrary to this letter. Most

studies they refer to are falsifies, or the results misinterpreted.

Remember that anytime you deal with these cronies they are paid to

say all this. They probably don't vaccinate their own kids. Most

docs don't either. There is only a 14% chance a child will even get

the flu. Ask them why ethylene glycol is ok to put in the shots...or

formaldehyde, aluminum, benzethonium chloride.

Here is some good info: " experts at the CDC estimat theat 36.000

people per year die from the flu. According their website most

weakend immune systems already. "

People with weakend immune systems are not candidate for

vaccination according to the patient insert for the flu vaccine.

" Dr. Walter Ornstein, director in 2003 of the CDC's National

Immunization Program, made the agency's goals clear in a slide

presentation in june 2003. The agency would " increase vaccine

demand " by " enhancing " its communication efforts and extending it's

vaccine campaign past the end of December, when the flu vaccination

typically winds down across the nation. Why one might ask? $450

million in additional profits in a single flu season.

>

> I received this ridiculous letter from the AR Dept of health in

response to

> my letter questioning the current flu vaccine push (to pregnant

women and

> children as well!). Please, could any of you help me refute some

of the

> points of this letter? I cannot let this stand without a rebuttal.

I just

> want to be sure that I am speaking with facts & not just emotion.

Thanks so

> much for any help you can provide,

>

> Dear Mr. and Mrs Elsass,

> The Arkansas Division of Health is very sorry that you have a

child with

> autism. Our highest mission at the Arkansas Division of Health is

> protecting the health and well being of all Americans, starting

with our

> children. We would never recommend any vaccine be given to

children or any

> person if there were sound, scientific evidence it could be

harmful.

> Please let me reassure you that autism has nothing to do with

anything you

> did or with vaccines. As you probably know, it is believed that

autism is

> multi-factorial and many researchers are working to find out the

causes.

> We agree that mercury is a potentially harmful substance, but

mercury is

> also a naturally occurring element found in low levels in air,

soil, and

> water-and also, as a result, it can make its way, in small or

trace amounts,

> into many food items, including infant formula and breast milk.

It's

> difficult or impossible to reduce children's exposure to those

sources, and

> that's why CDC and others have encouraged the removal of

thimerosal from

> vaccines. A recent study sponsored by the NIAID and conducted at

the

> University of Rochester assessed mercury levels in 40 infants who

received

> vaccines containing thimerosal and 21 infants who received

thimerosal-free

> vaccines. The scientists measured the level of mercury in the

infants'

> blood, urine and stool up to 28 days after vaccination. They found

that 1)

> infants who were given vaccines with thimerosal had levels of

mercury well

> below the safe level of 29 nmol/L (this level is set ten times

lower than

> the level at which mercury begins to cause neurological problems)

and 2) the

> body seems to be able to get rid of thimerosal (ethyl mercury) via

the

> gastrointestinal tract (stools) much quicker than it gets rid of

methyl

> mercury.

> Today, with the exception of some types of influenza vaccine, none

of the

> routinely recommended childhood vaccines contain thimerosal as a

> preservative.

>

> Numerous, repeated, scientifically rigorous studies involving

hundreds of

> thousands of children have found no relationship between

thimerosal and

> autism. In 2004, the Institute of Medicine reviewed a large

amount of

> literature on autism, thimerosal, and MMR. They found no

association

> between vaccines, thimerosal and autism. The committee based their

> conclusions on the whole body of the evidence, including

toxicology studies,

> not just epidemiological studies. Vaccine safety has always been

a very

> important concern for the medical profession.

> A study was done in the United Kingdom because of a rapid increase

in autism

> case. The only vaccine in the UK's childhood immunization

program that

> contained thimerosal was DTP. All other vaccines (OPV, BCG, MMR,

Hib, menC)

> added to the program since the 1950's are and have always been

thimerosal

> free. If thimerosal in vaccines were causing autism, we would

expect to see

> a simultaneous increase in both thimerosal exposure and autism

cases.

> However, from the 1950's on, there was no increase in the amount of

> thimerosal UK children were receiving from vaccines, yet there was

a jump in

> autism cases in the 1980's.

> As we're looking for answers related to the causes and effective

treatment

> for autism, we have to also be careful to base our health

recommendations

> on the best available science that we have in front of us, and

today the

> best available science indicates to us that vaccines save lives,

and that's

> a very, very important message for all of us to remember.

