Re: Anybody using this product?

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>

> CheleX - Chelation Formula - 120 VegCaps

> Xymogen - XYM-00087

> CheleXTM

>

> We just started using this weekend. We had some behavior issues.. a

> meltdown on Sunday.

>

The ingredients in this product, especially at these high doses, will

redistribute metals and make the person much, much, horribly,

permanently worse. I shudder every time I see it mentioned.

CheleX - Chelation Formula - 120 VegCaps

Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 2 capsule

Servings per Container: 30

Amount per Serving, % Daily Requirement

DMSA 100 mg, **

EDTA (as calcium EDTA) 300 mg, **

Cilantro 300 mg, **

Chlorella 300 mg, **

Allicin (as organic garlic extract) 6000 mcg, **

Fulvic acid (as Humet-R ) 160 mg, **

N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine 200 mg, **

Alpha-Lipoic Acid 100 mg, **

DMSA - for chelation should be administered in small doses (like 5-15

mg to start) every 4 h around the clock. 100 mg for a child in one

big dose is horrific.

EDTA - shouldn't be used for mercury poisoned people at all

Cilantro - shouldn't be used at all

Chlorella - same thing, shouldn't be used at all

allicin, NAC - because of high sulfur content will make many poisoned

people feel much worse

Fulvic Acid - not necessary

Alpha lipoic acid - for chelation should be administered in small

doses every 3 h around the clock.

See the FAQ here and Andy Cutler's books (links section) for further

explanations.

J

(a poisoned adult)

> We are starting with just giving it to my daughter on the weekends.

> Then after 2 weekends, we are going to give every other day.

>

> Just wondering if any one else has used it.

>

[Guest guest]

This product is really bad news. Consider stopping this immediately before you

make things worse by redistributing the toxic metals into her brain. Please

educate yourself about chelation before you cause your daughter significant

harm. The combination of ingredients is quite problematic as are the doses.

The reasons for not using Cilantro as a chelator are described in the FAQs of

this list or on Moria's site. EDTA's not a good idea either. I don't know how

much your daughter weighs but unless it's 200-800 lbs these are way too high

doses of DMSA and ALA (giving just one capsule). Read the FAQs of this list for

the details of Andy's protocol: 1/8-1/2 mg per lb every 3 hours during the day

for ALA and every 4 hours for DMSA day and night and for ALA at night for at

least 3 days in a row and 3 or more days off.

Also, please tell us that your daughter does NOT have any mercury amalgam dental

fillings? What toxic metals are you trying to chelate?

If I were getting this product I'd be having behavior problems and meltdowns,

too.

S S

Item CheleX - Chelation Formula - 120 VegCaps

Xymogen - XYM-00087

CheleXTM

Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 2 capsule

Servings per Container: 30

Amount per Serving, % Daily Requirement

DMSA 100 mg, **

EDTA (as calcium EDTA) 300 mg, **

Cilantro 300 mg, **

Chlorella 300 mg, **

Allicin (as organic garlic extract) 6000 mcg, **

Fulvic acid (as Humet-R®) 160 mg, **

N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine 200 mg, **

Alpha-Lipoic Acid 100 mg, **

** Daily Value not established.

Other ingredients: HPMC, magnesium stearate and stearic acid. .

<p>CheleX - Chelation Formula - 120 VegCaps <br>

Xymogen - XYM-00087 <br>

CheleXTM<br>

<br>

We just started using this weekend. We had some behavior issues.. a <br>

meltdown on Sunday. <br>

<br>

We are starting with just giving it to my daughter on the weekends. <br>

Then after 2 weekends, we are going to give every other day.<br>

<br>

Just wondering if any one else has used it.<br>

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>

>

> This product is really bad news.

It sure is. Dangerous. 100 mgs of ALA by itself gave me panic attacks,

and I weigh 150. I can't imagine what taking all that other stuff

along with it on an every-other-day schedule would be like.

Read here for good information about how to chelate safely.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

Nell

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Did a DAN! doctor prescribe this CheleX? I'd find another doc.

