Re: Chelation question....Dana, others

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ALA also chelates arsenic, so it's good that you plan to use it. Andy suggests

1/8-1/2 mg/lb so your dosing would be 5-20 mg.

S S

I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead and other <BR>

metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA. Would it <BR>

be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add DMSA when <BR>

we get it? I do not want to make things worse. Should we just wait for <BR>

the DMSA?  According to his hair test, he did not meet the counting <BR>

rules for mercury. From our research all of his vaccines had aluminum. <BR>

But I am sure he might have some mercury somewhere from my amalgams. <BR>

He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin. <BR>

<BR>

We will be using GSE and probiotics for yeast. As well as the rest of <BR>

the supplements on the list. <BR>

<BR>

And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA for a 40 <BR>

pound child. I apologize but my math is really lame right now. <BR>

Thanks in advance for your advice.<BR>

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There are lots of other people on this board with more knowledge and experience.

I started my son just last week on ALA only (35 lbs. 15mg ALA) on the Andy

protocal.

His speech therapists, OT and ABA teachers are all raving this week. 5 new

words (he is almost totally non-verbal at age 32 months due to Autism and

apraxia.) He also is using his new words in context (not just repeating.) I

almost want to cry with joy!

I just mixed the ALA in a dropper with some water and followed the three hour

protocal for the 2.6 days... not too hard (except at night.) But small price to

pay for the gains i have seen after just one round.

Anyways , this is just my story. Follow the best practice from the others.

They might have better advice as to what works for most people, and maye i would

see even more if i would have added some DMSA into the mix...

-john

Jan <queenvavee@...> wrote:

I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead and other

metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA. Would it

be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add DMSA when

we get it? I do not want to make things worse. Should we just wait for

the DMSA? According to his hair test, he did not meet the counting

rules for mercury. From our research all of his vaccines had aluminum.

But I am sure he might have some mercury somewhere from my amalgams.

He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin.

We will be using GSE and probiotics for yeast. As well as the rest of

the supplements on the list.

And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA for a 40

pound child. I apologize but my math is really lame right now.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

That is good news. I was wondering the same thing about the doseage

of DMSA and what to supplement the good minerals with. I have a 5

year old with Aspergers whose hair test looks positive for mercury

being withheld. Virtually none on the test, and her essentials are

all out of range. I have her on a Split cell Chlorella liquid supp.

right now, and it seems to be making some mild improvements, but may

want to try a more drastic approach. From what I read about alpha

lipoic acid, unless its the S-type lipoic acid, normal alpha lipoic

is not effective in removing mercury, only iron, copper and some

others. It does recycle vitamins and antioxidents in the system like

vitamin C, is this only for the purpose of replenishing vitamins? I

really want to get the regiment down pat before I try anything. I

dont want her to get sick from any treatment I impose.

Thanks

bill

billydkid5@...

> I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead and

other

> metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA. Would

it

> be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add DMSA

when

> we get it? I do not want to make things worse. Should we just wait

for

> the DMSA? According to his hair test, he did not meet the

counting

> rules for mercury. From our research all of his vaccines had

aluminum.

> But I am sure he might have some mercury somewhere from my

amalgams.

> He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin.

>

> We will be using GSE and probiotics for yeast. As well as the rest

of

> the supplements on the list.

>

> And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA for a

40

> pound child. I apologize but my math is really lame right now.

> Thanks in advance for your advice.

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Heavens, Bill, lots of kids on this list have used the plain old alpha

lipoic acid along with the DMSA and their kids have gotten better or

recovered.

Barb

[ ] Re: Chelation question....Dana, others

> Hi,

> That is good news. I was wondering the same thing about the doseage

> of DMSA and what to supplement the good minerals with. I have a 5

> year old with Aspergers whose hair test looks positive for mercury

> being withheld. Virtually none on the test, and her essentials are

> all out of range. I have her on a Split cell Chlorella liquid supp.

