Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Quite frankly, anything advertised as a cure-all, I'm skeptical about - no matter who tells me about it! That aside: I've got some questions about glyconutrients. They appear to be mostly polysaccharides, is that correct? That would make them completely inacceptable on the SCD... Are they low salicylate? Low oxalate? -Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Nell, Everybody has something to sell, that is just life. We all sell everyday. We have to work, right? How does one earn a living if they are not " selling themself " . When you walk into Whole Foods, a doctors office, the DAN! doctor, the naturalpath - don't they all have little flyers that state some type of " product " to help better some area of health? Whether it be taking Omega 3 oils and " oh by the way, my company has the BEST Omega 3 " , or those booklets about a disease published by the pharma company that makes it. The truth is that we are surrounded by advertisments and it is our job to check them out and see if there is vailidity in it. To say, oh just because someone is selling something it isn't worth my time to investigate is irrational. If one goes to a DAN! doctor I would bet dollars to donuts that they are walking out of their office with a boxful of supplements that THEY sell - and they are not cheap, nor does insurance pay for it. So it sounds to me like you are picking and choosing who is ok to sell and who isn't. I don't mean any disrespect, but I am not hear to justify what I do. If someone wants to learn and I have the experience, I will share. If not, I am perfectly ok with that. We all learn from each other and I ALWAYS check and double check everything that I would give me or my family. Roe > > > > Would it matter if I were affiliated with the company? > > Yes, it DOES matter. > > > Do you ask > > the doctor when she/he prescribes zithromax as an antibotic if they > > are getting kickbacks > > If you read this list at all you'll note we're not terrific fans of > the way mainstream medicine is practiced, holding hands with pharma. > > >I am an independent distributor, > > but that doesn't make the product BAD. > > Nobody's saying that. What people are saying is that we do not want to > get our information from distributors, manufacturers, sellers, > advertisers, flacks, etc etc etc. > > And the phony questions to give yourselves opportunity for more > spamming does not win you any believers. > > Nell > (got a little yeast going today, can you tell?) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Lana, Glyconutrients are NOT a cure all. They are simply a piece of the puzzle. For optimal health, we all need: 1) Essential vitamins and minerals to creat healthy cells 2) Glyconutrients for cell-to-cell communication and immune support 3) Phytonutrients to detoxify the system 4) Phytohormones for glandular function 5) EFA for cell regulation, hormonal function and metabolism 6) Essential amino acids, which serve as the building blocks for all proteins 7) Antioxidants to protect your cells from oxidative damage. Without ALL 7 of these, we cannot have optimal health. These ingredients SHOULD come from food. If our diets were healthy, our farming practices were good and our food wasn't genetically modified, I would see no reason to have to supplement these items. Glyconutrients can are saccharides. They can be monosaccharides (one sugar) or polysaccharides (many). There are about 200 monosaccharides found in nature; however, only eight are commonly found in the oligosaccharide chains of glycoprotein.* Yes they would be ok on a Specific Carb diet. Regards, Roe * Taken from Harper's Illustrated Biochemsistry 26th Edition by K. Murray, Daryl K. Granner, A. Mayes, Victor W. Rodwell page 515 > > Quite frankly, anything advertised as a cure-all, I'm skeptical about - no > matter who tells me about it! That aside: I've got some questions about > glyconutrients. They appear to be mostly polysaccharides, is that correct? > That would make them completely inacceptable on the SCD... Are they low > salicylate? Low oxalate? > > -Lana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 > > Glyconutrients can are saccharides. They can be monosaccharides (one > sugar) or polysaccharides (many). > > There are about 200 monosaccharides found in nature; however, only > eight are commonly found in the oligosaccharide chains of > glycoprotein.* > > Yes they would be ok on a Specific Carb diet. > Wait a second, FOS and inulin, two other oligosaccharides are strictly prohibited on SCD. Why would this one be any different? -Lana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Lana, Like I said, there are over 200 Monosaccharides. Fructooligosaccharide (FOS) is a oligosaccharide coming from the FRUCTOSE molecule (a short chain sugar molecule). Inulin is again a oligosaccharide (meaning several simple sugars linked together) belongs to the class of carbohydrates called fructans - which is from fructose molecules. These eight essential saccharides contained in the glyconutrient product is: Glucose, Galactose, Mannose, Fucose, Xylose, N-Acetyl Glucosamine, N- Acetyl Galactosamine and N- Acetyl Neuraminic Acid. Non of these contain ANY fructose - which is strictly prohibited on SCD. Does that make sense? Roe > > > > > Glyconutrients can are saccharides. They can be monosaccharides (one > > sugar) or polysaccharides (many). > > > > There are about 200 monosaccharides found in nature; however, only > > eight are commonly found in the oligosaccharide chains of > > glycoprotein.* > > > > Yes they would be ok on a Specific Carb diet. > > > > Wait a second, FOS and inulin, two other oligosaccharides are strictly > prohibited on SCD. Why would this one be any different? > > -Lana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Looking at Mannatech's website reminds me of marketing schemes like Amway - the emphasis is on recruiting salespeople. The primary link on their home page states: " ...looking for people passionate about providing answers for a world in need. " And then there's " Unity of Purpose - Mannafest 2007 " . Please. Every page has a link on " becoming a Mannatech Associate " - it's all about SALES. This kind of " pyramidal " stuff doesn't sit well with me. Also, the wording on some of the products' ingredients is very misleading. For example; Mannabears are " are sweetened with natural cane juice crystals " - why not just say sugar? Interesting Op-Ed: Mannatech's sugar-coated moneymaker: http://www.rickross.com/reference/mannatech/mannatech14.html -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Roe " <roemygosh@...