Re: Chelating my children and myself at the same time

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Hi ,

I'm chelating myself and my 2 NT kids. Based on Andy's description in his book

Amalgam

Illness and our symptoms, I'd say we're moderately poisoned.

I was concerned how my body would handle chelation. I made a decision to try 10

rounds

for myself and for the kids, then re-evaluate. The 10 rounds went well, and we

decided

to keep going.

When we're on round, the kids sleep in my room with me and dh sleeps in another

room. I

find it less disruptive to give the nighttime doses when we're all together.

I'm not sure how long we will chelate. We're on round 33. I find it hard to

believe we'd be

done at round 50, but can't imagine going past 100 rounds. My understanding is

we'll be

done when we're symtom-free, we do well off of supplements and have no side

effects

during a round.

At first, I was just going to chelate the kids. Then I decided to get the rest

of my

amalgams removed and do myself too. Time is going to go by anyways, and I might

as

well get myself detoxed too. I'm glad that the kids and I can go through this

journey

together. I think I would be more anxious if I didn't know how it felt.

Hope that helps,

in Illinois

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> Does anyone have an idea about the avg length of time people need to

> chelate with the low frequent dosage? One year, 6 months etc?

My kids needed 2-1/4 years of ALA almost every weekend.

> Also how does one know when they are finished chelating. I am assuming

> symptomatically they are better are there other indicators?

I did many rounds at the end of chelation, including one round that

was giving ALA every day for a month, and I saw no changes. At that

time my son tolerated all foods and no longer had gut yeast. Then, he

started regressing with the ALA, which was my indicator that he no

longer needed it. It was approx round 100.

Dana

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>So my question: How smart is it to

> chelate my daughter and myself at the same time?

I'm chelating my son, my daughter, and myself at the same time,

although not necessarily the same days, if that makes sense.

Since I already have a

> problem with yeast I am expecting yeast to be an issue with me on AlA.

I don't know if it will get that much worse when chelating if it's

already a problem.

> I also do not do well on interrupted sleep so I am concerned as to how

> well I will be able to function.

My sleep is already really interrupted because of fibro achiness, so

chelating myself is no big deal at all -- I just check my watch when I

wake up and pop a capsule if it's time. Getting up to do the kids is

another story though. So what I do usually is chelate myself on

different days, and share the nighttime doses for the kids with dh. I

go to bed at 10, he does the midnight dose, I get up for the 4 am dose

after I've been asleep for 6 hours. That works pretty well. If I

chelate *with the kids and have to get up for all the doses it's much

more tiring. SOmetimes then I'll do only one kid for that round and

have him sleep in the bed with me so I only have to roll over to give

it. All of that may or may not apply to your situation, but I thought

I'd just describe how it works here.

> ONe of my symptoms is periodic dizziness.

Yes, my balance was really terrible for awhile there. Yoga and

chelation has helped a lot.

> A couple of other questions:

> Does anyone have an idea about the avg length of time people need to

> chelate with the low frequent dosage? One year, 6 months etc?

Sadly, it takes at least a couple of years, more if you're really

poisoned.

> Also how does one know when they are finished chelating. I am assuming

> symptomatically they are better are there other indicators?

I think Moria's site has more on this. I haven't gotten there yet but

I think when symptoms have resolved and chelators have no effect,

you're done. Andy says the common error is to stop too soon, and I can

really see how that happens -- it's tempting when the symptoms have

subsided a lot.

Nell

> Thanks so much for your support.

>

>

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Thank you for your reply.

In , " lanellici " <lanellici@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> >So my question: How smart is it to

> > chelate my daughter and myself at the same time?

>

> I'm chelating my son, my daughter, and myself at the same time,

> although not necessarily the same days, if that makes sense.

>

> Since I already have a

> > problem with yeast I am expecting yeast to be an issue with me on AlA.

>

> I don't know if it will get that much worse when chelating if it's

> already a problem.

>

> > I also do not do well on interrupted sleep so I am concerned as to how

> > well I will be able to function.

