Re: ~~~Was: Nell and : Was: Viruses/diet

September 1, 2006

Well, yes, would leave the anaphylactic ones alone, to be sure. The others, I

think depends on what they are, if the allergy is to chocolate, then that is not

a problem.

But if the allergy is to something else, food wise, the only reason we took it

away was to shore up her system so she could handle it more efficiently. And

while we did not feed her tons of it, we still did give some.

Getting rid of the allergens in the system requires; adequate digestion, a good

liver and shoring up the immune system. I think those should be the goals rather

than removing foods, other than the ones that might cause your kids not to

breathe.

[ ] ~~~Was: Nell and : Was: Viruses/diet

When you say allergens, what do the reactions look like? My kiddos

have 2 foods they are anaphylactic to so obviously we avoid those,

but we have several other foods that are allergic but nothing

fatal. But we have been avoiding them, and like others, new things

just keep popping up. So I'm wondering what kind of reaction do you

let slide? Just curious really...

Wyndie

> > > >

> > > > >Anita,

> > > > This has been EXACTLY our experience with ALL gut

interventions

> > > > (enzymes, SCD, etc).I think my baby is cured for a couple

of

> > weeks &

> > > > then he starts to slip again.

> > >

> > > And not surprisingly, same with n. I'm moving towards

LOD at

> > the

> > > moment, partly because it explains a possible reason why SCD

> > seemed to

> > > work at first and then yowza a disaster: in the beginning he

was

> > > getting mostly meat and vegetables and some fruit. Then I

started

> > > baking with almond flour, which is about as high in oxalates

as

> you

> > > can get.

> > >

> > > But I'm interested in the peptide theory too. Not that I

really

> > > understand what a peptide IS.

> > >

> > > Nell

> > >

> >

>

September 1, 2006

> Getting rid of the allergens in the system requires; adequate

digestion, a good liver and shoring up the immune system. I think

those should be the goals rather than removing foods, other than the

ones that might cause your kids not to breathe.

Sure that good digestion and a healthy liver and immune system are the

goals. But in the meantime, if a food causes your kid to turn into a

raging murderous psychopath, believe me, you'll remove it!

Nell

September 1, 2006

This is where I really struggle: the whole adequate digestion,

liver, immune system thing. I feel like I'm just beating my head

against the wall b/c nothing seems to work. I know chelation will

likely fix the majority of their problems, but how to keep them

stable while doing it is my main concern. Seems like a catch 22

some days b/c their guts are horrible so how to get rid of metals

without causing more gut/immune system damage... I'm pretty

clueless about the immune system bolstering although I am doing a

few things, but not nearly enough I'm sure.

But I digress, I was truly just curious as to what type of reactions

you would let slide. Behavioral foods, I avoid, but I also avoid

anything that appears to give the slightest hint of trouble and we

are so limited now it's frustrating. I see my 1 year old heading

the same direction and just don't know if I should avoid everything

that seems to cause her trouble or just plow on thru and live with

the icky eczema, etc. Ya know? I think you have taken the right

approach b/c it does seem we've backed ourselves into a corner b/c

of all the foods we avoid.

Thanks for your response

Wyndie

In , " Cochran "

<Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

> Getting rid of the allergens in the system requires; adequate

digestion, a good liver and shoring up the immune system. I think

those should be the goals rather than removing foods, other than the

ones that might cause your kids not to breathe.

>

> [ ] ~~~Was: Nell and : Was:

Viruses/diet

>

> When you say allergens, what do the reactions look like? My

kiddos

> have 2 foods they are anaphylactic to so obviously we avoid

those,

> but we have several other foods that are allergic but nothing

> fatal. But we have been avoiding them, and like others, new

things

> just keep popping up. So I'm wondering what kind of reaction do

you

> let slide? Just curious really...

> Wyndie

>

September 2, 2006

Wyndie,

It sure is a catch 22 and I felt, many times like it was a balancing act that

was impossible to achieve.

