Re: Could taking a break from chelation be harmful?

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Deal with the reactions to chelation -- whatever they are -- take more minerals,

treat yeast etc.

Keep chelating for as long as you can tolerate and is safe.

Dump the allergy doctor and eventually dump the non-active chelation doctor

when you find a suitable replacement. You may not even need a chelation doctor

but that is up to you.

Awesome that chelation is extracting metals -- keep taking the bad stuff out.

Good luck.

carolynw4 <carolynw4@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I'm caught between 2 doctors and I don't know which one to listen

to. I was switching to my allergy doctor for chelation because my

doctor I started chelation with isn't very active. He doesen't keep

up with the labs while I'm chelating. When I have an important

question they never get back to me like they say.

However, my allergy doctor wants me to stop chelation because of the

reactions I've been having. I don't think he'll be willing to take

on the chelation because he's pretty set on me stopping the

chelation. He said I could try Vitamin C. I've been taking Vitamin

C for the last 8 years and haven't seen the positives I've seen

after starting TD DMPS. The truth is I've seen both positives and

negatives with TD DMPS.

Because I have a feeling he'll be unwilling to do chelation with me

and my actual chelation doctor isn't staying up on lab work, etc. I

did schedule an appt. with a doctor in Kansas City that uses Andy

Cutler's protocol.

I don't know what to do. Should I keep this appt. with the doctor

in Kansas City? Should I stay with my non-active chelation doctor?

Should I stop chelation like my allergy doctor wants me to do?

Could stopping chelation be harmful especially since my last metals

test showed elevated tungsten & bismuth. Quite a bit of mercury

coming out, and lots of other metals.

Carolyn

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Honestly, I think you should first try scolding your regular doctor. If that

doesn't work, I'd find a new DAN! doctor.

carolynw4 <carolynw4@...> wrote: Hi Everyone,

I'm caught between 2 doctors and I don't know which one to listen

to. I was switching to my allergy doctor for chelation because my

doctor I started chelation with isn't very active. He doesen't keep

up with the labs while I'm chelating. When I have an important

question they never get back to me like they say.

However, my allergy doctor wants me to stop chelation because of the

reactions I've been having. I don't think he'll be willing to take

on the chelation because he's pretty set on me stopping the

chelation. He said I could try Vitamin C. I've been taking Vitamin

C for the last 8 years and haven't seen the positives I've seen

after starting TD DMPS. The truth is I've seen both positives and

negatives with TD DMPS.

Because I have a feeling he'll be unwilling to do chelation with me

and my actual chelation doctor isn't staying up on lab work, etc. I

did schedule an appt. with a doctor in Kansas City that uses Andy

Cutler's protocol.

I don't know what to do. Should I keep this appt. with the doctor

in Kansas City? Should I stay with my non-active chelation doctor?

Should I stop chelation like my allergy doctor wants me to do?

Could stopping chelation be harmful especially since my last metals

test showed elevated tungsten & bismuth. Quite a bit of mercury

coming out, and lots of other metals.

Carolyn

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What particular tests are you wanting a doc to do/order? Are they ones you can

have done on your own through DLS? Many chelate on their own without a doc

because they can't find ones that know what they're doing or understand proper

chelation. If you switch to oral instead of TD you can chelate without a doc

but sounds like that's not what you want.

S S

carolynw4 <carolynw4@...> wrote:        Hi Everyone,<BR>

  <BR>

  I'm caught between 2 doctors and I don't know which one to listen <BR>

  to.  I was switching to my allergy doctor for chelation because my <BR>

  doctor I started chelation with isn't very active.  He doesen't keep <BR>

  up with the labs while I'm chelating.  When I have an important <BR>

  question they never get back to me like they say.  <BR>

  <BR>

  However, my allergy doctor wants me to stop chelation because of the <BR>

  reactions I've been having.  I don't think he'll be willing to take <BR>

  on the chelation because he's pretty set on me stopping the <BR>

  chelation.  He said I could try Vitamin C.  I've been taking Vitamin <BR>

  C for the last 8 years and haven't seen the positives I've seen <BR>

  after starting TD DMPS.  The truth is I've seen both positives and <BR>

  negatives with TD DMPS. <BR>

  <BR>

  Because I have a feeling he'll be unwilling to do chelation with me <BR>

  and my actual chelation doctor isn't staying up on lab work, etc.  I <BR>

  did schedule an appt. with a doctor in Kansas City that uses Andy <BR>

  Cutler's protocol.  <BR>

  <BR>

  I don't know what to do.  Should I keep this appt. with the doctor <BR>

  in Kansas City?  Should I stay with my non-active chelation doctor?  <BR>

  Should I stop chelation like my allergy doctor wants me to do?  <BR>

  Could stopping chelation be harmful especially since my last metals <BR>

  test showed elevated tungsten & bismuth.  Quite a bit of mercury <BR>

  coming out, and lots of other metals.<BR>

  <BR>

  Carolyn<BR>

 

