OT- when to react to NT sibs quirks

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Hi everyone.

I have a 4.5 yr old ASD son and he has 2 younger sisters. Both of our girls are

NT. Our 3 year old daughter is not fully vaccinated, but is way-too-vaccinated,

(she had all shots, except for her 15 month shots and beyond...and we are pretty

sure our son's " autism " is vaccine injury as his labs show him to be totally

immunodeficient and insanly burdened virally). So the guilt does therein lie...

Our 3 yr old has aversions to clothing and for a few years now I blamed that on

sensory issues and vaccines (to protect myself from disappointment)...and now

that enough time has passed - I think I have pinned that to a behavioral

response. If I give her a choice of 3 outfits rather than the choice of wearing

clothes or not, she choses an appropriate outfit and stays dressed all day

now!!! Other than those outbursts to wearing clothes, we have always seen

academic gains, social gains really typical and pleasing (you know the stuff you

pull the video camera out for).

She has held onto an action when she gets excited that I feel is learned from

her older brother. She holds her hands near her armpits and wiggles her fingers

(it seems like a mild version of my son's hand flapping that he did a few years

ago). I try to block it when I can and encourage a more acceptable action for

excitement, but she usually tends to do the hand thing.

I have read some of you treating your kids who are NT with " quirks. "

I would appreciate any opinions. If you are using biomed approaches with NT kids

with one or two quirky behaviors...what do you think is a good starting point?

My gut says if she has issues it would be from vaccines and that possibly

starting with vits and mins, then moving to colostrum for the vaccinated viruses

and immune damage, then if necessary moving to transfer factor (working well for

my son)...then if issues continue move to antivirals...

Thanks in advance!

~

P.S. Baby girl is very perfect developmentally (NO VACCINES even though she was

6 weeks premature born last august)...no worries...and to you expecting moms...I

did not get the RSV vaccine and she still has not had even one cold even though

our kids have been sick several times! I wonder why the unvaccinated preemie is

the healthiest one of us all!?!

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This is just my opinion from the viewpoint of being mercury poisoned

myself and discovering that my NT daughter is most likely mercury

poisoned as well. By the time I was sure that chelation would help

her, and by the time I understood how to chelate safely, she was 18

years old and it is not easy to convince an 18 year old to chelate

never mind getting her to stop moving long enough to hear how to do it.

If there is mercury in the brain it won't just fall out. It has to be

chelated out. Removing the mercury with chelation with low doses of

ALA (using Andy's protocol, the ALA has to be dosed at 3 h intervals

to be safe!!) would carry less risk as compared to leaving the mercury

in the brain for the person's lifetime. If chelation starts with

doses at the low end of Andy's dosing schedule range and very

gradually the dose is increased with time, you will be able to tell if

metals are being moved out from the symptoms at the end of the round.

End of round fatigue means that metals are being removed, and the

metals that are removed won't be able to do any further damage (to

that child) once they are out.

Chelate kids using the most gentle, safe approach and the appropriate

diet and supplement support while they are still young.

J

>

> Hi everyone.

>

> I have a 4.5 yr old ASD son and he has 2 younger sisters. Both of

our girls are NT. Our 3 year old daughter is not fully vaccinated, but

is way-too-vaccinated, (she had all shots, except for her 15 month

shots and beyond...and we are pretty sure our son's " autism " is

vaccine injury as his labs show him to be totally immunodeficient and

insanly burdened virally). So the guilt does therein lie...

>

> Our 3 yr old has aversions to clothing and for a few years now I

blamed that on sensory issues and vaccines (to protect myself from

disappointment)...and now that enough time has passed - I think I have

pinned that to a behavioral response. If I give her a choice of 3

outfits rather than the choice of wearing clothes or not, she choses

an appropriate outfit and stays dressed all day now!!! Other than

those outbursts to wearing clothes, we have always seen academic

gains, social gains really typical and pleasing (you know the stuff

you pull the video camera out for).

