Re: vaccine time for 15 month old

[Guest guest]

Hi.. Vaccinations are necessary for your child so they dont get sick,

in my opinon I dont see a correlation to autism and vaccinations, I feel it

is one of those things that just happend. I heard somewhere on the news that

the vaccinations may not be the cause of autism. Go ahead with the

vaccinations, ask your peditrician what you should do I am not clear on the

omega stuff.

My Son was diagnoised at three and half and he was having other

developmental problems around the age of 2. He had all his shots etc if you dont

vaccinate they will not be allowed to attend school with an incomplete shot

record.

Just my thoughts I am just a parent like you.. not a doctor:) Call your

peditrican for any concerns:) Blessings LISA

[Guest guest]

Hi,

This is your child and obviously you are a great mom for caring and asking

these questions. You really may want to hold off on these vaccines but if you

do not, may I humbly suggest that you consider using Hopewell Pharmacy - they

make single dose, preservative free vaccines that are available to anyone w/ a

Dr's rx. As we are not giving our son any more vaccines I do not know of the

preferred administration schedule for single dose vaccines, you may want to look

that up and / or ask you developmental pediatrician. You can also look at

http://www.danasview.net for suggested dosages. Good luck :-)

" asd.mom3 " <alawson@...> wrote:

I am fairly new to the group and I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum.

He has a NT 15 mos old whose doctor is pushy about vaccinations. I

haven't done varicella or MMR yet. I don't feel this was the cause of

my 3 yr olds diagnosis but there is some concern here. I am going to

give it to him in 3 mos but only one of the two. Which should I do?

Also does anyone know what dosage for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 should

be given to a 15 mos old who weighs 30 pds? I read somewhere that its

wise to make sure to give Vit C and omega 3 before and after vaccines.

Any advice would be appreciated?

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Personally I wouldn't do either. Varicella is simply the chicken pox which is

something much better gotten as a child. Going the vaccine route he will always

have to keep up to date to prevent him from getting it as an adult which is

actually dangerous vs. getting it as a child. It is also a live virus vaccine

which is dangerous just on that basis. Many kids who are ASD have bad viral

issues. It is because of live viruses vaccines. Their bodies just don't react

correctly and it causes many problems. Many who have done viral treatment

experience amazing results. Look at the research done by people on this group

with this. Enzymestuff.com has all the information on a recent study done.

Look at the NVICs website on vaccine reactions. There are actually kids who

develop shingles from this vaccine. That is so incredible painful and scarring.

It can also reoccur at any time the rest of that kid's life.

The MMR is also unnecessary and amongst the most dangerous. It is a

combination of three live viruses vaccines. Again, the NVICs website can give

you great information on the possible outcomes from giving this vaccine.

ThinkTwice is another great website.

This vaccine is also known to be one of the worst for our ASD kids. The viral

issues they have are from live viruses and the measles is the worst. Many kids

who have been studied have shown to have active measles inside their bodies. We

don't see it like you normally would though. They don't have the rash or

illness but have immune system dysfunction and worsening of their ASD symptoms.

Sometimes the only way you will know if there is a viral issue is to try a viral

protocol.

My son I didn't think had a viral issue until I did this. He also never

reacted to any vaccine right away. After his last round of shots at 13 months

nothing until about a month later, he regressed into autism. It is very hard to

know which shots your child reacted to. I would put money on the possibility of

your ASD child having viral issues though. We have been doing biomed with our

son for 4 1/2 years now and I only realized the connection within the last year.

Before you vaccinate this next child I would really look into this. Think

about how necessary these vaccines really are. One study I read said you were

44 times more likely to die from the mumps vaccine than you were from mumps.

Another said that many to most of the people who get these viruses were fully

vaccinated. That is the case in the midwest with mumps now. The bulk of people

diagnosed are college students who were vaccinated right before starting school.

Those most recently vaccinated where the most likely to get it.

Don't let anyone, especially your doctor bully you into vaccinating. They

always think they know best but most don't have any idea beyond what they are

taught in school. And medical students get the bulk of their education from

pharma companies. They are pressured to get all their patients vaccinated.