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A CBC, CMP, & mineral levels. I don't feel it's very safe chelating

on your own. I feel like I'm chelating on my own right now with a

doctor who's hardly involved. I would consider switching to oral, but

you can't get dmps without a doctor.

Carolyn

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> What particular tests are you wanting a doc to do/order?

[Guest guest]

Is there a particular reason you want to stick with DMPS rather than DMSA or

ALA?

S S

A CBC, CMP, & mineral levels.  I don't feel it's very safe chelating <BR>

on your own.  I feel like I'm chelating on my own right now with a <BR>

doctor who's hardly involved.  I would consider switching to oral, but <BR>

you can't get dmps without a doctor.  <BR>

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Carolyn<BR>

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The first reason is yeast issues. The second is I thought DMSA is

better for getting rid of lead. DMSA is also harder on the liver,

isn't it?

Carolyn

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> Is there a particular reason you want to stick with DMPS rather than

DMSA or ALA?

> S S

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You can get oral DMSA without a prescription and yes, it chelates lead.

S S

The first reason is yeast issues.  The second is I thought DMSA is <BR>

better for getting rid of lead.  DMSA is also harder on the liver, <BR>

isn't it?<BR>

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Carolyn<BR>

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How far are you from KC, would the trips there be a big hassle? (I grew up in

MO and we referred to KC as " the " City.) What negatives have you been having?

S S

Hi Everyone,<BR>

<BR>

I'm caught between 2 doctors and I don't know which one to listen <BR>

to.  I was switching to my allergy doctor for chelation because my <BR>

doctor I started chelation with isn't very active.  He doesen't keep <BR>

up with the labs while I'm chelating.  When I have an important <BR>

question they never get back to me like they say.  <BR>

<BR>

However, my allergy doctor wants me to stop chelation because of the <BR>

reactions I've been having.  I don't think he'll be willing to take <BR>

on the chelation because he's pretty set on me stopping the <BR>

chelation.  He said I could try Vitamin C.  I've been taking Vitamin <BR>

C for the last 8 years and haven't seen the positives I've seen <BR>

after starting TD DMPS.  The truth is I've seen both positives and <BR>

negatives with TD DMPS. <BR>

<BR>

Because I have a feeling he'll be unwilling to do chelation with me <BR>

and my actual chelation doctor isn't staying up on lab work, etc.  I <BR>

did schedule an appt. with a doctor in Kansas City that uses Andy <BR>

Cutler's protocol.  <BR>

<BR>

I don't know what to do.  Should I keep this appt. with the doctor <BR>

in Kansas City?  Should I stay with my non-active chelation doctor?  <BR>

Should I stop chelation like my allergy doctor wants me to do?  <BR>

Could stopping chelation be harmful especially since my last metals <BR>

test showed elevated tungsten & bismuth.  Quite a bit of mercury <BR>

coming out, and lots of other metals.<BR>

<BR>

Carolyn<BR>

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3 1/2 hours from KC. No, the trips there every 3 months aren't a big

hassle. I've been seeing Dr. Willoughby in KC for chelation.

The negatives have been feeling sick, achiness, moodiness. I haven't

mentioned these next two before because their embarassing to me, but

they are tolerable unlike being sick: drooling & when I write I tend

to leave off the last letter of a word, now and then. It's weird and

it happens quite a bit. I drooled a lot as a child, but haven't for

many years. I've never experienced the writing thing before. I've

also noticed increased tics at times that seems to be directly related

to the chelation/metals.

Carolyn

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Also, the being sick thing doesn't seem like something new developing

each time I get sick. It seems as if I'm just stuck and can't get to

the point where I'm not sick again after the 3rd day of dmps

throughout most of the rest of the week. It seems as whatever this is

just won't allow me to heal from it.

