Re: questions on mental side effects with chelation

[Guest guest]

I would say so Jan, based on my own experience (no physical effects at

all during chelation - at probably too-high a dose- but some serious

depression). I wish I had more suggestions for you, though. I'm

still trying to muck my way through. Is her dose low enough?

Maybe you could list her supps, someone will likely have some good

ideas for mood support.

best wishes

Rene

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> Any suggestions? Ideas? Is this Hg related as it seems?

>

[Guest guest]

What dose, dosing schedule, route are you using? What did her hair test show?

Did the dentist x-ray after removal to make sure he had gotten all the mercury

out? What did he replace with? Did the dentist follow proper protocol?

S S

<p>My NT 11 year old just did her 7th round with dmsa. Her last

amalgam <br>

out in July. On adrenal support, supplements, dairy free..probiotics, <br>

GSE, etc, etc. She has been asking me about feeling paranoid, and <br>

worrying constantly. She feels over worried about huge ideas that kids <br>

her age should'nt. Worries of catastrophe, bad things happening. She <br>

said she gets a " bad feeling " a lot of times that something bad is <br>

going to happen. (impending doom as I call it) Mainly, she seems what <br>

I call Hg psycho...lol. <br>

<br>

I was like this before filling removal. But it went away after. I <br>

suspect she is not dumping as much Hg as I have. Even though I have <br>

done the same number of rounds. She gets very irritated and moody and <br>

depressing between rounds. So I know she needs more rounds..but we are <br>

not able to do more than two a month. Non custodial parent will not <br>

cooperate with this at all. <br>

<br>

Any suggestions? Ideas? Is this Hg related as it seems?<br>

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[Guest guest]

> I was like this before filling removal. But it went away after. I

> suspect she is not dumping as much Hg as I have. Even though I have

> done the same number of rounds. She gets very irritated and moody and

> depressing between rounds. So I know she needs more rounds..but we are

> not able to do more than two a month. Non custodial parent will not

> cooperate with this at all.

EFAs and anti-virals can be helpful. Because it is worse between

rounds, this would have meant mineral toxicity for my #2 son. Try

removing minerals for a round, see what happens.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Let me list what she is on and what she has tried.

We are using dmsa, 12.5 mg every four hours. She is 101 pounds. We

give c (500mg) with dmsa because she gets nauseaus and sick feeling

if we don't. I also give GSE while on a round. We have had good

effects using Yeast Aid for a few weeks at a time.

Natrol My favorite Multi-one per day

EFA's-fortiflax-two tbsp. per day

Adrenal cortex extract-one cap twice a day

Jarrow Acidophilus-1 cap per day in pm

Yeast Aid- one cap per day in the am

If off yeast aid she gets two caps of GSE per day given separately.

Zinc-50 mg before bed

Mag-100mg twice a day

Vit C-500mg three times a day

We use echinacea but only when she has a cold.

Melatonin-1mg before bed

Lithium- 1 cap three times a week. (5mg aspartate)

We only use this three times a week. Using it everyday she says

makes her " feel funny "

I do give extra a and E when on a round. Vit A palminate 8,000IU and

Vit E-400Iu once a day each.

I increase zinc/mag a bit on a round. She does not tolerate her

calcium chews, says they make her stomach sick.

I pulled her off all the other supplements last month because she

was not doing any better on them. So we widdled it down to the

basics above.

There is no amalgam in her mouth. No fish consumption. Showed

deranged minerals on May hair test. Low adrenal/thyroid.

The only things that helped in the past were yeast aid and the

adrenal cortex. This is short lived though. She seems calmer and

less irritable, more agreeable and content on a round to me. But

basically over all an unhappy kid.

> > I was like this before filling removal. But it went away after.

I

> > suspect she is not dumping as much Hg as I have. Even though I

have

> > done the same number of rounds. She gets very irritated and

moody and

> > depressing between rounds. So I know she needs more rounds..but

we are

> > not able to do more than two a month. Non custodial parent will

not

> > cooperate with this at all.

>

>

> EFAs and anti-virals can be helpful. Because it is worse between

> rounds, this would have meant mineral toxicity for my #2 son. Try

> removing minerals for a round, see what happens.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

> Low adrenal/thyroid.

Hi Jan,

Are you giving her any thyroid support? Before I got it, I was a

pretty unhappy camper.

W.

[Guest guest]

I wonder if it could be some side effect specifically from the DMSA.