>

> She has held onto an action when she gets excited that I feel is

learned from her older brother. She holds her hands near her armpits

and wiggles her fingers (it seems like a mild version of my son's hand

flapping that he did a few years ago). I try to block it when I can

and encourage a more acceptable action for excitement, but she usually

tends to do the hand thing.

>

> I have read some of you treating your kids who are NT with " quirks. "

>

> I would appreciate any opinions. If you are using biomed approaches

with NT kids with one or two quirky behaviors...what do you think is a

good starting point? My gut says if she has issues it would be from

vaccines and that possibly starting with vits and mins, then moving to

colostrum for the vaccinated viruses and immune damage, then if

necessary moving to transfer factor (working well for my son)...then

if issues continue move to antivirals...

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> ~

>

> P.S. Baby girl is very perfect developmentally (NO VACCINES even

though she was 6 weeks premature born last august)...no worries...and

to you expecting moms...I did not get the RSV vaccine and she still

has not had even one cold even though our kids have been sick several

times! I wonder why the unvaccinated preemie is the healthiest one of

us all!?!

>

>

>

>

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> I would appreciate any opinions. If you are using biomed approaches

with NT kids with one or two quirky behaviors...what do you think is a

good starting point?

With one, I started with enzymes. With the other, I started with a

few supplements and chelation.

Dana

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> I would appreciate any opinions. If you are using biomed approaches

with NT kids with one or two quirky behaviors...what do you think is a

good starting point? My gut says if she has issues it would be from

vaccines and that possibly starting with vits and mins, then moving to

colostrum for the vaccinated viruses and immune damage, then if

necessary moving to transfer factor (working well for my son)...then

if issues continue move to antivirals...

Hey ,

I guess I'd start with a hair test to get a clearer picture of what

you're dealing with. My girl is actually quirk-free, but her hair test

was *ugly. So I'm chelating her off and on to prevent future illness

as much as anything. Her only symptom was recurrent yeast infections,

and that's gotten much better with chelation. I have her on the basic

list of supps + CLO and that probably helps too.

I put her on Houston enzymes but no change so I took her off. Haven't

thought about antivirals...hmmm.

Nell

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Hi ,

I'm a chelating adult, and I'm also chelating my 2 NT kids, ages 8 & 10. My

youngest kid

was a moody, explosive toddler and that is what started us on this journey.

The long and short of it is that she wasn't exactly outgrowing her tantrum-y

behavior, and

I was getting increasingly concerned. We stumbled across HNI enzymes thanks to

an

online friend in 2004. Big, big improvement! I still didn't " get " what mercury

or autism

had to do with us, y'know? I FINALLY got around to doing a hair test on my

youngest, in

addition to my oldest, and myself (only because my youngest protested that she

was the

only one).

Well, we all met the counting rules! I read Andy's books, and began to skim

this list. It

allllll began to make sense. I had had a lot of amalgams. 3 RhoGam shots.

Booster shots

as an adult. The kids had been vax'd. Come on! Why wouldn't we be affected in

some

negative way even if we didn't have autism, or Asperger's or a serious illness

(yet!).

Andy says chelation is often a family project. It is here. The girls and I are

going first,

then we'll check out dh.

IMO, if there has been a history of exposure, it's definitely worth considering

a hair test,

doing a check list of symptoms, and chelating to avoid not only current health

problems,

but problems in the future. Chelation is simple and straightforward when your

health is

relatively good, and you're not trying to manage a lot of severe poisoning

symptoms at the

same time.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

We are chelating an NT kids also. She has alwayse been " mostly

Normal " . It seems logical that any vaxed kid might have viral

issues. And that even though you only vaxed her partly, those

vaccines still contained metals...aluminum and some Hg.

Any odd behavior is worth checking into. Maybe hair testing her to

be sure she is not Hg or metal toxic. They can get metal load from

your in utero. Also, my research shows that any of us vaxed is

immuno compromised and could benefit from antivirals and such. So it

makes sense to treat you NT kid with vites/minerals etc. It

certainly can't hurt. You can also test her hair if you wish to see

if metals are an issue. The mention of adversion to clothes....this

is my son entirely! He turned up to be lead/aluminum toxic, along

with a few other metals. This is improving with treatment.