Vaccines are a multi-billion dollar money maker and money always corrupts.

I have been researching vaccines since my son's diagnosis. I would never

dismiss the possiblity of vaccines doing harm. With the introduction of all

these new vaccines you would think our kids would be healthier for it but that

is so not the case. Asthma, seizures, arthritis, cancer, ADD, ADHD, learning

disabilities, diabetes, severe allergies, autism...are all on the rise in

children. Seems like everyone has a child with one of these issues.

I vaccinated my oldest but not my two youngest who are just about 4 and 2. I

don't regret it at all. They are so much healthier than my oldest was. It can

be hard to go against what your doctor says but you have to do what is best for

your children. Doctors are a dime a dozen and can be replaced, your child's

health or life can't. The first time I told a doctor I wasn't vaccinating she

had a fit. Pissed me off because if she didn't care enough to have a discussion

with me like adults then it was obvious she only cared about her vaccination

rate and not my infant son. It was easy to walk out and never go back.

It is really good that you are starting to do research, definitely keep it

up!!!

" asd.mom3 " <alawson@...> wrote:

I am fairly new to the group and I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum.

He has a NT 15 mos old whose doctor is pushy about vaccinations. I

haven't done varicella or MMR yet. I don't feel this was the cause of

my 3 yr olds diagnosis but there is some concern here. I am going to

give it to him in 3 mos but only one of the two. Which should I do?

Also does anyone know what dosage for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 should

be given to a 15 mos old who weighs 30 pds? I read somewhere that its

wise to make sure to give Vit C and omega 3 before and after vaccines.

Any advice would be appreciated?

“If you think you are too small to be effective, you’ve never been in bed with a

mosquito!” –Betty Reese

“Uneducated people believe what they are told…Educated people question what

they are told.” –Helen Keller

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[Guest guest]

I also have a 3-year old with autism and 14-month old (so far) NT

twins that I am trying to make that decision for. I didn't give

them varicella at 12 months because they were sick and they've off

and on had minor illnesses since, so I haven't done it. I decided

to wait on MMR, maybe until age 2. My pediatrician was supportive

of my decision to wait given the status of my older child (and the

fact my twins aren't in daycare or preschool), not sure what she

would have said if I'd said I didn't want to do it at all.

A popular DAN! Doc in our area advocates a modified vaccine schedule

if you do decide to vaccinate. If you are interested I can try to

find it for you. It's basically doing single dose and spreading out

so as to not stress the system. I think he doesn't recommend

chicken pox at all, but I'm probably going to do it, still on the

fence. But, as another pediatrician told me " it's really just his

opinion on what to do " which is true, but then any vaccine schedule

is just opinion, maybe just by a larger group of people with the

same opinion. It is all just a matter of weighing the risks. I'm

going to look up those websites that other person posted because

I've never heard that statistic about the mumps vaccine.

I share your frustration - I couldn't link my child's autism with

any specific event and if you'd asked me before I had kids if I

thought there was any link, I would have said no, but the mom in me

now with 2 more kids to worry about isn't quite sure...

> I am fairly new to the group and I have a 3 yr old on

the spectrum.

> He has a NT 15 mos old whose doctor is pushy about vaccinations. I

> haven't done varicella or MMR yet. I don't feel this was the cause

of

> my 3 yr olds diagnosis but there is some concern here. I am going

to

> give it to him in 3 mos but only one of the two. Which should I

do?

> Also does anyone know what dosage for Vit C and CLO or omega 3

should

> be given to a 15 mos old who weighs 30 pds? I read somewhere that

its

> wise to make sure to give Vit C and omega 3 before and after

vaccines.

> Any advice would be appreciated?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " If you think you are too small to be effective, you've never been

in bed with a mosquito! " –Betty Reese

>

> " Uneducated people believe what they are told…Educated people

question what they are told. " –Helen Keller

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

We're in a similar position and here is my thinking at the moment.

Mumps, to me, isn't bad enough to warrant the risk of the vaccine.