Carolyn

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Hi Carolyn,

I chelate myself (w/out doc) as well as my daughter (w/ doc) so I

understand how it feels, and have completed 8 rounds so far. All I

have to go by are my symptoms, and that's enough for me. They say

that chelation exacerbates your symptoms from mercury such as

allergies & mood swings or feelings of depression, so some of these

things that you experience could be due to that. My allergies used

to be really bad, and when I started chelation with DMSA & ALA they

were horrible the first round! Sooo bad that I had to drop the

ALA! I can tolerate the DMSA alone and it seems to be working. You

may be reacting to something in the DMPS? or maybe it's working and

is just exacerbating your symptoms caused by mercury.

You may not be getting enough supplements to support you through the

detox process. Are you taking any supplements? If you take

supplements, that should really help. Vit C at least should be

taken as it helps minimize the oxidative stress, and some sort of

liver support too.

If I were you, I would tell my existing doc what I wanted him/her to

do and what tests you want on the phone or email (I'd keep the doc

that believes in chelation). I'd save my energy and try to avoid a

long trip for a new doc!

HTH,

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> 3 1/2 hours from KC. No, the trips there every 3 months aren't a

big

> hassle. I've been seeing Dr. Willoughby in KC for chelation.

>

> The negatives have been feeling sick, achiness, moodiness. I

haven't

> mentioned these next two before because their embarassing to me,

but

> they are tolerable unlike being sick: drooling & when I write I

tend

> to leave off the last letter of a word, now and then. It's weird

and

> it happens quite a bit. I drooled a lot as a child, but haven't

for

> many years. I've never experienced the writing thing before.

I've

> also noticed increased tics at times that seems to be directly

related

> to the chelation/metals.

>

> Carolyn

>

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DMSA is good for lead and mercury. It seems to have less side effects

that the DMPS. I hear many people using DMPS complain of feeling ill

while chelating. Maybe this is not the chelator for you. Each of us is

different and can be sensitive to different things. The only part of

DMSA you may not like is the more frequent dosing schedule. I think

chelation in general could be seen as hard on the liver. But we use

Milk thistle four times a day and that seems to help the liver along.

There is website out there on DMPS called DMPSBackfire I think. You

may find that interesting. While I respect your choice to use

whichever chelator you feel comfortable with, it may be worth trying a

different one to see if you can chelate with little to no symptoms.

I did research all three as I was very skeptical and cautious in

giving anything to my 3 year old, I felt the risks with DMSA and ALA

were much safer. Best luck!

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> >

> > Is there a particular reason you want to stick with DMPS rather

than

> DMSA or ALA?

> > S S

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[Guest guest]

Chiming in to say I'm chelating myself and my 2 NT kids without an MD. Our MD

is aware

of what we're doing, but is not involved. We haven't needed any testing or an

MD's help,

to date. ==knock on wood==

We're doing Andy's protocol, started with oral DMSA, then DMSA + ALA, and now

ALA

only. Round 22, and it's going well.

in Illinois

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Chelation is hard on the liver because of the toxic metals more than because of

the chelators.

S S

DMSA is good for lead and mercury. It seems to have less side effects <BR>

that the DMPS. I hear many people using DMPS complain of feeling ill <BR>

while chelating. Maybe this is not the chelator for you. Each of us is <BR>

different and can be sensitive to different things. The only part of <BR>

DMSA you may not like is the more frequent dosing schedule. I think <BR>

chelation in general could be seen as hard on the liver. But we use <BR>

Milk thistle four times a day and that seems to help the liver along. <BR>

There is website out there on DMPS called DMPSBackfire I think. You <BR>

may find that interesting. While I respect your choice to use <BR>

whichever chelator you feel comfortable with, it may be worth trying a <BR>

different one to see if you can chelate with little to no symptoms. <BR>

I did research all three as I was very skeptical and cautious in <BR>

giving anything to my 3 year old, I felt the risks with DMSA and ALA <BR>

were much safer. Best luck!<BR>

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> > Is there a particular reason you want to stick with DMPS rather <BR>

than <BR>

> DMSA or ALA?<BR>

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I had excess salivation during sleep until I had my amalgams out. I later

figured that it was probably my body trying to dilute the toxins from the

amalgams (and perhaps from the antimony I was breathing in from toxic bedding).

I'm confused, I thought you were considering switching from your local chelation

doc to one in KC. Are you thinking of switching from one KC chelation doc to

another?

