Re: OT - ABA really needed?MIRANDA

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First I told the speech therapist up front I wanted to be included on sessions

so I could continue the work at home. When I learned what she was doing I copied

it. Then I started an ABA program using Work In Progress by Ron Leaf and the

Cathrine Maurice ABA book. Both of which I recently threw away because we are

past that stage and the books were worn or I would have tried to pass them on to

someone. They both were $40- $50 a piece. Well worth every penny.

My mother ordered the $700 Lovaas tapes. They were from the 70's and showed a

person doing ABA and spraying water in child's face. I hope he has went down on

the price of those tapes. I would not recommend giving that much for the tapes.

is 9 years old now. At 4 years old we had no eye contact. One of the

books talks about working on eye contact. We held his face to ours for a couple

seconds a few times during the day. Then we held it longer. After weeks he would

look at our eyes then he would hold the glance for a second and we worked up to

not having a problem with eye contact. The basics of ABA is break down

everything and move slowly. I think the word was " red " . I must have said the

word red one million times. Started with the r sound, then when we got that went

to the ed sound. Then teaching him what the word red meant.

Teach Me Language was purchased years ago and I used some of the exercises but

we are currently working on comprehension and the book is helpful today. The

best thing to do is go to and Noble (any chain) and look the books over.

I had to special request the books when we bought them. But I go by the special

needs section and they are all there. There used to be one Autism book (Let Me

Hear Your Voice) now there are 20.

Our current issue is still has an IEP and modifications because he is

two years behind on his reading level. Reading Comprehension is a big issue with

us. If I lose the PDD label I don't get the personal para-pro. We need her to

help with directions and keeps him on task. He made honor roll this year.

Victor & <curlytatertot@...> wrote:

Hi Miranda,

What is the name of the ABA book you bought and did yourself? We

are not in a financial position to do a home program at the moment

but know we need to do something to supplement what he is getting in

school. I have been wondering if there is an ABA for dummies book.

Is the Teach Me Language book the ABA book? Does it address other

things than language? Also, what age/level is this book for?

Thanks for any info.

>

> We bought a ABA book at and Noble and did it ourselves. We

have spent a fortune in the end to realize Sylvan Learning Center

(most money wasted) and other service providers could not help our

son as much as we could. The book Teach Me Language has been one of

the best.

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[Guest guest]

First I told the speech therapist up front I wanted to be included on sessions

so I could continue the work at home. When I learned what she was doing I copied

it. Then I started an ABA program using Work In Progress by Ron Leaf and the

Cathrine Maurice ABA book. Both of which I recently threw away because we are

past that stage and the books were worn or I would have tried to pass them on to

someone. They both were $40- $50 a piece. Well worth every penny.

My mother ordered the $700 Lovaas tapes. They were from the 70's and showed a

person doing ABA and spraying water in child's face. I hope he has went down on

the price of those tapes. I would not recommend giving that much for the tapes.

is 9 years old now. At 4 years old we had no eye contact. One of the

books talks about working on eye contact. We held his face to ours for a couple

seconds a few times during the day. Then we held it longer. After weeks he would

look at our eyes then he would hold the glance for a second and we worked up to

not having a problem with eye contact. The basics of ABA is break down

everything and move slowly. I think the word was " red " . I must have said the

word red one million times. Started with the r sound, then when we got that went

to the ed sound. Then teaching him what the word red meant.

Teach Me Language was purchased years ago and I used some of the exercises but

we are currently working on comprehension and the book is helpful today. The

best thing to do is go to and Noble (any chain) and look the books over.

I had to special request the books when we bought them. But I go by the special

needs section and they are all there. There used to be one Autism book (Let Me

Hear Your Voice) now there are 20.

Our current issue is still has an IEP and modifications because he is

two years behind on his reading level. Reading Comprehension is a big issue with

us. If I lose the PDD label I don't get the personal para-pro. We need her to

help with directions and keeps him on task. He made honor roll this year.

Victor & <curlytatertot@...> wrote:

Hi Miranda,

What is the name of the ABA book you bought and did yourself? We

are not in a financial position to do a home program at the moment

but know we need to do something to supplement what he is getting in

school. I have been wondering if there is an ABA for dummies book.

Is the Teach Me Language book the ABA book? Does it address other

things than language? Also, what age/level is this book for?

Thanks for any info.

>

> We bought a ABA book at and Noble and did it ourselves. We

have spent a fortune in the end to realize Sylvan Learning Center

(most money wasted) and other service providers could not help our

son as much as we could. The book Teach Me Language has been one of

the best.

>

>

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Thanks for the feedback. Isaac has zero eye contact and they don't

seem to want to address that in school. I was just watching an RDI

DVD and thinking that we couldn't even do this because his attention

is so poor and he won't look anywhere near us. Thanks for the

tips. I will check these out as soon as I can get to a store!

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> > We bought a ABA book at and Noble and did it ourselves.

We

> have spent a fortune in the end to realize Sylvan Learning Center

> (most money wasted) and other service providers could not help our

> son as much as we could. The book Teach Me Language has been one

of

> the best.

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Eye contact took months. Teachers really don't have the one on one time even in

a small classroom to teach a skill like eye contact. I had a treat or a prize

when we would work on it. Toilet training was also a big issue. I had a prize

wrapped up like a gift that he wanted. When we finally had a BM in the toilet he

got the prize. We practically had a party over a BM. It is crazy to think about

all that now. He is an only child by choice to focus all our energy on him and

his recover. We have made this our life.

The new teachers don't know where we started from and meeting him today they

can't grasp it. They focus on the reading level issue and we are still in the

mentality of amazement at how far he has come. But we are still working hard. I

am hopeful this will be the year.

