Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Lori, My son is about the same weight as yours 28lbs . I give him 150mcg a day - no issues so far. He is low on selenium though. This is what my DAN doctor recommended based on his weight and his mineral level test. He said i can go upto 125mcg but even after couple of months on that his levels were still low.. so we have ramped up some more. Pls keep in mind that selenium is part of all the minerals you give like Brainchild Minerals, Pic-Mins etc..You need to make sure you add up all that + your selenium caps to see how much he gets. He might still be getting used to it and so might be tired. . Are you doing split dosage. I have seen that for my son split dosage and giving limited amounts at a time helps. Thanks, Kavitha > > I just started my 3 year old on Selenium 2 days ago. It seems to be > making him a little tired. Can anyone tell me what the right dose > would be for a 30lb child? > I've been giving him 50mcg once a day. Maybe this is too high? > Vocal Stimming is 50% less.. So I want to be sure he's > getting the right amount. > > Thanks > Lori B > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 We give 2 brazil nuts per day for selenium to our 50 lbs. child. It works! --- kav_rag <kavirag@...> wrote: > Lori, > > My son is about the same weight as yours 28lbs . I > give him 150mcg a > day - no issues so far. He is low on selenium > though. This is what my > DAN doctor recommended based on his weight and his > mineral level test. > He said i can go upto 125mcg but even after couple > of months on that > his levels were still low.. so we have ramped up > some more. > > Pls keep in mind that selenium is part of all the > minerals you give > like Brainchild Minerals, Pic-Mins etc..You need to > make sure you add > up all that + your selenium caps to see how much he > gets. > > He might still be getting used to it and so might be > tired. . Are you > doing split dosage. I have seen that for my son > split dosage and > giving limited amounts at a time helps. > > Thanks, > Kavitha > > > > > > > > > I just started my 3 year old on Selenium 2 days > ago. It seems to be > > making him a little tired. Can anyone tell me > what the right dose > > would be for a 30lb child? > > I've been giving him 50mcg once a day. Maybe this > is too high? > > Vocal Stimming is 50% less.. So I want to be sure > he's > > getting the right amount. > > > > Thanks > > Lori B > > > > > > > Eudaimonia! L. Cowen III Director of FORum Fellowship of Reason, Inc. A Georgia Not-For-Profit Corporation " The world's first and, at present, only reason-based moral community " PO Box 5564 Atlanta, GA 31107 678-610-9367 Fax 678-386-2183 Cell 770-471-9800 Home __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Kavitha; Thanks for the info. I will try your suggestions. I have been giving it all at once in the morning. I will try splitting it up tomorrow and see if that makes a difference. Thanks again! Lori > > > > I just started my 3 year old on Selenium 2 days ago. It seems to be > > making him a little tired. Can anyone tell me what the right dose > > would be for a 30lb child? > > I've been giving him 50mcg once a day. Maybe this is too high? > > Vocal Stimming is 50% less.. So I want to be sure he's > > getting the right amount. > > > > Thanks > > Lori B > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 ; My son will not eat any kind of nuts or seeds. Can Brazil nuts be grinded and mixed with food? Lori > > > > > > I just started my 3 year old on Selenium 2 days > > ago. It seems to be > > > making him a little tired. Can anyone tell me > > what the right dose > > > would be for a 30lb child? > > > I've been giving him 50mcg once a day. Maybe this > > is too high? > > > Vocal Stimming is 50% less.. So I want to be sure > > he's > > > getting the right amount. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Lori B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eudaimonia! > > L. Cowen III > Director of FORum > Fellowship of Reason, Inc. > A Georgia Not-For-Profit Corporation > " The world's first and, at present, > only reason-based moral community " > PO Box 5564 > Atlanta, GA 31107 > 678-610-9367 Fax > 678-386-2183 Cell > 770-471-9800 Home > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hello Lori, Brazilian nuts can be ground and mixed with food. I make vegetable muffins and add ground nuts to the mixture (pumpkin seeds, brazilian nuts, hazelnuts, etc.). Pumpkin seeds are rich in zinc. However, it's preferable to eat nuts raw (you can finely grind them and add them to already cooked foods). Best of wishes Samar > > > > > > > > I just started my 3 year old on Selenium 2 days > > > ago. It seems to be > > > > making him a little tired. Can anyone tell me > > > what the right dose > > > > would be for a 30lb child? > > > > I've been giving him 50mcg once a day. Maybe this > > > is too high? > > > > Vocal Stimming is 50% less.. So I want to be sure > > > he's > > > > getting the right amount. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Lori B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eudaimonia! > > > > L. Cowen III > > Director of FORum > > Fellowship of Reason, Inc. > > A Georgia Not-For-Profit Corporation > > " The world's first and, at present, > > only reason-based moral community " > > PO Box 5564 > > Atlanta, GA 31107 > > 678-610-9367 Fax > > 678-386-2183 Cell > > 770-471-9800 Home > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 I have a recipe for Brazil nut " cheeze " adapted from " Raw: the Uncook Book " by no. It's gfcfsfcf/vegan. S S Hello Lori,<BR> <BR> Brazilian nuts can be ground and mixed with food. I make vegetable <BR> muffins and add ground nuts to the mixture (pumpkin seeds, brazilian <BR> nuts, hazelnuts, etc.). Pumpkin seeds are rich in zinc. However, <BR> it's preferable to eat nuts raw (you can finely grind them and add <BR> them to already cooked foods).