Rubella only becomes an issue for girls around puberty so we will

probably do that then. That leaves measles, which I may give my

younger child before she starts school but I'm in no rush.

Unfortunately she got the chicken pox before I was fully aware of the

negatives, otherwise I would hold off till later elementary school

since it's better to get chicken pox naturally as a child but is very

serious as an adult.

I've found it's best not to ask for opinions but to state how it is--

she's NOT getting the shot now, for example. Or you can say you're

following DAN! guidelines.

>

> I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum and he has a NT 15 mos old brother

> whose doctor is pushy about MMR and varicella because I've passed

each

> well check for shot time. I am eventually going to give it too him

> but one at a time. Which shot should I give first? Does anyone know

> dosages for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 for a 15 mos old weighing 30

pds?

> I read somewhere you should give these 2 things before and after

> these vaccines. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

We were recently...within the last 3-4 months...talking about mumps on the

autism and mercury group I think. You can go to obinasu.com and search mumps.

Just check the box for autism/mercury to it only searches messages from that

group.

Another great website is GenerationRescue.org. It is more science based and

has tons of published studies. There are also stories of recovered kids, so

incredible!!!

I definitely believe if anyone is even considering giving vaccines to their

kids to research the heck out of it. So many people search for months to find

the perfect vehicle they want to buy but don't give a second thought to what is

being injected into their babies. Know what is in there, how it affects the

body, what is the safety data, what is the likelyhood you child would actually

catch the disease/viruses, what the typical outcome from that would be, and all

possible side effects from giving it.

Many people have no idea a couple are cultured in aborted fetal tissue. If

you are pro or anti abortion it doesn't matter here. What is scary is that DNA

from those babies is not going to be able to get totally strained out and will

be injected into your baby. Nobody knows what this is doing to a developing

baby.

Or that the polio vaccine is cultured in monkey kidneys which are not always

tested for SV-40 which causes cancer. Coupled with the fact that childhood

cancer is rising by 10% each year...

Or that there is no safety data for several of the ingredients, none.

Substances so dangerous they can't be tested on humans.

So many things to know about. Know the benefits and the risks. It is your

baby, know what you are getting into.

For me, I know without any doubt what-so-ever that vaccines were what made my

son autistic. I believe it like I believe in God. He regressed at 14 months

into typical autism. Borderline moderate to severe. We started biomed within

about 6 months and that is the only route of treatment we have taken. He is 6

1/2 now and a completely different child. We have been told he is likely

aspergers now and not autistic. He is so close to a typical kid, it has been a

miracle!!! Only by undoing the damage the vaccines did to him are we getting

our son back.

Good luck in your research!!!

lreheiser <laurel_reheiser@...> wrote:

I also have a 3-year old with autism and 14-month old (so far) NT

twins that I am trying to make that decision for. I didn't give

them varicella at 12 months because they were sick and they've off

and on had minor illnesses since, so I haven't done it. I decided

to wait on MMR, maybe until age 2. My pediatrician was supportive

of my decision to wait given the status of my older child (and the

fact my twins aren't in daycare or preschool), not sure what she

would have said if I'd said I didn't want to do it at all.

A popular DAN! Doc in our area advocates a modified vaccine schedule

if you do decide to vaccinate. If you are interested I can try to

find it for you. It's basically doing single dose and spreading out

so as to not stress the system. I think he doesn't recommend

chicken pox at all, but I'm probably going to do it, still on the

fence. But, as another pediatrician told me " it's really just his

opinion on what to do " which is true, but then any vaccine schedule

is just opinion, maybe just by a larger group of people with the

same opinion. It is all just a matter of weighing the risks. I'm

going to look up those websites that other person posted because

I've never heard that statistic about the mumps vaccine.

I share your frustration - I couldn't link my child's autism with

any specific event and if you'd asked me before I had kids if I

thought there was any link, I would have said no, but the mom in me

now with 2 more kids to worry about isn't quite sure...

> I am fairly new to the group and I have a 3 yr old on

the spectrum.