Sorry we are so harsh, but this CheleX really sounds only like

trouble.

Pam

>

> <p>CheleX - Chelation Formula - 120 VegCaps <br>

> Xymogen - XYM-00087 <br>

> CheleXTM<br>

> <br>

> We just started using this weekend. We had some behavior issues..

a <br>

> meltdown on Sunday. <br>

> <br>

> We are starting with just giving it to my daughter on the

weekends. <br>

> Then after 2 weekends, we are going to give every other day.<br>

> <br>

> Just wondering if any one else has used it.<br>

>

>

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She doesn't have any fillings. We are chelating for lead and aluminum.

She is on the autistic spectrum, but is high functioning. She has adhd

and had like 3 times the allowable lead from hair tests. No mercury.

Or at least none that showed in her testing.

We have been using PCA-RX (6 months) and BioChelate(3 months).

[Guest guest]

Betsy,

Are you saying you added this CheleX (is that the name?)in addition

to the PCA-Rx and Biochelate; or in place of those two?

No mercury in the hair is extremely common for our children. A

normally functioning person will have mercury in their hair; it is

the body ridding itself of everyday exposure to toxins. It seems,

for some reason, that mercury stays in the tissues instead.

So, no mercury in the hair probably means she has retained the

mercury in her tissues; not that she has no mercury in her system.

DMSA/ALA will also chelate mercury. Check your environment for

current lead exposure, too.

http://www.scorecard.org/env-releases/def/lead_exposure.html

Good luck!

Pam

>

> She doesn't have any fillings. We are chelating for lead and

aluminum.

> She is on the autistic spectrum, but is high functioning. She has

adhd

> and had like 3 times the allowable lead from hair tests. No

mercury.

>

> Or at least none that showed in her testing.

>

> We have been using PCA-RX (6 months) and BioChelate(3 months).

>

[Guest guest]

Mercury normally shows low on hair tests, in mercury poisoned kids. Ours showed

no mercury either, but plenty came out with chelation.

[ ] Re: Anybody using this product?

She doesn't have any fillings. We are chelating for lead and aluminum.

She is on the autistic spectrum, but is high functioning. She has adhd

and had like 3 times the allowable lead from hair tests. No mercury.

Or at least none that showed in her testing.

We have been using PCA-RX (6 months) and BioChelate(3 months).

[Guest guest]

We added CheleX in addition to the 2 products. We are also doing urine

tests. Have done 3 so far. No mercury..that we have seen.

We believe we have a virus issue and lead.

I feel so torn. I really trust my practitioner. He has been my life

line ever since we met him. I have so much faith in his opinion.

>

> Betsy,

>

> Are you saying you added this CheleX (is that the name?)in addition

> to the PCA-Rx and Biochelate; or in place of those two?

>

[Guest guest]

It's hard, they're so nice. Probably so was the pediatrician who told you the

vaxes wouldn't lead to autism. In the end, do your own research as it won't

matter how nice your practitioner is, just how well your boy does.

Very, very few people know how to do chelation without inducing more damage.

Read all the message boards and you will find heartbreaking posts from lots of

parents with nice practitioners whose children are now more autistic due to

harmful chelation protocols. Not trying to be mean, just trying to keep you from

using someone's protocol because they are nice and they know other things.

I did read all the message boards, for about 9 months before we started. Take

your time, better to pick the safest protocol than the earliest one.

[ ] Re: Anybody using this product?

We added CheleX in addition to the 2 products. We are also doing urine

tests. Have done 3 so far. No mercury..that we have seen.

We believe we have a virus issue and lead.

I feel so torn. I really trust my practitioner. He has been my life

line ever since we met him. I have so much faith in his opinion.

>

> Betsy,

>

> Are you saying you added this CheleX (is that the name?)in addition

> to the PCA-Rx and Biochelate; or in place of those two?

>

[Guest guest]

But, the question is--- Do you believe him to be flawless? This is something you

can't take back...............

B.