I think the plan you listed below is worthwhile!

Unvaxed kids do have a fully intact immune system and are healthier.

This is why your youngest tends to not get sick.

>

> Hi everyone.

>

> I have a 4.5 yr old ASD son and he has 2 younger sisters. Both of

our girls are NT. Our 3 year old daughter is not fully vaccinated,

but is way-too-vaccinated, (she had all shots, except for her 15

month shots and beyond...and we are pretty sure our son's " autism "

is vaccine injury as his labs show him to be totally immunodeficient

and insanly burdened virally). So the guilt does therein lie...

>

> Our 3 yr old has aversions to clothing and for a few years now I

blamed that on sensory issues and vaccines (to protect myself from

disappointment)...and now that enough time has passed - I think I

have pinned that to a behavioral response. If I give her a choice of

3 outfits rather than the choice of wearing clothes or not, she

choses an appropriate outfit and stays dressed all day now!!! Other

than those outbursts to wearing clothes, we have always seen

academic gains, social gains really typical and pleasing (you know

the stuff you pull the video camera out for).

>

> She has held onto an action when she gets excited that I feel is

learned from her older brother. She holds her hands near her armpits

and wiggles her fingers (it seems like a mild version of my son's

hand flapping that he did a few years ago). I try to block it when I

can and encourage a more acceptable action for excitement, but she

usually tends to do the hand thing.

>

> I have read some of you treating your kids who are NT

with " quirks. "

>

> I would appreciate any opinions. If you are using biomed

approaches with NT kids with one or two quirky behaviors...what do

you think is a good starting point? My gut says if she has issues it

would be from vaccines and that possibly starting with vits and

mins, then moving to colostrum for the vaccinated viruses and immune

damage, then if necessary moving to transfer factor (working well

for my son)...then if issues continue move to antivirals...

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> ~

>

> P.S. Baby girl is very perfect developmentally (NO VACCINES even

though she was 6 weeks premature born last august)...no

worries...and to you expecting moms...I did not get the RSV vaccine

and she still has not had even one cold even though our kids have

been sick several times! I wonder why the unvaccinated preemie is

the healthiest one of us all!?!

>

>

>

>

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Consider a hair elements test from DDI with counting rules applied. Identify

and reduce/remove sources of exposure. Consider GFCF, probiotics, zinc...

S S ( " NT " adult chelating myself)

From: Dunsmore [mailto: carriedunsmore@...]

autism treatment

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:36:03 -0800 (PST)