> He has a NT 15 mos old whose doctor is pushy about vaccinations. I

> haven't done varicella or MMR yet. I don't feel this was the cause

of

> my 3 yr olds diagnosis but there is some concern here. I am going

to

> give it to him in 3 mos but only one of the two. Which should I

do?

> Also does anyone know what dosage for Vit C and CLO or omega 3

should

> be given to a 15 mos old who weighs 30 pds? I read somewhere that

its

> wise to make sure to give Vit C and omega 3 before and after

vaccines.

> Any advice would be appreciated?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " If you think you are too small to be effective, you've never been

in bed with a mosquito! " –Betty Reese

>

> " Uneducated people believe what they are told…Educated people

question what they are told. " –Helen Keller

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Find a different doctor. If you let him give these he'll push again when it's

time for the next ones. Good for you for refusing so far. Stand up for your

child. Please read " What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Childhood Vaccines "

by Cave. Do NOT let him give the MMR. At the very least have the M,

M, and R given separately if you're going to give them.

S S

<p>I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum and he has a NT 15 mos old

brother<br>

whose doctor is pushy about MMR and varicella because I've passed each<br>

well check for shot time. I am eventually going to give it too him<br>

but one at a time. Which shot should I give first? Does anyone know<br>

dosages for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 for a 15 mos old weighing 30 pds?<br>

I read somewhere you should give these 2 things before and after<br>

these vaccines. Any suggestions would be appreciated.<wbr><br>

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My second son Jay was never vaccinated at all and is also autistic, however I

completely agree with here, it is quite simply in your doctor's inerest

to vaccinate your child. I also very strongly susect that had I vaccinated Jay

it

would have been a brick wall rather than heavy curtain to get through.

Doctors like these are liike the dentists who told me that amalgam is not

dangerous!!!!! very scary. Please please please before you make a decision

read more about the damage that vaccines can do. Whatever you decide is

not easy, but there are other options, homeopathy for one. I allowed my first

son to have most vaccines except for mmr and have regretted it ever since,

get more informed about this before you decide, there are brilliant books out

now, ( eg. the vaccination bible ) and I'm sure there are other boards which

deal more head on with mercury and atism etc where you could ask

questions. It's a very heady subject and I dont want to go on, but please think

more before you make a decision, your doctor is not part of the equation, just

you and your child, please dont let his bullying get in the way of you making

this decision, really wishing you all the best, Josie x

> I am fairly new to the group and I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum.

> He has a NT 15 mos old whose doctor is pushy about vaccinations. I

> haven't done varicella or MMR yet. I don't feel this was the cause of

> my 3 yr olds diagnosis but there is some concern here. I am going to

> give it to him in 3 mos but only one of the two. Which should I do?

> Also does anyone know what dosage for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 should

> be given to a 15 mos old who weighs 30 pds? I read somewhere that its

> wise to make sure to give Vit C and omega 3 before and after vaccines.

> Any advice would be appreciated?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " If you think you are too small to be effective, you've never been in bed with

a mosquito! " –Betty Reese

>

> " Uneducated people believe what they are told…Educated people

question what they are told. " –Helen Keller

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Why would you ever give chicken pox?

Kathy

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[Guest guest]

This is an awesome discussion group for vax info.

_http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47_

(http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47)

Read every post you can by Momtezuma Tuatara. The knowledge she has about

vaccines and VPD's is incredible. She recently had a book published.

Kim

[Guest guest]

,

How many of us survived chicken pox? I did and had a pretty good case of it

too. I personally regret giving my non asd child the MMR. He has had gut

issues since this and when I had his titers checked 3 years after it....

they were still sky high as if he had all three viruses or was recently

vaccinated! Go figure. I am glad that I stopped vaccinating him too as I

wish I would have checked to see if he had any of my titers from when I was

pregnant with him/nursing.

I would space them MMR's out separately and give them at least 6 months

apart. Do more research on each of then individually. If you are concerned

with school, you can always provide them with a religious or philosophical

exemption. This worked well with my non asd child for Kindergarten.