Mother of Jake-My Hero- 4.5 yrs. old, Diagnosed Autistic January 12, 2006

I Live it, Breathe it, Sleep it, and Dream it

[ ] Re: Anybody using this product?

We added CheleX in addition to the 2 products. We are also doing urine

tests. Have done 3 so far. No mercury..that we have seen.

We believe we have a virus issue and lead.

I feel so torn. I really trust my practitioner. He has been my life

line ever since we met him. I have so much faith in his opinion.

>

> Betsy,

>

> Are you saying you added this CheleX (is that the name?)in addition

> to the PCA-Rx and Biochelate; or in place of those two?

>

[Guest guest]

We did 1/2 half the serving size.

[Guest guest]

This stuff is really, really, really scary looking! Yikes! Please

don't use this.

Anne

>

> <p>CheleX - Chelation Formula - 120 VegCaps <br>

> Xymogen - XYM-00087 <br>

> CheleXTM<br>

> <br>

> We just started using this weekend. We had some behavior issues..

a <br>

> meltdown on Sunday. <br>

> <br>

> We are starting with just giving it to my daughter on the

weekends. <br>

> Then after 2 weekends, we are going to give every other day.<br>

> <br>

> Just wondering if any one else has used it.<br>

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

> The most personalized portal on the Web!

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Where do I find the FAQ for this Forum?

Thanks so much for your insight.. all of you..

[Guest guest]

A hair test from Doctor's Data Inc will give the most information

about toxicity.

I will read abou the counting.. To see if I can understand that..

We were told we would do a urine test monthly to check progress..

[Guest guest]

>

> Where do I find the FAQ for this Forum?

>

> Thanks so much for your insight.. all of you..

>

I found the FAQ.. thanks..

I will read..

[Guest guest]

Yes, they did a study, compared hair samples of kids with ASD and NT kids and

found the ASD kids had no to low mercury coming out, that is the telling sign,

not for other metals, but for mercury.

So the information you get when you look at a hair test and see little to no

mercury coming out is, mercury poisoning.

[ ] Re: Anybody using this product?

A hair test from Doctor's Data Inc will give the most information

about toxicity.

I will read abou the counting.. To see if I can understand that..

We were told we would do a urine test monthly to check progress..

[Guest guest]

You know, it is probably jumping the gun to run to another doctor (I

take back what I said). Finding another person to help can be

easier said than done.

What you should do is take time to learn about the way most of us

here on Autism-mercury have chosen to chelate. After reading why we

do what we do, you can decide if you wish to talk to your doctor

about a new treatment plan before dumping him all together. He

might be very open to what you have to say. He might not. I

suppose it is worth a discussion.

We aren't peddling any specific product here. What we do 'preach'

is a safe, low dose/high dose frequency method to chelation that

truly can make a positive difference in your child's life. What

your doc has prescribed falls outside our comfort zone and raises

red flags; that is why the responses have been so intense.

What reason does your doc give for using all of these products at

once? Is he trying to shake that mercury loose?

Pam

> >

> > Betsy,

> >

> > Are you saying you added this CheleX (is that the name?)in

addition

> > to the PCA-Rx and Biochelate; or in place of those two?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> What reason does your doc give for using all of these products at

> once? Is he trying to shake that mercury loose?

>

> Pam

Well, he indicated that he didn't believe she had a mercury issue, and

that with most girl patients it was lead and aluminum that were the

issues.

He said PCA-RX was very mild as was Bio-Chelate.

This week went to see him and he had us add Pay Attention to our

suppliments.

My husband mentioned that the tests we had recently taken didn't seem

to lowering the lead, and he wanted to try something else.

So he told us to add Chelex. Since I do read this forum, I ask him

about regression I heard other parents mention, and I was worried

about that. He indicated that he has studied with great chelators..

and this formula is ok .... not the absolute, but no redistibution has

occurred with this product and they have been doing this for years.

So, I said Ok, cool..

Then I posted on this forum.. and now I am freaking out..