The first step, I think is the digestion. Do you use digestive enzymes? We did

for the first month, then found the key to our girl's digestion was plain

ascorbic acid, as evidently she didn't have enough stomach acid to adequately

absorb things. I learned this lesson again about 6 months ago when I

experimented with making her system more alkaline as I had read that accelerated

the clearance of metals.

Although it is true that SOME metals are cleared by alkalinity, others are not

and I found her absorption of nutrients went down. So we increased the ascorbic

acid and again we did better. But, for others using enzymes is critical.

So the digestion is key. The other things we did to increase liver functioning

were E, 400 IU per day of natural d-alpha tocopheryl, milk thistle and

phosphatidylcholine, not an option if a kid reacts very negatively to soy

products.

As I said the very same allergens are found in the blood of healthy individuals.

Allergies, here are helped by lots of C, pantothenic acid, or better pantethine,

high dose A, in the form of acetate and cod liver oil and lots of B vitamins.

In the beginning we had reactions to any product that contained bleached white

flour and all dyes and citrus fruits. Her reactions to these were not violence

or breathing problems, but did include being less focused or more hyperactive,

sometimes very hyperactive.

We did not eliminate the foods, but we didn't feed large amounts of them either.

Our little one LOVES saltine crackers which are loaded with bleached white

flour, we didn't let her gorge on them, but would occasionally allow a cracker

her and there.

The standard treatment for allergies, if you think about it, was to give small

amounts of the allergy producing substances to build tolerance. Again, I

wouldn't try this with any foods that create severe reactions.

Truth be told if it was up to me we would have totally avoided the substances

that caused problems. It was my dd that reasoned that totally avoiding things

was not the answer, and I have to say, I think she was right.

With the emphasis on the above supplements, and chelation our girl can now eat

anything without the reactions she previously had.

So to answer your question, we avoided temporarily anything that caused an

enormous reaction, but allowed the things that she was medium to low reactive

to. When she stopped reacting to the medium to low foods we then started

introducing high reactivity foods.

This was the answer, for us, not sure it would work for other people, hope it

helps you.

[ ] ~~~Was: Nell and : Was:

Viruses/diet

>

> When you say allergens, what do the reactions look like? My

kiddos

> have 2 foods they are anaphylactic to so obviously we avoid

those,

> but we have several other foods that are allergic but nothing

> fatal. But we have been avoiding them, and like others, new

things

> just keep popping up. So I'm wondering what kind of reaction do

you

> let slide? Just curious really...

> Wyndie

>

September 2, 2006

Hi Wyndie

Lots of people will tell you that limiting to just a few foods does

not work well in the long run. Very many of us (including myself)

did that very same thing and ended up with a child who tolerated NO

foods. The best thing we did (after 1 year of a very restricted

diet) was to start the Houston enzymes. After about 3-4 months on

these I was able to SLOWLY start reintroducing things like wheat,

small amounts of corn and or soy here and there. I didn't give them

every day, but maybe once or twice a week. We were also able to

reintroduce almost all fruits and her beloved peanut butter with the

No-Fenol enzyme. At first it seemed that she would have mild

reactions to some of the things, like corn always made her very

hyper, etc.. Sometimes certain foods would make her wake up at night

and stay awake for several hours. These I tried to avoid except for

once in a while.

I have to say that now that she has been on the enzymes for 8 months,

plus we have completed 21 rounds of chelation, she rarely has a

discernable reaction to any of the foods anymore, except dairy

products. We still avoid artificals ingredients (probably always

will for the most part) and I try to use organic fruits/meats

whenever possible. I also try to limit sugar and grains due to

ongoing yeast issues with the chelation.

My child was one of those who began talking at the age of 3 within a

week of dairy removal. If I give her dairy now (or anything with

lactose ingredients) even with the enzymes, she doesn't necessarily

lose any language, but has these terrible crying episodes that she is

unable to explain to me. So, for now we still avoid dairy. I am

very hopeful tho, that continuing chelation will eventually solve the

dairy problem as well.