<BR> <BR> Best of wishes<BR> <BR> Samar<BR> _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Can Selenium Protect You from Cancer? [input] POSTED BY Dr. Mercola September 27 2007 Administration « Previous Article Next Article» Dr. W. , a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington in Seattle, shares impressive research findings on the cancer-fighting properties of selenium. As scientists have now determined, cells of all organisms, whether bacterial, animal, or non-animal, need selenium for proper functioning. Selenium deficiency has been linked to a wide variety of disorders and diseases, including: Hypothyroidism Cognitive decline Cancer (including lung, prostate, colorectal, skin) Heart failure Coronary artery disease (atherosclerosis) The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), as set by the U.S. Food and Nutrition Board, is 55 mcg of selenium per day, based on two studies that show this amount of selenium supports the optimal generation of glutathione peroxidase. This is believed to be adequate for 98 percent of the population. However, this government recommendation did not take into account a previous finding that shows a dose four times higher (200 mcg) to have an anti-cancer effect, without being toxic. Some of the scientific explanations for selenium’s anti-cancer effect include: Increased antioxidant protection and immune system Regulation of cell proliferation and apoptosis (programmed cell death) Suppression of growth of blood vessels supplying nutrients to the cancer Inhibition of tumor cell invasion The first indications of selenium toxicity are " garlic breath " and dry skin. As the toxicity increases, your fingernails develop white patches, become brittle, and fall off. Hair and nail loss occurs once selenium intake reaches 4,990 mcg per day, according to one study. LewRockwell.com August 27, 2007 Indeed, making sure you get enough selenium appears to be a good idea for many. Especially if you live in an area with selenium-poor soils, as these areas tend to show higher cancer rates among their population than those living in selenium-rich soil areas. I recently met Dr. LaValley in Austin, Texas and was very impressed with his comprehensive perspective with therapeutic nutrition to treat disease states with natural therapies. He has spent many years carefully reviewing the literature and understanding these complex molecular biological pathways, to come up with something that makes sense clinically. I asked him for his perspective and thought you might find it useful: For prevention of cancer and other diseases associated with high oxidative causes, a little is good, up to 200 mcg per day, especially in the selenomethionine form. Higher doses are possibly problematic. In cancer treatment, however, there is a good evidence base to support the use of significantly higher doses in the correct dosage form -- especially the selenium selenite in liquid drops -- as part of a well-designed integrative and complementary medicine cancer treatment protocol. This information may be misleading, however. The lower doses are recommended for prevention of the disease, while higher doses are used for treatment only after the cancer is diagnosed. The higher doses are for regulation of cell proliferation, via inducing apoptosis (programmed cell death). Some natural health writers lead people to believe that 200 mcg of selenium will have cancer-fighting benefits through this pro-apoptotic mechanism. I don't see the evidence supporting this. The 200 mcg lower dose of selenium is targeting the cellular antioxidant machinery that reduces the ROS burden -- therefore it is more likely to be anti-cancer, and since it also supports better cellular function -- it is more likely to support your immune system. There are specific immune benefits in other molecular pathways as well. .. The higher doses provoke reactive oxygen species (ROS) production and are cytotoxic in acute dosing. Chronic, slow increases in doses of selenium probably allows your cells to adapt to the selenium without toxicity, except cells are then less able to respond to provide antioxidant benefits via GSSH. (Cancer Res. 2001 Oct 1;61(19):7071.) Bottom Line on Selenium A little of high quality selenium is necessary for good health. Acute higher doses are acutely cytotoxic and can be harmful or beneficial, depending on the intended use. The evidence base supports the use of high doses under appropriate medical supervision for anti-cancer, proapoptotic stimulation and activation of molecular metabolic pathways that inhibit/block neoplastic proliferation. For health maintenance, you should use selenium in a good bioavailable form, in a low dose (such as 200mcg). This probably provides good anti-cancer benefits due to enhancing cellular pathways GSSH-GSH metabolism. You should avoid higher doses unless under supervision by a competent healthcare professional who understands the pathway stimulations being induced, and the should be reserved for targeting cancer that is already