Whatever you do, do NOT let them give him the new MMRV immunization.... MMR

+ varicella. Way too much for immature immune system and neurology to

handle. MMR is what push my son over the edge and too bad I didn't have the

information back then when my second child was born. I would have done

things with him differently. He has now mild motor planning issues and

resolved hypotonia.... both neurological issues.... oh, plus chronic

constipation problems in the past!

Jackie---

----- Original Message -----

From: " Meade " <jenniferdmeade@...>

> Hi,

> This is your child and obviously you are a great mom for caring and

> asking these questions. You really may want to hold off on these vaccines

> but if you do not, may I humbly suggest that you consider using Hopewell

> Pharmacy - they make single dose, preservative free vaccines that are

> available to anyone w/ a Dr's rx. As we are not giving our son any more

> vaccines I do not know of the preferred administration schedule for single

> dose vaccines, you may want to look that up and / or ask you developmental

> pediatrician. You can also look at http://www.danasview.net for suggested

> dosages. Good luck :-)

>

> " asd.mom3 " <alawson@...> wrote:

> I am fairly new to the group and I have a 3 yr old on the

> spectrum.

> He has a NT 15 mos old whose doctor is pushy about vaccinations. I

> haven't done varicella or MMR yet. I don't feel this was the cause of

> my 3 yr olds diagnosis but there is some concern here. I am going to

> give it to him in 3 mos but only one of the two. Which should I do?

> Also does anyone know what dosage for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 should

> be given to a 15 mos old who weighs 30 pds? I read somewhere that its

> wise to make sure to give Vit C and omega 3 before and after vaccines.

> Any advice would be appreciated?

[Guest guest]

All I can say is there's someone on the asd solutions list who recently did

basically this and immediately after the shot the child started having

problems. First fever, then serious gut issues. It was very heartbreaking

to read.

Make the decision for yourself, not because of a pushy doctor and maybe

consider finding a new doctor. Also, in some (most?) states varicella is

not required for school admission and getting chickpox actually confers some

longer term benefits.

Plus boys are way more likely to be asd and with a sibling already diagnosed

I'd be hard pressed to not say no thanks...

on 7/13/06 5:43 PM, at

wrote:

> 3. vaccine time for 15 month old

> Posted by: " asd.mom3 " alawson@... asd.mom3

> Date: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:36 am (PDT)

>

> I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum and he has a NT 15 mos old brother

> whose doctor is pushy about MMR and varicella because I've passed each

> well check for shot time. I am eventually going to give it too him

> but one at a time. Which shot should I give first? Does anyone know

> dosages for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 for a 15 mos old weighing 30 pds?

> I read somewhere you should give these 2 things before and after

> these vaccines. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

I would have to second that opinion. I'm not sure if mercury played

a role in my son's Autism, but everything went South after the MMR

shot. His titers also came up high recently, and because we had

them checked we have a medical exemption. My baby has so far been

so genetically similar to my ASD son, everyone has wondered if I am

worried. But he's 16 months old now, completely unvaccinated and

pointing, talking, walking, and pretend playing. He is the fastest

to hit developmental milestones of all four of my young children. I

realize it's a scary thing to have to worry about all those

illnesses, but I'll take my chance any day with the measles over the

hell I've been through with Autism.

> ,

> How many of us survived chicken pox? I did and had a pretty good

case of it

> too. I personally regret giving my non asd child the MMR. He has

had gut

> issues since this and when I had his titers checked 3 years after

it....

> they were still sky high as if he had all three viruses or was

recently

> vaccinated! Go figure. I am glad that I stopped vaccinating him

too as I

> wish I would have checked to see if he had any of my titers from

when I was

> pregnant with him/nursing.

>

> I would space them MMR's out separately and give them at least 6

months

> apart. Do more research on each of then individually. If you are

concerned

> with school, you can always provide them with a religious or

philosophical

> exemption. This worked well with my non asd child for

Kindergarten.

> Whatever you do, do NOT let them give him the new MMRV

immunization.... MMR

> + varicella. Way too much for immature immune system and

neurology to

> handle. MMR is what push my son over the edge and too bad I

didn't have the

> information back then when my second child was born. I would have

done

> things with him differently. He has now mild motor planning

issues and

> resolved hypotonia.... both neurological issues.... oh, plus

chronic

> constipation problems in the past!