I just wanted to share our experience with diet restrictions and I am

sure that you too will figure out a plan that works well for your

children.

Sheresa

> >

> > Getting rid of the allergens in the system requires; adequate

> digestion, a good liver and shoring up the immune system. I think

> those should be the goals rather than removing foods, other than

the

> ones that might cause your kids not to breathe.

> >

> > [ ] ~~~Was: Nell and : Was:

> Viruses/diet

> >

> > When you say allergens, what do the reactions look like? My

> kiddos

> > have 2 foods they are anaphylactic to so obviously we avoid

> those,

> > but we have several other foods that are allergic but nothing

> > fatal. But we have been avoiding them, and like others, new

> things

> > just keep popping up. So I'm wondering what kind of reaction do

> you

> > let slide? Just curious really...

> > Wyndie

> >

>

September 2, 2006

The crying episodes might be related to the neurotransmitter tryptophan abundant

in milk that has an direct effect on mood. Ours had those crying spells " off "

the milk probably for the same reason, different levels.

[ ] ~~~Was: Nell and : Was:

> Viruses/diet

> >

> > When you say allergens, what do the reactions look like? My

> kiddos

> > have 2 foods they are anaphylactic to so obviously we avoid

> those,

> > but we have several other foods that are allergic but nothing

> > fatal. But we have been avoiding them, and like others, new

> things

> > just keep popping up. So I'm wondering what kind of reaction do

> you

> > let slide? Just curious really...

> > Wyndie

> >

>

September 3, 2006

That's interesting , thanks for sharing. I'll have to do some

research on tryptophan and see what I come up with. I have noticed

that even supplements containing lactose will have the same affect on

her so I was thinking maybe just the lactose intolerance, however I

would think that a lactose enzyme would eliminate this problem and it

does not. Quite a mystery, and a real pain not to be able to give

her any yogurt or cheese which were some of her favorite foods before

dietary invervention.

Sheresa

> > >

> > > Getting rid of the allergens in the system requires; adequate

> > digestion, a good liver and shoring up the immune system. I

think

> > those should be the goals rather than removing foods, other

than

> the

> > ones that might cause your kids not to breathe.

> > >

> > > [ ] ~~~Was: Nell and :

Was:

> > Viruses/diet

> > >

> > > When you say allergens, what do the reactions look like? My

> > kiddos

> > > have 2 foods they are anaphylactic to so obviously we avoid

> > those,

> > > but we have several other foods that are allergic but nothing

> > > fatal. But we have been avoiding them, and like others, new

> > things

> > > just keep popping up. So I'm wondering what kind of reaction

do

> > you

> > > let slide? Just curious really...

> > > Wyndie

> > >

> >

>

September 3, 2006

Nell, you are qute funny:) In my son's case, I would have never even

sought help for milder symptoms than the ones he was showing. But he

was violent & aggressive, unhappy, etc. After we removed the IgG+

foods, not only did he improve dramatically in these categories, he

also stopped having infections. Prior to removal, he was having ear,

throat & sinus infections-at least one a month- from about ages 2-3.

When we removed the foods he showed up as sensitive to, he didn't have

another infection of any kind until we started monkeying around with

antivirals about a year & a half later.

>

> > Getting rid of the allergens in the system requires; adequate

> digestion, a good liver and shoring up the immune system. I think

> those should be the goals rather than removing foods, other than the

> ones that might cause your kids not to breathe.

>

> Sure that good digestion and a healthy liver and immune system are the

> goals. But in the meantime, if a food causes your kid to turn into a

> raging murderous psychopath, believe me, you'll remove it!

>

> Nell

>

September 3, 2006

Yes, I will forever remember the phrase " raging murderous psychopath " :-)

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