> right now, and it seems to be making some mild improvements, but may

> want to try a more drastic approach. From what I read about alpha

> lipoic acid, unless its the S-type lipoic acid, normal alpha lipoic

> is not effective in removing mercury, only iron, copper and some

> others. It does recycle vitamins and antioxidents in the system like

> vitamin C, is this only for the purpose of replenishing vitamins? I

> really want to get the regiment down pat before I try anything. I

> dont want her to get sick from any treatment I impose.

> Thanks

> bill

> billydkid5@...

>

>

>> I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead and

> other

>> metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA. Would

> it

>> be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add DMSA

> when

>> we get it? I do not want to make things worse. Should we just wait

> for

>> the DMSA? According to his hair test, he did not meet the

> counting

>> rules for mercury. From our research all of his vaccines had

> aluminum.

>> But I am sure he might have some mercury somewhere from my

> amalgams.

>> He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin.

>>

>> We will be using GSE and probiotics for yeast. As well as the rest

> of

>> the supplements on the list.

>>

>> And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA for a

> 40

>> pound child. I apologize but my math is really lame right now.

>> Thanks in advance for your advice.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> =======================================================

>>

[Guest guest]

Pam/Barb, I must have missed that important fact the first time I

scanned over it, but it does sound that way.

Sorry Barb, Im kinda new to this message group, I wasnt doubting

that the AL is helping these kids along with the DMSA, I'm just

looking for the why's thats all. Does anyone know where I can view

the regiment and schedules that are working for your children that I

can review? Is anyone supplementing with any type of

vitamin/mineral Just curious.

Thanks

> >> I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead and

> > other

> >> metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA.

Would

> > it

> >> be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add

DMSA

> > when

> >> we get it? I do not want to make things worse. Should we just

wait

> > for

> >> the DMSA? According to his hair test, he did not meet the

> > counting

> >> rules for mercury. From our research all of his vaccines had

> > aluminum.

> >> But I am sure he might have some mercury somewhere from my

> > amalgams.

> >> He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin.

> >>

> >> We will be using GSE and probiotics for yeast. As well as the

rest

> > of

> >> the supplements on the list.

> >>

> >> And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA

for a

> > 40

> >> pound child. I apologize but my math is really lame right now.

> >> Thanks in advance for your advice.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> =======================================================

> >>

[Guest guest]

I think there is a link in the files to view the chelation schedule

and vitamin/minerals supplementation regimen. But thanks

everyone...I feel a bit better about what to use..it seems we have

no where to go but up from here...so ALA until the DMSA gets here. I

guess I am just a bit nervous using the DMSA without a doc onboard

to check things out. But I am learning to over-ride that " we need a

doc to fix things " thinking. Obviously, having a doc didn't help us

this far...Just learning to reprogram the thinking I suppose.

> > >> I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead

and

> > > other

> > >> metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA.

> Would

> > > it

> > >> be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add

> DMSA

> > > when

> > >> we get it? I do not want to make things worse. Should we just

> wait

> > > for

> > >> the DMSA? According to his hair test, he did not meet the

> > > counting

> > >> rules for mercury. From our research all of his vaccines had

> > > aluminum.

> > >> But I am sure he might have some mercury somewhere from my

> > > amalgams.

> > >> He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin.

> > >>

> > >> We will be using GSE and probiotics for yeast. As well as the

> rest

> > > of

> > >> the supplements on the list.

> > >>

> > >> And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA

> for a

> > > 40

> > >> pound child. I apologize but my math is really lame right now.

> > >> Thanks in advance for your advice.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> =======================================================

> > >>

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Thats the truth. About the doctors. There are only 2 local to me that are

classified DAN, and 1 is no longer accepting patients. I had hope for the other

but he ended up being a complete quack. No offense to anyone who tries it but in

addition to being the only doctor I could find that would prescribe chelation

therapy, he performs brain molding, or forming by pushing on areas of the skull

and releasing pressures in the brain?? Anyone hear of anything like that. That

was enough to scare me off. Sounded a bit too primitive to me. My daughters

normal pediatrician is no help at all. Says its all nonsense, yet has done no

research at all on the subject. Typical.