We have only used it 3 times, at 1/2 the dosage recommended. My

daughter weighs 60lbs.

We will reduce to 1/4 if we continue at all.

I also will do another Elemental Hair Analysis and try to do the

counting thing.

[Guest guest]

If you've already done a DDI hair elements test you can post the results and

we'll help apply counting rules. You need to see which toxins you're actually

dealing with. Lead takes a l o n g time but even longer if it's not really

what you're dealing with. Ask for the names of those " great " chelators with

whom he studied to make sure they're not the folks marketing these products.

Be careful about believing what doctors say, that's how many of us got mercury

poisoned in the first place. Sounds like his belief about the toxins she's

dealing with is based solely on the fact that she's female rather than any

objective info.

S S

Well, he indicated that he didn't believe she had a mercury issue, and<br>

that with most girl patients it was lead and aluminum that were the<br>

issues.<br>

<br>

He said PCA-RX was very mild as was Bio-Chelate.<br>

<br>

This week went to see him and he had us add Pay Attention to our<br>

suppliments.<br>

<br>

My husband mentioned that the tests we had recently taken didn't seem<br>

to lowering the lead, and he wanted to try something else.<br>

<br>

So he told us to add Chelex. Since I do read this forum, I ask him<br>

about regression I heard other parents mention, and I was worried<br>

about that. He indicated that he has studied with great chelators..<br>

and this formula is ok .... not the absolute, but no redistibution has<br>

occurred with this product and they have been doing this for years.<br>

<br>

So, I said Ok, cool..<br>

<br>

Then I posted on this forum.. and now I am freaking out..<br>

<br>

We have only used it 3 times, at 1/2 the dosage recommended. My<br>

daughter weighs 60lbs.<br>

<br>

We will reduce to 1/4 if we continue at all.<br>

<br>

I also will do another Elemental Hair Analysis and try to do the<br>

counting thing.<br>

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>

>

>

> If you've already done a DDI hair elements test you can post the

results and we'll help apply counting rules. You need to see which

toxins you're actually dealing with. Lead takes a l o n g time but

even longer if it's not really what you're dealing with. Ask for the

names of those " great " chelators with whom he studied to make sure

they're not the folks marketing these products.

>

So, I called Doctor Data, and they said I had to have a physician

order this test for us.

So I need to speak to my practitioner to get this test?

Hmm.. Ok.. I thought I could just order it.. and they would send it to

me and I would do the sample..

Ok, well, I'm seeing my practitioner on Monday, as my daughter is

doing a HBOT treatment in his office..

I'll get it then..

Thanks..

[Guest guest]

>

oducts.

> >

> So, I called Doctor Data, and they said I had to have a physician

> order this test for us.

>

> So I need to speak to my practitioner to get this test?

>

Or, it can be obtained without a physician from www.directlabs.com

> Hmm.. Ok.. I thought I could just order it.. and they would send it to

> me and I would do the sample..

>

> Ok, well, I'm seeing my practitioner on Monday, as my daughter is

> doing a HBOT treatment in his office..

>

> I'll get it then..

>

> Thanks..

>

[Guest guest]

You can get the DDI hair elements test kit through Direct Lab Services (DLS)

without a doc. If you mention this list, they'll give you a discount. If you

have a willing doc who will order the correct test that's generally less

expensive.

S S

" betsyjmt " <bthiede@...<wbr>> wrote:<br>

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oducts. <br>

> > <br>

> So, I called Doctor Data, and they said I had to have a physician<br>

> order this test for us.<br>

> <br>

> So I need to speak to my practitioner to get this test?<br>

> <br>

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We tried oral and transdermal chelation on our son with no results. Although I

always recommend trying oral and transdermal first. Our 10 year old only

responded well to IV chelation. EDTA and DMPS IV every 2 weeks and finally we

are seeing tons of lead coming out! On the weekends between IV's I give products

like this, in small oral doses every 3-4 hours Fri afternoon - Monday morning.

So far this seems to be working great!!

winnchimes

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