> Lana, Glyconutrients are NOT a cure all. They are simply a piece of the puzzle. For optimal health, we all need: 1) Essential vitamins and minerals to creat healthy cells 2) Glyconutrients for cell-to-cell communication and immune support 3) Phytonutrients to detoxify the system 4) Phytohormones for glandular function 5) EFA for cell regulation, hormonal function and metabolism 6) Essential amino acids, which serve as the building blocks for all proteins 7) Antioxidants to protect your cells from oxidative damage. Without ALL 7 of these, we cannot have optimal health. These ingredients SHOULD come from food. If our diets were healthy, our farming practices were good and our food wasn't genetically modified, I would see no reason to have to supplement these items. Glyconutrients can are saccharides. They can be monosaccharides (one sugar) or polysaccharides (many). There are about 200 monosaccharides found in nature; however, only eight are commonly found in the oligosaccharide chains of glycoprotein.* Yes they would be ok on a Specific Carb diet. Regards, Roe * Taken from Harper's Illustrated Biochemsistry 26th Edition by K. Murray, Daryl K. Granner, A. Mayes, Victor W. Rodwell page 515 > > Quite frankly, anything advertised as a cure-all, I'm skeptical about - no > matter who tells me about it! That aside: I've got some questions about > glyconutrients. They appear to be mostly polysaccharides, is that correct? > That would make them completely inacceptable on the SCD... Are they low > salicylate? Low oxalate? > > -Lana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Glyconutrients are supplied in freshly picked fruit and veg. Kelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 I've heard some amazing things about this mannatech. What is the real story behind this vitamin? bob jpking wrote: Did anyone have any experience in taking lyconutrients (by Mannatech, or others) to help cure cancers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I went through and checked my notes on the people I work with in late stage cancers. Five of them have used glyconutrients at one time or another. None thought there was anything gained. I have not used them myself for cancer. Regards, Bruce Guilmette, PhD Author: THERE'S MORE TO LIFE THAN JUST LIVING, A Personal Story About Cancer Survival Survive Cancer Foundation, Inc. http://survivecancerfoundation.org Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matt 6:34 (NIV) From: jpking@... Did anyone have any experience in taking Glyconutrients (by Mannatech, or others) to help cure cancers? Do we know how to get more information on the effectiveness of this product? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 There is a common sense overview of glyconutrients at http://www.raysahelian.com/glyconutrients.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I do have clinical experience with glyconutrients----not Mannatech's. Mannatech is not the only one that is making glycos these days and for those that want to know Mannatech's formula all you have to do is go to the US Patent page and put in Mannatech or Ambrotose and you will be able to read all about the formulas---yes there are more than one. When you patent a product then the formula must be made public. We now have several doctors using glycos now in their practice with success. One allergist, one clinic, one ND and one chiro. The clinic actually uses the glycos for the Katrina Cough that was/is plaguing those working on clearing debris in Louisiana. The glycos were the only thing that helped the lingering cough to go away. Also, there has been some success using glyconutrients with fibromyalgia clients. Now, the formula that is used is different and stronger than Ambrotose so maybe that is why we are seeing success. I use it for clients who need immune strengthening---but in therapeutic dosages. It is NOT a magic bullet and will NOT cure cancer, by itself. But because most people do not eat a diet rich in fruits and veggies (where most glycos come from) a shortage may be created in the body. I am not a huge fan of Ray Sahelian especially when one comments on something they have not used. He is pulling the old " give me some studies " trick. Well, we all know, in natural medicine, that there will not be a lot of studies because of the funding concern. I tend to go more by anecdotal evidence than studies or trials simply because these studies and trials are usually flawed in some way----either by misinterpretation, because they are funded by the company who makes the product, or because someone just absolutely lied about the findings. Happens all the time with trying to get pharmaceuticals to the market, folks. Unfortunately, it happens with natural medicine also. Dr. Sahelian has NOT done his research on this and it shows all through his comments. Some things to consider: Scientists at the University of California at Irvine, in 1998, determined that eight monosaccharides are required for the creation of Glycoproteins. These are listed in the Harper's Biochemistry Textbook. All the information needed to build an 8 sugar glyconutrient product is available in the public domain. In the opinion of this writer, any good chemist, doctor or pharmacist could put these 8 sugars together. This is not rocket science. The Physician's Desk Reference, which is the gold-standard for all medical doctors, lists glyconutrients in the non-prescription drug and dietary supplement section. If glyconutrients could be patented they would not be listed under this section. The PDR is used by 99% of all doctors and healthcare professionals in the USA before recommending solutions to their patients. Glyconutrients are now listed here for compromised immune systems. Any Physician or Pharmacist can find information on glyconutrients in the PDR. In November, 2001, a congressional subcommittee was addressed on Bio Terrorism and the evidence supporting the potential for glyconutrients and micronutrient dietary supplementation to support natural defense and healing mechanisms to ameliorate bacterial, viral and fungal infections due to the outstanding results of glyconutrients on the human immune system. Just because an MLM company took some science and ran with it doesn't mean that we shouldn't consider what this science can do for people. A good formula and therapeutic dosaging (recommended by a healthcare professional with experience in glyconutrients, not an MLM distributor) may be something that some people need. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Also, you will find high quality glycos that are not priced way out-of line like Mannatech. BUT, if the price is too low, beware, because one of the glycos is extremely expensive and if the cost of the product is too low then it means they are not using that product OR they have substituted something that is cheaper and may not give the same results. Just some things to consider. Be Well Loretta RE: [ ] Glyconutrients There is a common sense overview of glyconutrients at http://www.raysahelian.com/glyconutrients.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Dont understand why anyone with cancer would want to try this. Sugar is the number 1 thing we must avoid and yet this Mannatech contains 5 different kinds of sugar... Surely, way bad idea????? From: jpking Did anyone have any experience in taking Glyconutrients (by Mannatech, or others) to help cure cancers? Do we know how to get more information on the effectiveness of this product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Don't know where this whole avoiding sugar concept got started, but I have yet to see any definitive studies that correlate sugar intake with cancer growth. It has always been some suggestion or assumed relationship. I have asked for studies evidencing this theory, but have yet to see any credible references to this effect. In fact, the strict avoidance of, or lack of sugar, refined or otherwise, may lead to lower mental/emotional states that are more harmful than any amount of sugar in a cancer patient. Attitude is the number one line of defense against cancer, or beating cancer, and can be much more powerful than the nutritional aspects if the truth be known. A lack of sugar can lead to this condition due to the bodily processing of certain elements found in sugar necessary for normal brain function. In our therapy, large amounts of black strap molasses is a key base ingredient in our nutritional therapy for which we have had some impressive remissions. Insofar as the issue of Mannatech glyconutrient products, Dr. Lanphier correctly pointed out that the same glyconutrients can be had from other sources at a cheaper price. Blackstrap molasses contains a multitude of beneficial glyconutrients and a host of other minerals and vitamins. Chuck thomas jackson wrote: > > Dont understand why anyone with cancer would want to try this. Sugar > is the number 1 thing we must avoid and yet this Mannatech contains 5 > different kinds of sugar... Surely, way bad idea????? > > From: jpking > Did anyone have any experience in taking Glyconutrients (by Mannatech, > or others) to help cure cancers? > Do we know how to get more information on the effectiveness of this > product? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 For those of you who have received the welcome package from Aletha-- which include Dr. Lawrence's recommendations re: supplements, LDN, diet--there's a document called Glyconutrients. In it, Dr. Lawrence discusses Ambrotose, the Mannatech product. He recommends it, but also suggests a much less expensive alternative. 1. 15 ml of aloe vera liquid 2x/day 2. kelp: 660 mg (Dr. Lawrence recommends 400 mg, but it's difficult to find that in the U.S.) 3. shark cartilage OR glucosamine/chondroiton (they supply the same sugars): - four capsules of the combined tablet containing glucosmaine (500 mg) & chondroiton(400 mg): two in the morning, two at night (not beef-derived) OR - shark cartilage: 500-1000 mg 2x/daily (often found in 750 mg tablets) All the glyconutrients can be started at the same time. > > It is a sort of natural sugars that comes as a powder. I got it from > a company -'Mannatech'. It stopped my spasms completely. Plenty > online about it. It costs about $100.00 to get started. You can go > online under glyconutrients - Mannatech. If you want to order it can > be done on the phone. 1-800-281-4469. You will be asked for an assoc. > # & ours is 1256778. This is the only way it is sold. Not in > healthfood stores. It has helped me get off several drugs. > > Lorna > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Do not know of an affordable brand of glyconutrients, but I've taken them with ldn for awhile in my quest to manage MS. We get them from Mannatech. Read somewhere that there is a way to make them, but it would cost a fair bit & be alot of work. The combination of these two products has helped me stay off of steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I made my own for sometime using Mannatech formula. The initial start up was a bit costly but cheap overall. In did have a list of places to buy ingredients but lost them when my computer crashed. With Google and some effort you should be able to find sources for the ingredients. I would think they would go well with LDN. Good luck in your search.... Cotton N. Central Texas [low dose naltrexone] Re:glyconutrients Do not know of an affordable brand of glyconutrients, but I've taken them with ldn for awhile in my quest to manage MS. We get them from Mannatech. Read somewhere that there is a way to make them, but it would cost a fair bit & be alot of work.The combination of these two products has helped me stay off of steroids. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 9:21 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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