S S

3 1/2 hours from KC.  No, the trips there every 3 months aren't a big <BR>

hassle.  I've been seeing Dr. Willoughby in KC for chelation.<BR>

<BR>

The negatives have been feeling sick, achiness, moodiness.  I haven't <BR>

mentioned these next two before because their embarassing to me, but <BR>

they are tolerable unlike being sick: drooling & when I write I tend <BR>

to leave off the last letter of a word, now and then.  It's weird and <BR>

it happens quite a bit.  I drooled a lot as a child, but haven't for <BR>

many years.  I've never experienced the writing thing before.  I've <BR>

also noticed increased tics at times that seems to be directly related <BR>

to the chelation/metals.  <BR>

<BR>

Carolyn<BR>

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Well I had my amalgam fillings out. Please tell me that there's no

hidden mercury in their that I'm not able to see. I'm considering

switching from one KC chelation doc to another. We have no local

docs here for chelation. The closest is 3 1/2 hours which would be

KC.

Carolyn

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>

> I had excess salivation during sleep until I had my amalgams out.

I later figured that it was probably my body trying to dilute the

toxins from the amalgams (and perhaps from the antimony I was

breathing in from toxic bedding).

>

> I'm confused, I thought you were considering switching from your

local chelation doc to one in KC. Are you thinking of switching

from one KC chelation doc to another?

> S S

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Did you do a hair test? Was antimony high? The excess salivation could be from

antimony from bedding, particularly if you sleep on your stomach.

S S

Well I had my amalgam fillings out.  Please tell me that there's no <BR>

hidden mercury in their that I'm not able to see.  I'm considering <BR>

switching from one KC chelation doc to another.  We have no local <BR>

docs here for chelation.  The closest is 3 1/2 hours which would be <BR>

KC.<BR>

<BR>

Carolyn<BR>

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Yes, I did a hair test. No, antimony wasn't high.

I left a message on the doctor from Kansas voice mail yesterday asking

what chelation protcol he for sure uses. He called me back today and

said a modified version of the DAN protcol. He said they find what's

best for the patient. When I told him I keep getting sick, he said I

may be using too large of dose. He said if I want to stay with

transdermal, he'll work with me to get that figured out. He prefers

DMSA with adults. Basically he sounded pretty open to DMSA or DMPS,

oral or transdermal.

I liked what he had to say and I'm pretty sure I'm going to try him.

I really don't care what protocol, whether it's oral or transdermal,

etc., but what I really care about is that we find out what works best

for me because everyone is different.

Carolyn

>

> Did you do a hair test? Was antimony high? The excess salivation

could be from antimony from bedding, particularly if you sleep on your

stomach.

> S S

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As long as the dentist removed all the fillings, any crowns, caps,

or root canals you should be good. Sometimes root canal tips are

filled with amalgam. Usually, crowns can have amalgam under them as

can any tooth that is capped. Your body still may be " drooling " the

toxins out even without the fillings. That stuff gets in your mouth

tissues too.

I noted that I drooled like a machine all night long when I was

pregnant. It was so bad I had to put a towel on my pillow at night.

I just drool normal otherwise.

If it is any consolation, I am going to chelation myself. I cannot

find a chelation doctor who really knows what he is doing, or one

who doesn't want me to remortgage my house to pay him.

Basically, doing tons of research and knowing what to look for, you

can chelate yourself safely. I do hope you find what you need with

or without the doc's. I know how terrible and frusterating it feels

to be poisoned and then can't find anyone to help. Hang in there!

>

> Well I had my amalgam fillings out. Please tell me that there's

no

> hidden mercury in their that I'm not able to see. I'm considering

> switching from one KC chelation doc to another. We have no local

> docs here for chelation. The closest is 3 1/2 hours which would

be

> KC.

>

> Carolyn

>

>

> >

> >

> > I had excess salivation during sleep until I had my amalgams

out.

> I later figured that it was probably my body trying to dilute the

> toxins from the amalgams (and perhaps from the antimony I was

> breathing in from toxic bedding).

> >

> > I'm confused, I thought you were considering switching from your

> local chelation doc to one in KC. Are you thinking of switching

> from one KC chelation doc to another?

> > S S

>

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> > >

> > >

> > > Is there a particular reason you want to stick with DMPS rather

> than

> > DMSA or ALA?

> > > S S

> >

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