Re: mouth hurting after ALA

[Guest guest]

Jen,

It might be yeast. ALA causes yeast and yeast in the mouth makes it very

difficult to tolerate anything acidic or sour or hot. It can also cause the

mouth and gums, tongue and throat to become flaming red. This was how my

daughter was for years before starting any biomed. After doing Nystatin she was

fine.

Something to consider.

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From: " jennifer_thorson " <jennifer_thorson@...>

My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue looks

a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar butt.

We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info you

had as to what this is.

Thanks,

Jen

[Guest guest]

It may be unrelated. I do not know where you live, but in TX right

now the coxsackie virus is going around.

For more on the virus check out:

http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/coxsackie.h

tml

Sofia

>

> My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue

looks

> a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar

butt.

> We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info

you

> had as to what this is.

>

> Thanks,

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

When my son had coxsackie, He had trouble eating and drinking, and got spots

around his mouth and on his bottom...so maybe...

On 11/9/06, Sofia <sofiagh365@...> wrote:

>

> It may be unrelated. I do not know where you live, but in TX right

> now the coxsackie virus is going around.

> For more on the virus check out:

> http://www.kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/coxsackie.h

> tml

>

> Sofia

>

>

> >

> > My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> > days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> > she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> > she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue

> looks

> > a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> > Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar

> butt.

> > We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info

> you

> > had as to what this is.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jen

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeast. Are you giving it every three hours around the clock? Also, this stuff

is tough on the throat if you give the powder, so make sure it's in capsules.

Barb

[ ] mouth hurting after ALA

My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue looks

a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar butt.

We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info you

had as to what this is.

Thanks,

Jen

[Guest guest]

-Also dehydration may be a factor due to the body trying to detox. Can

you manage to get her to drink more?

-- In , " jennifer_thorson "

<jennifer_thorson@...> wrote:

>

> My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue looks

> a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar

butt.

> We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info

you

> had as to what this is.

>

> Thanks,

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

I have been giving her GSE every morning. Should I give her something

stronger?

>

> Jen,

> It might be yeast. ALA causes yeast and yeast in the mouth makes it

very difficult to tolerate anything acidic or sour or hot. It can also

cause the mouth and gums, tongue and throat to become flaming red.

This was how my daughter was for years before starting any biomed.

After doing Nystatin she was fine.

> Something to consider.

>

>

> -------------- Original message --------------

> From: " jennifer_thorson " <jennifer_thorson@...>

> My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue looks

> a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar butt.

> We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info you

> had as to what this is.

>

> Thanks,

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

She cannot swallow capsules yet so I gave it every 3 hours in juice.

She did not complain while we were doing ALA but over a week later.

She has been drinking a lot more juice and less water and milk to get

all the supplements in. Now that her mouth hurts she is drinking even

less at school. I have pushed water at night though. I have cut down

on how much juice I put with the supplements. She screams when she

drinks the supplements with juice but does not when she only drinks

water. We went to the dentist and she said there were no sores in her

mouth and it looked normal. I may start doing training on capsules.

Are there multi-vit for autism that are in pill form?

>

> Yeast. Are you giving it every three hours around the clock? Also,

this stuff is tough on the throat if you give the powder, so make sure

it's in capsules.

>

> Barb

> [ ] mouth hurting after ALA

>

>

> My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue looks

> a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar butt.

> We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info

you

> had as to what this is.

>

> Thanks,

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, when I took ALA alone (I'd run out of DMSA and it's so

expensive that it took a while to order more) I developed mouth sores

almost immediately which were painful all the time.

A friend of mine said that she used the DMSA with the ALA for this very

reason - it minimizes the side effects. It also helps to speed up

chelation about 30% (I read somewhere). I never have the problem with

the DMSA added to the ALA, unless I use too high of a dosage. I use

50mgs of each per round currently.

(Rosegvr)

>

> My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue looks

> a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar

butt.

> We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info

you

> had as to what this is.

>

> Thanks,

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Acidic juices would hurt with a sore mouth.

S S

<p>She cannot swallow capsules yet so I gave it every 3 hours in

juice. <br>

She did not complain while we were doing ALA but over a week later. <br>

She has been drinking a lot more juice and less water and milk to get<br>

all the supplements in. Now that her mouth hurts she is drinking even<br>

less at school. I have pushed water at night though. I have cut down<br>

on how much juice I put with the supplements. She screams when she<br>

drinks the supplements with juice but does not when she only drinks<br>

water. We went to the dentist and she said there were no sores in her<br>

mouth and it looked normal. I may start doing training on capsules. <br>

Are there multi-vit for autism that are in pill form?<br>

<br>

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[Guest guest]

Two thing..what is her vitamin A dose?

Secondly..ALA is very irritating to the mouth. My son had this problem

when we were mixing it into juice and he was drinking it. We switched

to putting it into a tiny bit of food to gulp down. A treat or nutter

ball or something she likes. But we also follow it with a lot of cold

water and switched to using Kirkman ALA which seemed to solve the

problem.

There is no yeast problem right? Sore bump is usually yeast

overgrowth. You have to be on continual yeast treatment with

chelation. My son had these same problems at the beginning.

We use GSE for yeast, probiotics, and the water with better brand ALA.

You may need to forgo the supplements for a day or two until her mouth

settles down. My son would not take anything either for a day or two

after the ALA was done. Once his mouth got better and we got the yeast

down he went back to eating and taking his supps.

>

> My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue

looks

> a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar

butt.

> We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info

you

> had as to what this is.

>

> Thanks,

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I have been giving her GSE every morning. Should I give her something

> stronger?