> We know for certain that children today live longer and healthier

because of

> the vaccines they receive in childhood. Just to put this in

context, before

> the Childhood Immunization Program was present in the United

States, 13- to

> 20,000 kids developed paralytic polio every year. Before measles

vaccines,

> almost everyone in the country got measles when they were child,

and about

> 450 children died every year from measles. Before rubella,

epidemics of

> rubella occurred and sometimes up to 20,000 children were born with

> congenital rubella syndrome with 2,000 deaths and more than 1,000

> miscarriages.

>

> I hope this addresses some of your concerns as well as answer some

of your

> questions.

>

> If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> L. Snow M. D.

> Medical Director

> Communicable Disease/Immunizations

> Arkansas Division of Health

> 501-661-2169

>

November 27, 2006

There is no factual scientific bases for any of the " facts " and quotes asserted

in the letter.

The people being quoted and the quoted studies are not reputable, and their

assertions have been refuted by

credible scientific documentation. I will provide more details on this when I

have time to reference pertinent documentation.

In the meantime, There is credible evidence by peer-reviewed studies and

clinical experience that autism is commonly caused by toxic metal exposures, in

particular vaccines containing high levels of mercury. The mechanisms by which

toxic metals cause condiitions including autism are documented in the medical

literature.( Likewise there is credible scientific documentation that some cases

of autism are caused by MRI vaccinations that contain no mercury. Though this is

not pertinent to the issue here)

www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

There is also large scale clinical evidence that those with mercury related

autism, commoly recover with proper detoxification,

from records of large numbers of autism patients treated by autism treatment

clinics and the Pfieffer Clinic. And from clinical experience of those

participating in this forum over time. Contrary to the letter's claim, there is

documentation that neurological damage occurs at levels far below those recieved

by children who received a full round of required vaccinations, containing

mercury. See the above review study, and I can provide more specific

documentation.

There has never been any study that has documented a safe level of exposure to

mercury, however small, that is safe for all children. There is documentation

that some children are more susceptible than others, and experience serious

adverse effects at extremely low levels of exposure.

www.home.earthlink.net/suscept.html

Regarding Flu shots, it is a matter of record that flu shots commonly contain

high lievels of extremely neurotoxic substances,

mercury, aluminum, organochlorine compound,etc. And while there is no clredible

evidence that flu shots have more benefical effects than adverse effects, there

is credible evidence that flu shot cause significant adverse effects to

significant numbers of people- including Alzheimer's, ALS, MS, Guilliame Barr

Syndrome(sp?), It has been documented by studies and clinical experience of

some of the most credible doctors dealing with such conditions, that those who

get several flu shots with mercury more than double their risk of contracting

these conditions. Such as Dr. Fudenburg, whose crediblity is better than that

of anyone being quoted in the letter.

Bernie Windham, Research Director, Dams Intl

more later

November 27, 2006

I got looked at today like I had 13 heads when I asked to see the insert for a

tetanus shot that a client got. The nurse said she didn't have it, that it was

a multi-dose vial. So then I asked how much thimerosal or mercury was in it.

She said " I don't know, it's good for 10 years. " This is an adult client who

wants the flu shot every year, so I just wanted to see what reaction I would get

from clinic staff (and let them know I know), since I'm not in a position to

change the client's mind...

One of my coworker got the same look when she asked about ingredients in the flu

shot. The ones she asked tried to change the subject by naming off the

different types of flu it's supposed to protect against.

S S

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November 27, 2006

It looks like you got the pro-mercury pro-vaccine partnerships auto-response.

Here are a few links you might be interested in:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/331/7529/1412?ijkey=FXyhZx2lyNbaVLE & keytype=\

ref

http://www.whale.to/a/yazflu.html

http://www.seniorjournal.com/Spotlights/FLU2004/5-02-15FluShotsQuestioned.htm

Here is the study the NIAID does like too much:

http://www.ehponline.org/members/2005/7712/7712.pdf

Here is a link to a study which claims the NIAID supplied the study with a

thimerosal-containing placebo. Last line of the first paragraph under the

" methods " header sub header " preparation of vaccines " .

http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/98/10/2308

Since they mentioned this among other things here's a link to the last of the

official statistics gathered from the Iowa mumps outbreak.

http://www.idph.state.ia.us/adper/common/pdf/mumps/mumps_update_093006.pdf

As you can see half of the cases had two-shot MMR history. You may also note

that 30% of the mumps victims were placed in the " unknown " category and left

there.

HTH

[ ] please help me refute flu vaccine info

I received this ridiculous letter from the AR Dept of health in response to