Victor & <curlytatertot@...> wrote:

Thanks for the feedback. Isaac has zero eye contact and they don't

seem to want to address that in school. I was just watching an RDI

DVD and thinking that we couldn't even do this because his attention

is so poor and he won't look anywhere near us. Thanks for the

tips. I will check these out as soon as I can get to a store!

> >

> > We bought a ABA book at and Noble and did it ourselves.

We

> have spent a fortune in the end to realize Sylvan Learning Center

> (most money wasted) and other service providers could not help our

> son as much as we could. The book Teach Me Language has been one

of

> the best.

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> Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically

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Show him to a DAN Doctor.

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> Thanks for the feedback. Isaac has zero eye contact

> and they don't

> seem to want to address that in school. I was just

> watching an RDI

> DVD and thinking that we couldn't even do this

> because his attention

> is so poor and he won't look anywhere near us.

> Thanks for the

> tips. I will check these out as soon as I can get

> to a store!

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> > > We bought a ABA book at and Noble and did

> it ourselves.

> We

> > have spent a fortune in the end to realize Sylvan

> Learning Center

> > (most money wasted) and other service providers

> could not help our

> > son as much as we could. The book Teach Me

> Language has been one

> of

> > the best.

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He has two DANs but they haven't been able to help us with this

issue. He is a tough one!

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> > > > We bought a ABA book at and Noble and did

> > it ourselves.

> > We

> > > have spent a fortune in the end to realize Sylvan

> > Learning Center

> > > (most money wasted) and other service providers

> > could not help our

> > > son as much as we could. The book Teach Me

> > Language has been one

> > of

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I realize that it is something I am going to have to work on, but I

just didn't know how to get started. I am hoping these books will

point me in the righ direction. We started toilet training

recently. He will go whenever we put him on, but doesn't initiate.

Hopefully soon! Thanks again.

> > >

> > > We bought a ABA book at and Noble and did it ourselves.

> We

> > have spent a fortune in the end to realize Sylvan Learning

Center

> > (most money wasted) and other service providers could not help

our

> > son as much as we could. The book Teach Me Language has been one

> of

> > the best.

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> > Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically

> different. Just radically better.

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I feel extremely compelled to add my two cents worth in on this thread. It

s almost overwhelming and I can't help myself. I have been mostly lurking

for the last few years as my child's education(or lack there of) in the

public school system has really taken up every fiber of my being. Mostly to

keep my sanity and their breath in their bodies - yes it's that bad. We

began a very intense ABA (30 hrs weekly) program when T was 2, combined with

ST, OT twice weekly. T made decent progress with behaviors and some

receptive skills, some gross and fine motor were coming along as well. One

thing that I instilled in my therapists was that more than anything, she is

still a 2 year old little girl and she needs to be nurtured and loved. All

her therapists had different ways of motivating her and getting her into

learning and she excelled in ways I never thought possible. She loved to

work for them or their reinforcers (one let her jump on the bed and threw

her into pillows, one was very good and drawing and worked this into every

program to make it fun, and so on and so forth). Language never came. After

6 months and tons of research I began to dabble in AC's protocol. At the

time I could not get my hands on DMSA so I decided that I would just give

some ALA a go. I screwed up the round and slept after the midnight dose

missing way to many and had to start over. The next day I noticed that she

had more words than she did prior to the " round " , the next day there were

more!!!! OMG, I had found the key!!!! She was nonverbal prior to ABA, and

only 5 words prior to the " round " . By that Monday she had 25 words!!!! I

made a Dr appointment and got an rx for DMSA. I went to town with chelating,

of course 3 months prior to this I had drawn out all supplements and had a

regimen underway. Nothing but progress with all these wonderful therapists

and interventions working TOGETHER!!!!!

As we moved forward with chelation, she began to change her needs when it

came to ABA therapy. She was getting bored and behaviors and attitude showed

this. We changed her programming style to meet her needs. We mixed trials,

moved to a more naturalistic approach (NET), VBA, lessoned the trials from

Lovass 10 trials to 3-5 mixed, erorless teaching vs. NNP, facilitated play

groups, etc. As long as the delivery methods are growing with the child, ABA

does teach most children what they didn't get while they were " asleep " , so

to speak. We have done dietary, biomedical, and ABA all coinciding with one

another and used this a a whole treatment package. I've seen some kids do

very well with only one approach regardless of what the parents chose, it's

just my finding with the tons of parents that I've talked with and know more

personally that it takes much more than just one. Kids are sponges from the

moment they enter the world and if they cannot get it naturally it needs to

be taught. NT kids don't know what appropriate social behavior is unless it

s taught, look at some of your neighbors kids or the ones you may see in

Wal-Mart.

ABA is not a bad animal, it's the delivery methods and the providers

attitudes that cause it to have such a bad name. I know this well, as my

child has been harmed by persons unqualified and uneducated in how to

appropriately teach a child with Autism utilizing ABA. These providers

usually feel that these children are of little or have no value, and some

even feel they are animals. Bad ABA is worse than no ABA is something that I

tell parents quite often when they ask what interventions dd has had. It is

just my personal opinion that all of these interventions should go hand in

hand, so that the gaps will fill quicker, once they start to " wake up " all

the sponging is still there, they just may need some help in knowing what to

do with it. I guess I'm a fan of global warfare when it comes to Autism, or

any other disability, Leave no stone unturned and research until you can't

research anymore. It's been 4 years for us and I'm still learning things,

Just my 2 cents or 6 cent by the length of this post ; )

Karyn

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