diagnosed. Do not use higher dose selenium for long term as an anti-cancer preventative. High dose selenium is an inducer of ROS (superoxide anion) and can cause problems. The issue with antioxidant use and cancer prevention is tricky. If someone has pre-cancerous stage cells or nascent cancer as yet undiscovered, then anti-oxidant use may well confer survival advantage to the cancer cells and make the situation worse. These people need targeted pro-apoptotic, anti-cancer treatment. The problem is, many of them don't (yet) know it. The lung cancer studies that show that beta-carotene and Vitamin A use by smokers is associated with a bit greater cancer incidence is most likely due to this " undescribed " effect. My thought prior to the release of these studies was that the use of certain antioxidants in smokers, if the sample size of the study were large enough, it would show that lung cancer incidence increased due to this (not yet widely understood antioxidant-conferring-survival-to-cancer-cells effect). When the results came out, my thought was, 'of course, it's to be expected.' The medical community was surprised and the natural health community went apoplectic. I think very few understand the molecular biology and so the issue of personal bias plays into the response to the data. I predict the same type of results for other cancers if the cohort size is adequate. " I appreciate Dr. LaValley’s willingness to share his expert thoughts on selenium. Interestingly, " Chest " just published evidence-based clinical guidelines this month, including some for CAM therapies, and against some dietary supplements. Please see Chest Sep 2007: 1S–19. If you would like more details on this fascinating subject I would encourage you to read this free full text journal article. Related Articles: Selenium for Breast Cancer Prevention Supplementing With Selenium May Help Thyroiditis http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/27/can-selenium-prote\ ct-you-from-cancer.aspx Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Interestingly I was once told that the USA's RDA programme is nothing more than the amount of nutrition to be used for everyone in the case that food rationing becomes necessary. This kinda shone a new light on it for me, but then I had already moved to the camp where I've accepted that I simply need more supplementation than most people ;-) Cheers, Alison .... who yesterday bought more selenium at Trader Joe's :-) > > > Can Selenium Protect You from Cancer? [input] POSTED BY Dr. Mercola > September 27 2007 > Administration > « Previous Article Next Article» > Dr. W. , a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington in Seattle, shares impressive research findings on the cancer-fighting properties of selenium. > As scientists have now determined, cells of all organisms, whether bacterial, animal, or non-animal, need selenium for proper functioning. > Selenium deficiency has been linked to a wide variety of disorders and diseases, including: > > Hypothyroidism > > Cognitive decline > > Cancer (including lung, prostate, colorectal, skin) > > Heart failure > > Coronary artery disease (atherosclerosis) > > The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA), as set by the U.S. Food and Nutrition Board, is 55 mcg of selenium per day, based on two studies that show this amount of selenium supports the optimal generation of glutathione peroxidase. This is believed to be adequate for 98 percent of the population. > However, this government recommendation did not take into account a previous finding that shows a dose four times higher (200 mcg) to have an anti-cancer effect, without being toxic. > Some of the scientific explanations for selenium's anti-cancer effect include: > > Increased antioxidant protection and immune system > > Regulation of cell proliferation and apoptosis (programmed cell death) > > Suppression of growth of blood vessels supplying nutrients to the cancer > > Inhibition of tumor cell invasion > > The first indications of selenium toxicity are " garlic breath " and dry skin. As the toxicity increases, your fingernails develop white patches, become brittle, and fall off. Hair and nail loss occurs once selenium intake reaches 4,990 mcg per day, according to one study. > LewRockwell.com August 27, 2007 > > > > > > > > > Indeed, making sure you get enough selenium appears to be a good idea for many. Especially if you live in an area with selenium-poor soils, as these areas tend to show higher cancer rates among their population than those living in selenium-rich soil areas. > I recently met Dr. LaValley in Austin, Texas and was very impressed with his comprehensive perspective with therapeutic nutrition to treat disease states with natural therapies. He has spent many years carefully reviewing the literature and understanding these complex molecular biological pathways, to come up with something that makes sense clinically. > I asked him for his perspective and thought you might find it useful: > For prevention of cancer and other diseases associated with high oxidative causes, a little is good, up to 200 mcg per day, especially in the selenomethionine form. Higher doses are possibly problematic. > In cancer treatment, however, there is a good evidence base to support the use of significantly higher doses in the correct dosage form -- especially the selenium selenite in liquid drops -- as part of a well-designed integrative and complementary medicine cancer treatment