>

> Jackie---

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Meade " <jenniferdmeade@...>

> > Hi,

> > This is your child and obviously you are a great mom for caring

and

> > asking these questions. You really may want to hold off on

these vaccines

> > but if you do not, may I humbly suggest that you consider using

Hopewell

> > Pharmacy - they make single dose, preservative free vaccines

that are

> > available to anyone w/ a Dr's rx. As we are not giving our son

any more

> > vaccines I do not know of the preferred administration schedule

for single

> > dose vaccines, you may want to look that up and / or ask you

developmental

> > pediatrician. You can also look at http://www.danasview.net for

suggested

> > dosages. Good luck :-)

> >

> > " asd.mom3 " <alawson@...> wrote:

> > I am fairly new to the group and I have a 3 yr old on

the

> > spectrum.

> > He has a NT 15 mos old whose doctor is pushy about vaccinations.

I

> > haven't done varicella or MMR yet. I don't feel this was the

cause of

> > my 3 yr olds diagnosis but there is some concern here. I am

going to

> > give it to him in 3 mos but only one of the two. Which should I

do?

> > Also does anyone know what dosage for Vit C and CLO or omega 3

should

> > be given to a 15 mos old who weighs 30 pds? I read somewhere

that its

> > wise to make sure to give Vit C and omega 3 before and after

vaccines.

> > Any advice would be appreciated?

>

[Guest guest]

,

I would HIGHLY recommend the book " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You

About Children's Vaccinations " by Dr. Cave and Deborah

. Dr. Cave is a very respected DAN! doc and I recently heard

her say that she still feels the vaccination schedule in the back of

her book is the best one if you choose to vaccinate. In the book,

they go through each vaccine and explain what it does, how it works

and the benefits/risks as well as the timing and ways to avert

potential problems.

Don't give in to the doctor. Only give a vaccination (or any other

medical treatment) when you understand it and know that you have made

a good decision, not when you feel pressured to accept what someone

else is telling you.

Trish in PA

>

> I am fairly new to the group and I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum.

> He has a NT 15 mos old whose doctor is pushy about vaccinations.

[Guest guest]

For all you " young 'uns " ! Just realize that those of us who came before you got

all of these diseases as children and lived to tell about it. IT was EXPECTED

that most kids would get the measles, chickenpox, and maybe the mumps. NO BIG

DEAL. Yes, a few cases were serious, but for the most part that was just a rite

of passage. It absolutely kills me the way big Pharma makes these diseases sound

like KILLERS just so they can sell vaccines. I have lifetime immunity--that's

better than what's in that vaccine vial anyday.

Barb

[ ] Re: vaccine time for 15 month old

We're in a similar position and here is my thinking at the moment.

Mumps, to me, isn't bad enough to warrant the risk of the vaccine.

Rubella only becomes an issue for girls around puberty so we will

probably do that then. That leaves measles, which I may give my

younger child before she starts school but I'm in no rush.

Unfortunately she got the chicken pox before I was fully aware of the

negatives, otherwise I would hold off till later elementary school

since it's better to get chicken pox naturally as a child but is very

serious as an adult.

I've found it's best not to ask for opinions but to state how it is--

she's NOT getting the shot now, for example. Or you can say you're

following DAN! guidelines.

>

> I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum and he has a NT 15 mos old brother

> whose doctor is pushy about MMR and varicella because I've passed

each

> well check for shot time. I am eventually going to give it too him

> but one at a time. Which shot should I give first? Does anyone know

> dosages for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 for a 15 mos old weighing 30

pds?

> I read somewhere you should give these 2 things before and after

> these vaccines. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah Barb!!! At 32 I remember getting the chicken pox as a child. It wasn't

fun but in about a week it was over. Itchy but no complications at all. I also

know what shingles can do to a person. My grandmother's face is badly scarred

from getting them there. I have known others who have gotten them and the pain

is extreme. I would risk my child getting the chicken pox over the possibility

of getting shingles anyday. People have to be careful about media like attempts

to scare parents into avoiding shots. There was never any big talk about kids

dying from chicken pox until they decided to bring out the vaccine. It happens

that way all the time when they bring out a new vaccine. They hype up the

situation then ride in like a knight on a white horse to save the day.