Was she like this before starting chelation? A friend of mine had

severe anxiety when chelating with DMSA. Maybe you could try a round

of ALA to see if she has the same problem.

[Guest guest]

No she was miserable before chelation too. It just is not getting much

better. And at times is worse between rounds. She just reached her

three months post removal in Oct. so we have not done ala yet. But she

is carrying lead and some other metals, so using the dmsa is needed

for a while anyway. But I think we may try to add it next round.

>

> I wonder if it could be some side effect specifically from the DMSA.

> Was she like this before starting chelation? A friend of mine had

> severe anxiety when chelating with DMSA. Maybe you could try a round

> of ALA to see if she has the same problem.

>

[Guest guest]

No, but was thinking that was next.

>

> > Low adrenal/thyroid.

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> Are you giving her any thyroid support? Before I got it, I was a

> pretty unhappy camper.

>

> W.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this information helps or sparks any ideas out there.

But she has a round beginning this past Thursday and running to late

Saturday night/sunday am.

She seemed her usual moody self on Sunday. complained of thoughts,

worries, etc as described in my post. Today she seemed happier,

positive. Enjoyed her day...which happens almost never around here.

She seems to have a few good days after a round. Then it will go back

to the same old again.

>

> I wonder if it could be some side effect specifically from the DMSA.

> Was she like this before starting chelation? A friend of mine had

> severe anxiety when chelating with DMSA. Maybe you could try a round

> of ALA to see if she has the same problem.

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

She may be one of those people who do better when you do both DMSA/ALA

together.

Now that you have done some rounds of DMSA, try adding in about 2/3 the DMSA

amount for the ALA.

Good Luck !

Neil

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:14 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: questions on mental side effects with

chelation

I don't know if this information helps or sparks any ideas out there.

But she has a round beginning this past Thursday and running to late

Saturday night/sunday am.

She seemed her usual moody self on Sunday. complained of thoughts,

worries, etc as described in my post. Today she seemed happier,

positive. Enjoyed her day...which happens almost never around here.

She seems to have a few good days after a round. Then it will go back

to the same old again.

>

> I wonder if it could be some side effect specifically from the DMSA.

> Was she like this before starting chelation? A friend of mine had

> severe anxiety when chelating with DMSA. Maybe you could try a round

> of ALA to see if she has the same problem.

>

[Guest guest]

> We are using dmsa, 12.5 mg every four hours. She is 101 pounds. We

> give c (500mg) with dmsa because she gets nauseaus and sick feeling

> if we don't.

Try increasing this dose of vitamin C.

> EFA's-fortiflax-two tbsp. per day

Try giving some fish oil also.

> We use echinacea but only when she has a cold.

I use OLE, might work better than echinacea for you [i don't tolerate

echinacea personally]. Try giving this every day.

> Lithium- 1 cap three times a week. (5mg aspartate)

> We only use this three times a week. Using it everyday she says

> makes her " feel funny "

Why are you giving it at all? Test results?

> I do give extra a and E when on a round. Vit A palminate 8,000IU and

> Vit E-400Iu once a day each.

If she is better on round, it might be because of this. Try giving

this every day.

> I increase zinc/mag a bit on a round. She does not tolerate her

> calcium chews, says they make her stomach sick.

My son was calcium toxic.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Dana the lithium is based upon her extremely low levels on hair

testing. This also fits in with mood regulation problems. It does

help somewhat. Will try the other suggestions below and see what

happends.

> > We are using dmsa, 12.5 mg every four hours. She is 101 pounds.

We

> > give c (500mg) with dmsa because she gets nauseaus and sick

feeling

> > if we don't.

>

>

> Try increasing this dose of vitamin C.

>

>

> > EFA's-fortiflax-two tbsp. per day

>

>

> Try giving some fish oil also.

>

>

> > We use echinacea but only when she has a cold.

>

>

> I use OLE, might work better than echinacea for you [i don't

tolerate

> echinacea personally]. Try giving this every day.

>

>

> > Lithium- 1 cap three times a week. (5mg aspartate)

> > We only use this three times a week. Using it everyday she says

> > makes her " feel funny "

>

>

> Why are you giving it at all? Test results?

>

>

> > I do give extra a and E when on a round. Vit A palminate 8,000IU

and

> > Vit E-400Iu once a day each.

>

>

> If she is better on round, it might be because of this. Try giving

> this every day.

>

>

> > I increase zinc/mag a bit on a round. She does not tolerate her

> > calcium chews, says they make her stomach sick.

>

>

> My son was calcium toxic.

>

> Dana

>