>

> My sleep is already really interrupted because of fibro achiness, so

> chelating myself is no big deal at all -- I just check my watch when I

> wake up and pop a capsule if it's time. Getting up to do the kids is

> another story though. So what I do usually is chelate myself on

> different days, and share the nighttime doses for the kids with dh. I

> go to bed at 10, he does the midnight dose, I get up for the 4 am dose

> after I've been asleep for 6 hours. That works pretty well. If I

> chelate *with the kids and have to get up for all the doses it's much

> more tiring. SOmetimes then I'll do only one kid for that round and

> have him sleep in the bed with me so I only have to roll over to give

> it. All of that may or may not apply to your situation, but I thought

> I'd just describe how it works here.

>

> > ONe of my symptoms is periodic dizziness.

>

> Yes, my balance was really terrible for awhile there. Yoga and

> chelation has helped a lot.

>

> > A couple of other questions:

> > Does anyone have an idea about the avg length of time people need to

> > chelate with the low frequent dosage? One year, 6 months etc?

>

> Sadly, it takes at least a couple of years, more if you're really

> poisoned.

>

> > Also how does one know when they are finished chelating. I am assuming

> > symptomatically they are better are there other indicators?

>

> I think Moria's site has more on this. I haven't gotten there yet but

> I think when symptoms have resolved and chelators have no effect,

> you're done. Andy says the common error is to stop too soon, and I can

> really see how that happens -- it's tempting when the symptoms have

> subsided a lot.

>

> Nell

> > Thanks so much for your support.

> >

> >

>

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>Thank you for your response. Are your kids school age?

ALSo a few people have included dh in their email. This is probably a

stupid question but I am assuming that is some type of abbrevaition

for husband. just wondering.

THanks guys for clueing me in on how it works.

> Hi ,

>

> I'm chelating myself and my 2 NT kids. Based on Andy's description

in his book Amalgam

> Illness and our symptoms, I'd say we're moderately poisoned.

>

> I was concerned how my body would handle chelation. I made a

decision to try 10 rounds

> for myself and for the kids, then re-evaluate. The 10 rounds went

well, and we decided

> to keep going.

>

> When we're on round, the kids sleep in my room with me and dh sleeps

in another room. I

> find it less disruptive to give the nighttime doses when we're all

together.

>

> I'm not sure how long we will chelate. We're on round 33. I find

it hard to believe we'd be

> done at round 50, but can't imagine going past 100 rounds. My

understanding is we'll be

> done when we're symtom-free, we do well off of supplements and have

no side effects

> during a round.

>

> At first, I was just going to chelate the kids. Then I decided to

get the rest of my

> amalgams removed and do myself too. Time is going to go by anyways,

and I might as

> well get myself detoxed too. I'm glad that the kids and I can go

through this journey

> together. I think I would be more anxious if I didn't know how it felt.

>

> Hope that helps,

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

> > Does anyone have an idea about the avg length of time people need to

> > chelate with the low frequent dosage? One year, 6 months etc?

>

>

> My kids needed 2-1/4 years of ALA almost every weekend.

>

>

> > Also how does one know when they are finished chelating. I am assuming

> > symptomatically they are better are there other indicators?

>

>

> I did many rounds at the end of chelation, including one round that

> was giving ALA every day for a month, and I saw no changes. At that

> time my son tolerated all foods and no longer had gut yeast. Then, he

> started regressing with the ALA, which was my indicator that he no

> longer needed it. It was approx round 100.

>

> Dana

>

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dh=dear husband

dd=dear daughter

ds=dear son

Interestingly, I don't think I've seen anyone use dw here, though we defiinitely

have more women posting that men, though certainly not exclusively.

No stupid questions here...

S S

ALSo a few people have included dh in their email. This is probably a<br>

stupid question but I am assuming that is some type of abbrevaition<br>

for husband. just wondering. <br>

THanks guys for clueing me in on how it works. <br>

<br>

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>

> >Thank you for your response. Are your kids school age?

Yes, my kids are 8 and 10. We homeschool, so we have some added flexibility in

the

chelation schedule.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

> >Thanks DAna.

> Did your son pull out of the regression?.

Yes, as soon as I stopped the ALA.

>> I think I read somewhere

> else in another response to another person that you consider that your

> children no longer need a supplement when the exact symptom you are

> trying ot alleviate seems to get worse on a supplement. Am I

> understanding that correctlY?

Yep, that is what generally happens. A supplement will eliminate a

problem, and then a while later, the problem resurfaces, which means

it is time to remove that supplement.