There is a book by Neil Zimmer that has all kinds of documentation that shows

that that death rate from all of these diseases was dropping prior to vaccine

introduction. It was a result of better living conditions. In his book it is

also talked about how the criteria for diagnosis for many of the diseases were

changed to give the illusion of lower numbers diagnosed. Different diagnoses

were given depending on vaccination status. People still got it on occasion and

even with vaccination rates being as high as they are people still are. You

can't test vaccines like you can any other drug as it is unethical to expose a

baby to disease. There really is no way to know what caused the decline in

these viruses. What we do know are the risks in vaccinating. We also know

there never has been a study done to compare the health of vaccinated kids

against unvaccinated kids. Nothing to actually confirm that vaccinated kids are

healthier.

We have to remember these companies are for profit. They have a major

responsibility to make money for their stock holders. The studies that are

released are almost exclusively funded by these companies. Believing them at

face value is exactly like reading a report saying smoking isn't harmful and

then realizing that Marlboro paid for the study. Conflicts of interest abound.

Would you believe in a product I sold if you knew my best friend was making a

fortune off it and I worked for her and all the studies she paid for? Same

thing with pharma. The committee that approved the Rotoviruses vaccine was made

up almost completely of people that stood to gain financially from it's

approval. Tamiflu is another example. Rumsfield is pushing for the government

to buy up tons of it, and he is making millions in the process since he is

financially tied to the company. And the big autism/mercury study that came out

a few years ago now. It was funded by vaccine manufacturers

almost entirely. These are just a couple examples I have read about over the

years.

And safety data. There is no safety data on how much mercury, aluminum,

formaldehyde...you can inject into a baby. No studies at all. They say shots

are mercury free now but that isn't true. There are trace amounts that exceed

levels that would be allowable in our drinking water, way over the legal amount.

If it isn't at levels " safe " to drink then how would it be called safe to inject

into a baby?

All of those toxins are not able to escape a small baby either. Before about

age 6 months the liver is too immature to process it out. It stays in their

bodies.

More of my 2 cents! Yes it is my soapbox because I care about every little

baby out there. I believe God loaned us these babies to take care of to our

best ability. I fear for the health of these babies. I may seem harsh and cold

sometimes but what I really feel is a dedication to spreading the word about

another side to vaccination. I didn't have anyone to tell me these things when

my first son was born. I talk out of love and concern, promise!

jromkema <jromkema@...> wrote:

For all you " young 'uns " ! Just realize that those of us who came

before you got all of these diseases as children and lived to tell about it. IT

was EXPECTED that most kids would get the measles, chickenpox, and maybe the

mumps. NO BIG DEAL. Yes, a few cases were serious, but for the most part that

was just a rite of passage. It absolutely kills me the way big Pharma makes

these diseases sound like KILLERS just so they can sell vaccines. I have

lifetime immunity--that's better than what's in that vaccine vial anyday.

Barb

[ ] Re: vaccine time for 15 month old

We're in a similar position and here is my thinking at the moment.

Mumps, to me, isn't bad enough to warrant the risk of the vaccine.

Rubella only becomes an issue for girls around puberty so we will

probably do that then. That leaves measles, which I may give my

younger child before she starts school but I'm in no rush.

Unfortunately she got the chicken pox before I was fully aware of the

negatives, otherwise I would hold off till later elementary school

since it's better to get chicken pox naturally as a child but is very

serious as an adult.

I've found it's best not to ask for opinions but to state how it is--

she's NOT getting the shot now, for example. Or you can say you're

following DAN! guidelines.

>

> I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum and he has a NT 15 mos old brother

> whose doctor is pushy about MMR and varicella because I've passed

each

> well check for shot time. I am eventually going to give it too him

> but one at a time. Which shot should I give first? Does anyone know

> dosages for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 for a 15 mos old weighing 30

pds?