protocol. > > This information may be misleading, however. > > The lower doses are recommended for prevention of the disease, while higher doses are used for treatment only after the cancer is diagnosed. The higher doses are for regulation of cell proliferation, via inducing apoptosis (programmed cell death). > Some natural health writers lead people to believe that 200 mcg of selenium will have cancer-fighting benefits through this pro-apoptotic mechanism. I don't see the evidence supporting this. The 200 mcg lower dose of selenium is targeting the cellular antioxidant machinery that reduces the ROS burden -- therefore it is more likely to be anti-cancer, and since it also supports better cellular function -- it is more likely to support your immune system. There are specific immune benefits in other molecular pathways as well. > . > > The higher doses provoke reactive oxygen species (ROS) production and are cytotoxic in acute dosing. Chronic, slow increases in doses of selenium probably allows your cells to adapt to the selenium without toxicity, except cells are then less able to respond to provide antioxidant benefits via GSSH. (Cancer Res. 2001 Oct 1;61(19):7071.) > Bottom Line on Selenium > > A little of high quality selenium is necessary for good health. Acute higher doses are acutely cytotoxic and can be harmful or beneficial, depending on the intended use. The evidence base supports the use of high doses under appropriate medical supervision for anti-cancer, proapoptotic stimulation and activation of molecular metabolic pathways that inhibit/block neoplastic proliferation. > > For health maintenance, you should use selenium in a good bioavailable form, in a low dose (such as 200mcg). This probably provides good anti-cancer benefits due to enhancing cellular pathways GSSH-GSH metabolism. You should avoid higher doses unless under supervision by a competent healthcare professional who understands the pathway stimulations being induced, and the should be reserved for targeting cancer that is already diagnosed. > Do not use higher dose selenium for long term as an anti-cancer preventative. High dose selenium is an inducer of ROS (superoxide anion) and can cause problems. > > The issue with antioxidant use and cancer prevention is tricky. If someone has pre-cancerous stage cells or nascent cancer as yet undiscovered, then anti-oxidant use may well confer survival advantage to the cancer cells and make the situation worse. These people need targeted pro-apoptotic, anti-cancer treatment. The problem is, many of them don't (yet) know it. The lung cancer studies that show that beta-carotene and Vitamin A use by smokers is associated with a bit greater cancer incidence is most likely due to this " undescribed " effect. > > My thought prior to the release of these studies was that the use of certain antioxidants in smokers, if the sample size of the study were large enough, it would show that lung cancer incidence increased due to this (not yet widely understood antioxidant-conferring-survival-to-cancer-cells effect). When the results came out, my thought was, 'of course, it's to be expected.' > > The medical community was surprised and the natural health community went apoplectic. I think very few understand the molecular biology and so the issue of personal bias plays into the response to the data. I predict the same type of results for other cancers if the cohort size is adequate. " > > I appreciate Dr. LaValley's willingness to share his expert thoughts on selenium. > > Interestingly, " Chest " just published evidence-based clinical guidelines this month, including some for CAM therapies, and against some dietary supplements. Please see Chest Sep 2007: 1S–19. If you would like more details on this fascinating subject I would encourage you to read this free full text journal article. > > > > Related Articles: > > Selenium for Breast Cancer Prevention > > Supplementing With Selenium May Help Thyroiditis > > > > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/09/27/can-selenium-prote\ ct-you-from-cancer.aspx > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 > > Interestingly I was once told that the USA's RDA programme is nothing > more than the amount of nutrition to be used for everyone in the case > that food rationing becomes necessary. > > This kinda shone a new light on it for me, but then I had already > moved to the camp where I've accepted that I simply need more > supplementation than most people ;-) > > Cheers, > Alison > ... who yesterday bought more selenium at Trader Joe's :-) > > Kia ora Alison, Since I'm not in your part of the world, that is interesting about the USA's food rationing. Personally I'm so grateful to my holistic GP for reminding me about the horse drops from him. This liquid form (obtained from the vet) is very affordable and bio-available (can't be too bad if it makes our Thoroughbreds run faster...) Since I've been seriously taking the drops, flu or colds do not take such a hold as they once did. (I wished I'd got his selenium years ago) Who knows where we might be if we'd started early. I hope you enjoy Mercola's articles http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/11/selenium.htm and also check out the URL's referred to in an earlier post http:// health./group/candidiasis/message/54814 BTW: all the best for your selenium supplementation.;o) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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