Dana

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Dana wrote:

" Yep, that is what generally happens. A supplement will eliminate a problem, and

then a while later, the problem resurfaces, which means it is time to remove

that supplement. "

This either does not happen for us or the effect is so light we do not notice

it. Once she no longer needs a supplement, there is no response and no reaction

when it is withdrawn.

But shouldn't the body if health is optimal be able to just rid itself of what

is not necessary? Why would someone be so reactive to things not needed?

[Guest guest]

> This either does not happen for us or the effect is so light we do

not notice it. Once she no longer needs a supplement, there is no

response and no reaction when it is withdrawn.

>

> But shouldn't the body if health is optimal be able to just rid

itself of what is not necessary? Why would someone be so reactive to

things not needed?

I wish my son was like that, but he is not. I think it is because he

does not stop needing a supplement [or I don't notice it] until he is

fully loaded. So giving more is causing toxicity issues.

Dana

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I can understand the reaction with the low range toxicity fat soluble

supplements like A, or D, but E has such a high, high toxicity range, something

like 10,000 IU per day before you might even see a side effect, so it is

puzzling.

No matter, convenient if he reacts the same way when he doesn't need something

as when he does. Like the built in gauge I am always wishing for the same as a

gas gauge in your car, so you know just when he is " filled up " . Really, pretty

neat.

Good luck, Dana in your quest for your LAST supplement puzzle. Many of us are

pulling for you.

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time

> This either does not happen for us or the effect is so light we do

not notice it. Once she no longer needs a supplement, there is no

response and no reaction when it is withdrawn.

>

> But shouldn't the body if health is optimal be able to just rid

itself of what is not necessary? Why would someone be so reactive to

things not needed?

I wish my son was like that, but he is not. I think it is because he

does not stop needing a supplement [or I don't notice it] until he is

fully loaded. So giving more is causing toxicity issues.

Dana

[Guest guest]

But why spend money on supplements if the person no longer needs them and why

cause the body any extra work?

S S

> But shouldn't the body if health is optimal be able to just rid<br>

itself of what is not necessary? Why would someone be so reactive to<br>

things not needed?<br>

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Yes, agree with that, wouldn't, was just wondering about the high reactivity

Dana reported. We probably all take things we don't need, everyday, but few of

us react negatively to every supplement or food, we don't need.

Wish I would react negatively to ice cream :-)

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time

But why spend money on supplements if the person no longer needs them and why

cause the body any extra work?

S S

> But shouldn't the body if health is optimal be able to just rid<br>

itself of what is not necessary? Why would someone be so reactive to<br>

things not needed?<br>

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At 10:21 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:

>Just wanted to add that I had always been puzzled about this myself,

>when Dana describes a supplement causing problems when no longer

>needed.

I didn't really understand it, but my doctor explained the why of

this to me once, and it's very common. But at his prices I'm not

sure I need to know the reason

Stroyan

www.empathic-discipline.com

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>

> I can understand the reaction with the low range toxicity fat

soluble supplements like A, or D, but E has such a high, high toxicity

range, something like 10,000 IU per day before you might even see a

side effect, so it is puzzling.

I can't even give my son a probiotic with only 10 billion cells, or he

will have problems with too much good bacteria.

One drop of CLO sends him over the edge with too much vitamin A.

A small handful of vitamin-fortified breakfast cereal, which might

have maybe 10% of USRDA of the vitamins, will cause problems for about

an hour or so. Even B vitamins, which are supposedly just flushed

away if they are too much, will cause problems for my son until his

body eliminates them.

The new fish oil does seem to help with about 80% of the symptoms, so

that is good. I am still seeing residual effects from the flax oil

tho, so I don't know for sure if this is the entire problem or not.

> No matter, convenient if he reacts the same way when he doesn't

need something as when he does. Like the built in gauge I am always

wishing for the same as a gas gauge in your car, so you know just when

he is " filled up " . Really, pretty neat.

Yes, except he " decides " to be full up at the most inconvenient times LOL

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes, agree with that, wouldn't, was just wondering about the high

reactivity Dana reported. We probably all take things we don't need,

everyday, but few of us react negatively to every supplement or food,

we don't need.

>

> Wish I would react negatively to ice cream :-)

I am allergic to chocolate. Everyone tells me how sorry they are that

I have that allergy, but really it is helpful to keep my weight down LOL

Dana