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<p>Hi everyone. <br>

<br>

I have a 4.5 yr old ASD son and he has 2 younger sisters. Both of our girls are

NT. Our 3 year old daughter is not fully vaccinated, but is way-too-vaccinated,

(she had all shots, except for her 15 month shots and beyond...and we are pretty

sure our son's " autism " is vaccine injury as his labs show him to be totally

immunodeficient and insanly burdened virally). So the guilt does therein

lie...<br>

<br>

Our 3 yr old has aversions to clothing and for a few years now I blamed that on

sensory issues and vaccines (to protect myself from disappointment)<wbr>...and

now that enough time has passed - I think I have pinned that to a behavioral

response. If I give her a choice of 3 outfits rather than the choice of wearing

clothes or not, she choses an appropriate outfit and stays dressed all day

now!!! Other than those outbursts to wearing clothes, we have always seen

academic gains, social gains really typical and pleasing (you know the stuff you

pull the video camera out for). <br>

<br>

She has held onto an action when she gets excited that I feel is learned from

her older brother. She holds her hands near her armpits and wiggles her fingers

(it seems like a mild version of my son's hand flapping that he did a few years

ago). I try to block it when I can and encourage a more acceptable action for

excitement, but she usually tends to do the hand thing. <br>

<br>

I have read some of you treating your kids who are NT with " quirks. " <br>

<br>

I would appreciate any opinions. If you are using biomed approaches with NT kids

with one or two quirky behaviors...<wbr>what do you think is a good starting

point? My gut says if she has issues it would be from vaccines and that possibly

starting with vits and mins, then moving to colostrum for the vaccinated viruses

and immune damage, then if necessary moving to transfer factor (working well for

my son)...then if issues continue move to antivirals..<wbr>.<br>

<br>

Thanks in advance!<br>

<br>

~<br>

<br>

P.S. Baby girl is very perfect developmentally (NO VACCINES even though she was

6 weeks premature born last august)...no worries...and to you expecting moms...I

did not get the RSV vaccine and she still has not had even one cold even though

our kids have been sick several times! I wonder why the unvaccinated preemie is

the healthiest one of us all!?!<br>

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<<My youngest kid

was a moody, explosive toddler and that is what started us on this journey.

The long and short of it is that she wasn't exactly outgrowing her tantrum-y

behavior, and

I was getting increasingly concerned>>

and others,

Have you seen behavioral improvements with the chelation? Has she overcome the

concerning behaviors? If so, after how many rounds did you see improvement?

thank you,

millie

[Guest guest]

>

> and others,

>

> Have you seen behavioral improvements with the chelation? Has she overcome the

concerning behaviors? If so, after how many rounds did you see improvement?

>

> thank you,

> millie

We started with a trial of ten rounds. We saw glimpses of good stuff right away

(within

one or two rounds), and at the end of ten rounds I asked skeptical dh what he

thought and

he said " keep chelating " .

43 rounds later, and she is remarkably better. I wouldn't have described her as

exactly

unhappy before, but wow---she is so much happier now! And confident. And easy

to be

around. And more flexible. Of course, without her being so damn difficult all

of the time,

we're ALL happier. I'm glad she's been able to shake her role as the trouble

maker in the

family. I'm sure to outsiders it looks like she has really matured over the

last year. We

know better.

I will say that the improvements we've seen have not been linear. Meaning, it's

not like

week after week she just gets better and better. Overall, there is improvement,

but

sometimes it feels like a couple steps back, couple steps forward, stall, etc.

It's important to understand the natural progression of detox. See pg. 52 of

Amalgam

Illness. There is improvement, a stall or worsening, then slow improvement

again.

I'm also feeling significantly better in mood & energy level than a year ago.

I also knew by

the end of ten rounds that I wanted to continue chelating.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your detailed reply. You give me much hope.

I think that your experience is also relevant to people like myself

who are trying to recover kids who are extremely high functioning,

but still so very affected and unable to function.

Although I did not vaccinate , and you absolutely can't tell

that anything is wrong with him by looking, he is very sick in so

many ways, metabolically, behaviorally, etc. I also fully believe

that had I vaccinated, he might have been low functioning/non-

verbal...

I would like to type up our hair test results and see if those of you

who are good at reading them, can tell me what you think.

Thanks again,

Millie

>

> >

> > and others,

> >

> > Have you seen behavioral improvements with the chelation? Has she

overcome the

> concerning behaviors? If so, after how many rounds did you see

improvement?

> >

> > thank you,

> > millie

>

>

>

> We started with a trial of ten rounds. We saw glimpses of good

stuff right away (within

> one or two rounds), and at the end of ten rounds I asked skeptical

dh what he thought and

> he said " keep chelating " .

>

> 43 rounds later, and she is remarkably better. I wouldn't have

described her as exactly

> unhappy before, but wow---she is so much happier now! And

confident. And easy to be

> around. And more flexible. Of course, without her being so damn

difficult all of the time,

> we're ALL happier. I'm glad she's been able to shake her role as

the trouble maker in the

> family. I'm sure to outsiders it looks like she has really

matured over the last year. We

> know better.

>

> I will say that the improvements we've seen have not been linear.

Meaning, it's not like

> week after week she just gets better and better. Overall, there is

improvement, but

> sometimes it feels like a couple steps back, couple steps forward,

stall, etc.

>

> It's important to understand the natural progression of detox. See

pg. 52 of Amalgam

> Illness. There is improvement, a stall or worsening, then slow

improvement again.

>

> I'm also feeling significantly better in mood & energy level than a

year ago. I also knew by

> the end of ten rounds that I wanted to continue chelating.

>

> in Illinois

>