Jan <queenvavee@...> wrote: I think there is a link in the files to view

the chelation schedule

and vitamin/minerals supplementation regimen. But thanks

everyone...I feel a bit better about what to use..it seems we have

no where to go but up from here...so ALA until the DMSA gets here. I

guess I am just a bit nervous using the DMSA without a doc onboard

to check things out. But I am learning to over-ride that " we need a

doc to fix things " thinking. Obviously, having a doc didn't help us

this far...Just learning to reprogram the thinking I suppose.

> > >> I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead

and

> > > other

> > >> metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA.

> Would

> > > it

> > >> be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add

> DMSA

> > > when

> > >> we get it? I do not want to make things worse. Should we just

> wait

> > > for

> > >> the DMSA? According to his hair test, he did not meet the

> > > counting

> > >> rules for mercury. From our research all of his vaccines had

> > > aluminum.

> > >> But I am sure he might have some mercury somewhere from my

> > > amalgams.

> > >> He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin.

> > >>

> > >> We will be using GSE and probiotics for yeast. As well as the

> rest

> > > of

> > >> the supplements on the list.

> > >>

> > >> And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA

> for a

> > > 40

> > >> pound child. I apologize but my math is really lame right now.

> > >> Thanks in advance for your advice.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> =======================================================

> > >>

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>

> Thats the truth. About the doctors. There are only 2 local to me

that are classified DAN, and 1 is no longer accepting patients. I

had hope for the other but he ended up being a complete quack. No

offense to anyone who tries it but in addition to being the only

doctor I could find that would prescribe chelation therapy, he

performs brain molding, or forming by pushing on areas of the skull

and releasing pressures in the brain?? Anyone hear of anything like

that. That was enough to scare me off. Sounded a bit too primitive

to me. My daughters normal pediatrician is no help at all. Says its

all nonsense, yet has done no research at all on the subject.

Typical.

THAT IS PROBABLY CRANIAL SACRIAL(SP?) THERAPY, GOOGLE IT AND YOU

CAN GET LOTS OF INFO. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO CLAIM IT TO BE VERY HELPFUL

FOR THEIR ASD KIDS. YOU SEEM TO BE OVERWHELMED INTO ALL THERE IS TO

DO AND TRY OUT THERE FOR OUR KIDS. THERE IS NO ONE WAY THAT IS

BETTER OR NOT BUT RESEARCH HELPS AND IT SEEMS YOU ARE DOING THAT.

MOST PEOPLE START WITH DIET LOTS OF CHOICES GFCF, SCD, BODY ECOLOGY,

GAPS AND PROBABLY MORE JUST CANT THINK NOW. AND THEN ADD IN THE

VITTS/SUPPS ,ENZYMES AND EXPECT TO SEE SOME WITHDRAWL AND OTHER

REGRESSIVE TYPE THINGS HAPPEN WHENEVER YOU TRY ANY THERAPY

INTERVENTIONS. THE BODY HAS TO ADJUST AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUNCTION

DIFFERENTLY. THE YEAST PROTOCALS ARE BIG ONES TOO B/C IF YOU DONT

HAVE IT NOW YOU CERTAINLY WILL ONCE YOU START TREATMENTS. THEN CAN

COME CHELATION AS THE BODY IS FUNCTIONING BETTER TO HANDLE IT PLUS

HAS MORE NUTRIENTS TO DRAW FROM IF DEPLETED FROM CHELATION. AND OF

COURSE AS YOU HAVE SEEN MANY DIFFERENT METHODS HERE TO CONTIMPLATE

BUT THERE ARE ALSO KIDS DOING VIRAL TREATMENTS BEFORE CHELATION OR

WITH IT AFTER THE REGRESSION STAGE. THERE IS ALSO NATURAL ANTIVIRALS

OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT, VIRASTOP AND OTHERS INSTEAD OF PRESCRIPTION PLUS

SOME ARE GETTING GOOD RESULTS WITH MB12 SHOTS OR NASAL SPRAY. EITHER

WAY YOU CHOOSE TO START MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT ONE FOR YOUR