For my family, GSE was the most effective anti-fungal. Adding

Candidase enzyme made it even more effective. But, it does not work

this well for others. You might try something different, see if it

works better for you.

Dana

[Guest guest]

She was getting 20,000 IU extra of Vit. A but I have cut it down to

5000 extra to see if the mouth sensativity, sucking on her lip or deep

breathing was caused by mineral toxicity. I also cut down Vit E,

magnesium, and calcium. I have continued with milk thistle,

molybdenum and DHA at the same dose. At first she did less lip

sucking and deep breathing but now it seems to come and go with no

pattern. I will probably stay at the same dose until after this

weekend and then maybe start over. She ate more yesterday and took

her ALA with no complaint. She still does not want to brush but she

does a little bit.

The ALA is Puritan's Pride. I will try putting it in some food to see

if that helps.

Regarding yeast, I don't know that she had or has a problem but I am

using GSE and Threelac probiotic. She has been more hyper lately and

had a bad case of trush when she was a baby.

Jen

> >

> > My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> > days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> > she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> > she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue

> looks

> > a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> > Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar

> butt.

> > We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info

> you

> > had as to what this is.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Would pear juice be the less acidic?

>

> <p>She cannot swallow capsules yet so I gave it every 3

hours in juice. <br>

> She did not complain while we were doing ALA but over a week later. <br>

> She has been drinking a lot more juice and less water and milk to

get<br>

> all the supplements in. Now that her mouth hurts she is drinking

even<br>

> less at school. I have pushed water at night though. I have cut

down<br>

> on how much juice I put with the supplements. She screams when she<br>

> drinks the supplements with juice but does not when she only drinks<br>

> water. We went to the dentist and she said there were no sores in

her<br>

> mouth and it looked normal. I may start doing training on capsules.

<br>

> Are there multi-vit for autism that are in pill form?<br>

> <br>

>

>

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Yes, but I think Andy has said that for mixing doses ahead the chelators are

more stable if mixed with acidic juice.

S S

<p>Would pear juice be the less acidic?<br>

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Because the soreness appeared two weeks or so after, it is more

likely to be yeast or something. My son had his soreness appear

within a day of starting dmsa/ala. He has to eat his too. Are there

any white patches inside her mouth. Use a flashlight because they

are hard to see. If so, this is yeast. Does her tongue have a white

coating on it? This also indicated yeast.

If you use pear juice, mix it right when you use it instead of ahead

of time because it is not as acidic to preserve the ala. Or give it

in a food...a tsp of something tasty. Hyper is yeast with my kids

too. Sometimes when you start chelating the current yeast dose needs

to be increased a bit.

Cracked side of mouth can be too much Vit A.

> > >

> > > My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago.

A few

> > > days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last

night

> > > she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed

when

> > > she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue

> > looks

> > > a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> > > Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a

soar

> > butt.

> > > We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any

info

> > you

> > > had as to what this is.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Jen

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Cracked side of mouth can be too much Vit A.

It can also be B2 and/or B12 deficiency.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Can anyone confirm to me that ALA effects the adrenals? Evidently is can

lower blood sugar levels. Thanks for any help.

Barbie

[Guest guest]

There's some info out there about using ALA with diabetics. Try searching for

" ALS and diabetes " .

S S

<p>Can anyone confirm to me that ALA effects the adrenals?

Evidently is can <br>

lower blood sugar levels. Thanks for any help.<br>

<br>

Barbie<br>

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Chelation in general affects the adrenals. It stressed them further.

I have seen this first hand in chelation with myself. I often have to

increase my adrenal support during and shortly after a round of

chelation.

>

> Can anyone confirm to me that ALA effects the adrenals? Evidently

is can

> lower blood sugar levels. Thanks for any help.

>

> Barbie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/antioxidant/alpha_lipoic/Alpha_C_25mg_90_Spe\

c064.html

the above site is from Kirkman labs and in the first paragraph it

states that ALA often has a burning sensation. Do you open the

capsules to give ALA? Maybe try the Kirkman brand and see if it helps.

Tina

>

> My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue looks

> a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar butt.

> We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info you

> had as to what this is.

>

> Thanks,

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

I am switching to pills this round. But I noticed that if I forgot

GSE, her mouth would get red and lips crack. If I upped the GSE,

her mouth would get better in a day or two.

Jen

> >

> > My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A

few

> > days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last

night

> > she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed

when

> > she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue

looks

> > a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> > Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar

butt.

> > We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any

info you

> > had as to what this is.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jen,

We often see this when yeast flares up using ALA. GSE is very helpful.

Also, if she has to eat her ala instead of swallow it, as is the case

for my son make sure she drinks a lot of cold water after chewing it.

To rinse her mouth of the ala. We did find ala irriated my son's mouth

until we did this. We also switched to Kirkman brand and it seems less

irriating. But no matter which brand you use, and with the sore

bottom..yeast is a problem. My son gets the sore bottom and sore mouth

with yeast when on a round. We give a small amount of GSE with each

dose of chelator. I grind up the tablets and give a small amount of

powder with each dose. It ends up equalling maybe two tablets in 24

hours. But this stopped the sore mouth and bottom for us. Hope she

feels better.

>

> My 5 year old had her first round of ALA almost 2 weeks ago. A few

> days ago she complained of cracked lips and soar tongue. Last night

> she hardly ate and did not want her supplements. She screamed when

> she had them and would not let me brush her teeth. Her tongue

looks

> a little red and bumpy and the sides of her lips are cracked.

> Otherwise I do not see anything. She also complained of a soar

butt.

> We are supossed to start ALA again tomorrow, but I wanted any info

you

> had as to what this is.

>

> Thanks,

> Jen

>