> I read somewhere you should give these 2 things before and after

> these vaccines. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

I totally agree with & Barb...in fact, by having the chicken pox

and some other of these 'diseases', it only built up our immunity and

makes us stronger. Most of these diseases aren't " deadly " , and the

vaccines only weaken the immune system, not that they even really work

in the first place, those college students who got the mumps had all

been immunized.

Good luck

Laurel

>

> I have a 3 yr old on the spectrum and he has a NT 15 mos old brother

> whose doctor is pushy about MMR and varicella because I've passed

each

> well check for shot time. I am eventually going to give it too him

> but one at a time. Which shot should I give first? Does anyone know

> dosages for Vit C and CLO or omega 3 for a 15 mos old weighing 30

pds?

> I read somewhere you should give these 2 things before and after

> these vaccines. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

I wish pharaceutical companies would have some

respect for the health of their consumers so that

vaccines were safe. I don't trust them to care a

snip. I also think vaccines are over hyped, too

many of them. I don't think the average person

needs a flu shot every year etc. However I'm the

person with the sister who was crippled by polio

and myself was hospitalized at age 5 with German

measles of which I barely survived, as it turned

into Encephalitis, which is a complication of

German Measles Although not mentally retarded,

it left me behind others my age due to brain

inflamation. My great grandparents had 14

children of which only 8 survived. That's how

life used to be. I will be 60 next year.

I have a lifetime of immunity from German Measles

and Encephalitis also, and my sister from polio,

but we got it from getting the disease. If I had

young children now, I'm not sure what I would do.

I have pets now and I just have them vaccinated

for rabbies, since it is state law and it is such

a horrible disease for animal to get. I don't

know if I will get any more vaccines. Not that

familiar with animal diseases as yet.

--- jromkema <jromkema@...> wrote:

> For all you " young 'uns " ! Just realize that

> those of us who came before you got all of

> these diseases as children and lived to tell

> about it. IT was EXPECTED that most kids would

> get the measles, chickenpox, and maybe the

> mumps. NO BIG DEAL. Yes, a few cases were

> serious, but for the most part that was just a

> rite of passage. It absolutely kills me the way

> big Pharma makes these diseases sound like

> KILLERS just so they can sell vaccines. I have

> lifetime immunity--that's better than what's in

> that vaccine vial anyday.

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

-----This is actually not true. Every state in the nation provides for

medical exemptions from vaccines and many provide for religious and/or

philosophical exemptions. All I had to do in Virginia was have an exemption

form notarized.

But it doesn't matter. I would homeschool if I couldn't get the exemption.

It is that important to the health of my family.

Take care

Josie

if you dont

vaccinate they will not be allowed to attend school with an incomplete shot

record.

Just my thoughts I am just a parent like you.. not a doctor:) Call your

peditrican for any concerns:) Blessings LISA

[Guest guest]

Not true in Florida either. All you have to here is go to the health department

and ask for one. They can't question you and it is accepted at any school that

takes any money from the state. You may have an issue with private schools but

I would also homeschool if it came to it.

Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote:

-----This is actually not true. Every state in the nation provides for

medical exemptions from vaccines and many provide for religious and/or

philosophical exemptions. All I had to do in Virginia was have an exemption

form notarized.

But it doesn't matter. I would homeschool if I couldn't get the exemption.

It is that important to the health of my family.

Take care

Josie

if you dont

vaccinate they will not be allowed to attend school with an incomplete shot

record.

Just my thoughts I am just a parent like you.. not a doctor:) Call your

peditrican for any concerns:) Blessings LISA

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to add, because of Hipaa laws they cant find out if you have done

any or all shots without your consent. You dont have to worry about school for

a while so it can be put off indefinitely. I have nbot vaccinated my thirteen

month old and do not intend to. If he goes to public school I will do a

religious exxemption and hold my ground. Some say religious is the way to go

because it can be tough to get a doc to give the medical exemption, but either

way, dont be bullied.

Elaine

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