CHILD SO THAT IS WHY IT IS GOOD TO HAVE DOC ON BOARD TO GIVE INSIGHT

AND DO TESTING AND HELP DETERMINE WHAT TO TRY NEXT. GOOD LUCK KEEP

READING AND LEARNING AND REMEMBER NOT TO TAKE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON

THE NET INTERMS OF ARTICLES AND STATEMENTS AS TRUTH. THESE SITES ON

ARE GOOD FOR GETTING PARENTS PERSONAL EXPERIENCES AND GETTING

QUESTIONS THROWN OUT THERE TO EACH OTHER!!!

>

>

>

> >

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

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> > > >>

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>

he performs brain molding, or forming by pushing on areas of the

skull and releasing pressures in the brain?? Anyone hear of anything

like that.

Is he talking about cranio-sacral therapy? I've had several sessions

of that myself, and while I agree that it sounds wacky, my response to

the therapy was dramatically positive. I felt very calm, slept much

better, very relaxed for days afterwards. Also a few days after one

session I had an airplane flight, which is usually quite painful for

me (ears), and that time it was not at all. I think the therapist had

opened things up in my skull so that pressure didn;t build up like it

usually does.

Nell

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No problem: you just gave me a mild heart attack, that's all! I've

been using alpha lipoic acid for the past 3 months with absolutely

incredible results. Much better than the prior 4 months on TD-DMSA.

We all use vitamins and minerals whether chelating or not. I'm sure

there are some great sites to view in the Files section on the left

hand side of this page. A good multimineral (without copper), zinc,

vitamin C, essential fatty acids, Vitamin E, B vitamin complex,

extra methylcobalamin (mB12), calcium; these are all basics. Many,

many others to add~

The important part about the ALA is the dosing schedule: every 3

hours. Some can stretch it to every 4 hours without problems. This

frequent dosing really seems to eliminate many of the negative side

effects for us (mainly, whininess and headaches).

Take care,

Pam

> > >> I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead

and

> > > other

> > >> metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA.

> Would

> > > it

> > >> be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add

> DMSA

> > > when

> > >> we get it? I do not want to make things worse. Should we just

> wait

> > > for

> > >> the DMSA? According to his hair test, he did not meet the

> > > counting

> > >> rules for mercury. From our research all of his vaccines had

> > > aluminum.

> > >> But I am sure he might have some mercury somewhere from my

> > > amalgams.

> > >> He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin.

> > >>

> > >> We will be using GSE and probiotics for yeast. As well as the

> rest

> > > of

> > >> the supplements on the list.

> > >>

> > >> And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA

> for a

> > > 40

> > >> pound child. I apologize but my math is really lame right now.

> > >> Thanks in advance for your advice.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> =======================================================

> > >>

[Guest guest]

> I am anxious to start our first round with my son for lead and other

> metals. Andy recommended we use DMSA for him along with ALA. Would it

> be unwise to begin with just ALA at this point and later add DMSA when

> we get it?

I have never used DMSA, but I don't see any problem starting ALA

first, unless you are concerned about first clearing the body before

addressing the brain.

> He is high in aluminum, arsenic, antimony, silver, and tin.

Consider removing sources of current exposures

http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm

> And also..what would be the appropriate dose of ALA and DMSA for a 40

> pound child.

I started at 25mg ALA but that is a higher dose than is generally

recommended here. Probably I would recommend starting with 10mg ALA.

I don't know about DMSA.

Dana

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I have also had positive results from CST. A kid with ASD with whom I worked

yanked me to the ground by the hair because I wouldn't let him run into traffic.

I went to a CST practitioner to treat my strained neck. My vision improved so

much that I had to get new glasses. The eye doctor couldn't beleive that my

vision changed so much in such a short time so he did the tests 4 times.

S S

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he performs brain molding, or forming by pushing on areas of the<BR>

skull and releasing pressures in the brain?? Anyone hear of anything<BR>

like that.<BR>

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