Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low dosage protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA at all. Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might not be pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a large amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little. But too, his dr. had a random test done which was the morning after the very last dosage. With all 3 tests done so far, he is pulling more nickel and lead than anything else. Maybe these have to go first before a big mercury pull? And the nickel, I think it's coming from his sterling silver caps on his teeth. All his molars are sterling silver caps. And he has one space maintainer. But also, before we ever started chelation, we did the Bentonite clay baths. Is it possible that he pulled more than thought in the baths? And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being expelled through his stool? And since that was not tested maybe we are missing something. I really have to call his dr. tomorrow and get an explanation and stuff. I just don't feel comfortable going ahead with ALA after only 6 rounds. And 3 of the rounds she doesn't even know about. She only knows that he's had 3 rounds so far. Any advice or experts out there? advice is just fine with me Thanks, Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Hi Trish, How's his behavior since the chelation? Have you noticed any improvements and/or changes? Also, why are you reluctant to try ALA? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Trish, If it helps you to feel any better, we have been using ALA right from round one with my 3.5 year old. DMSA is not known to pull a lot of mercury but mainly other metals. It is good to keep using it to get rid of lead and any other metals, it may also pick up mercury that is freed up from the ALA. Your right to suspect his dental work for the nickel. I am not sure much can be done to remove those caps at this point, as it sounds like he has a lot of them, and would not have anything to chew on. It would be costly to cap all of those molars with porcelain. But yes, this is a viable source of his nickel. Old mercury exposure is usually settled deeper into tissues and the brain. It required ALA to remove it. Also many times mercury is pulled through the colon and excreted that way. Stool metal tests are useful too, but not really necessary. If you know that your child has mercury exposure and showed so on his hair testing...then the mercury is there somewhere. Likely you won't see much of it until you begin ALA. From my personal standpoint I was more nervous using dmsa than I was ALA. If you continue to use dmsa with it to catch any mercury that is freed up it should be fine. I am only giving my opinion of course. We are on round 9 of dmsa/ala with my son now. So far..I don't regret any of it. He is doing great. I have not seen any ill effects, other than yeast, but you are probably handling that with dmsa anyway. My daughter is on dmsa alone and is not improving as much. I cannot add ALA until Oct for her because her last filling was removed in July, but I am anxious to add it. Many of us are using both chelators starting right off, actually that is what Andy told me to use for both my kids. If it helps...express some of your concerns about the ALA and we can all help answer questions and share experiences. > > Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low dosage > protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals > tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA at > all. Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might not be > pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a large > amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little. But > too, his dr. had a random test done which was the morning after the > very last dosage. > With all 3 tests done so far, he is pulling more nickel and lead > than anything else. Maybe these have to go first before a big > mercury pull? And the nickel, I think it's coming from his sterling > silver caps on his teeth. All his molars are sterling silver caps. > And he has one space maintainer. > But also, before we ever started chelation, we did the Bentonite > clay baths. Is it possible that he pulled more than thought in the > baths? And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being > expelled through his stool? And since that was not tested maybe we > are missing something. > I really have to call his dr. tomorrow and get an explanation and > stuff. I just don't feel comfortable going ahead with ALA after only > 6 rounds. And 3 of the rounds she doesn't even know about. She only > knows that he's had 3 rounds so far. > > Any advice or experts out there? advice is just fine with me > > Thanks, > Trish > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Dana, I am using DMSA w/ ALA to get rid of lead. Did any of your kids show lead? Did they dump any lead using ALA only? Thanks, [ ] Re: help please? > > Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low dosage > protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals > tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA at > all. Why? ALA is the only chelator I used for four kids. >> Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might not be > pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a large > amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little. Mercury is commonly the last metal to come out. So yes, the DMSA is probably pulling other metals first. >>And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being > expelled through his stool? DMSA pulls thru the urine. ALA pulls thru the stool. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 FYI silver caps are actually stainless steel. This would be a great source of nickel. > > > > Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low dosage > > protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals > > tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA > at > > all. Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might not > be > > pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a > large > > amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little. > But > > too, his dr. had a random test done which was the morning after > the > > very last dosage. > > With all 3 tests done so far, he is pulling more nickel and lead > > than anything else. Maybe these have to go first before a big > > mercury pull? And the nickel, I think it's coming from his > sterling > > silver caps on his teeth. All his molars are sterling silver caps. > > And he has one space maintainer. > > But also, before we ever started chelation, we did the Bentonite > > clay baths. Is it possible that he pulled more than thought in the > > baths? And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being > > expelled through his stool? And since that was not tested maybe we > > are missing something. > > I really have to call his dr. tomorrow and get an explanation and > > stuff. I just don't feel comfortable going ahead with ALA after > only > > 6 rounds. And 3 of the rounds she doesn't even know about. She > only > > knows that he's had 3 rounds so far. > > > > Any advice or experts out there? advice is just fine with me > > > > Thanks, > > Trish > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 To whomever asked, we are doing 3on/11off. The reason his dr. didn't know of the first 3 rounds is because I didn't let her know that we had already begun chelation. , my son is pulling lead with just oral dmsa. And the test done was the random urine metals test and it showed not far from the yellow zone for lead. We are having a plumber come out soon and i'm going to see if maybe some of the pipes aren't lead. This house is way old, it could be. And if they aren't lead pipes then I wanna know where he's getting this lead. So, about the Bluebonnet ala brand? Anyone used the " Bluebonnet " brand before? That's all I have at present so i'm just wanting to know before I use it this weekend. It claims it's corn, wheat, dairy, all that free and that it is a pure form but I thought I'd ask you all... Thanks, Trish > > > > Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low dosage > > protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine metals > > tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the ALA at > > all. > > Why? ALA is the only chelator I used for four kids. > > >> Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might not be > > pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a large > > amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little. > > Mercury is commonly the last metal to come out. So yes, the DMSA is > probably pulling other metals first. > > >>And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being > > expelled through his stool? > > DMSA pulls thru the urine. ALA pulls thru the stool. > > Dana > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 As far as the lead, if your home was built before the 80's and it sounds like that's the case. Then all the solder used on your pipes contains lead. To see if your pipes are lead, just check what color they are...probably copper, but check the main that comes into the house through the cellar wall. You can scrap it lightly with a screw driver. It should be brass or other hard metals. Very few houses still contain a lead main pipe, but if it did it would be a soft grayish metal. In the meantime get him on bottled water!! Most faucets leach some lead anyway, and tap water can contain it no matter what your pipes are made of. Our rule is NO tap water no matter where we are.. Never underestimate where the lead might be from. Our home was built in the early 50's and the original paint inside and out contained lead. When we bought the house it was freshly painted, and we ended up repainting rooms to the colors we wanted anyway. This did not matter, my son was still skyhigh in lead. It is in the dust in the house. And in the soil in the yard. You may wish to get some lead swabs from the home center and check anywhere that looks suspicious. Or you can have lead testing done. If your child has a blood test for lead and it is above a certain level, your county will do that. But don't be surprised if his blood level is low. Our was very low, but he showed effects from lead, and it hair level was really high. I would suggest a book on lead hazards as there are so many, and you can eliminate his exposures immensely in some simple ways. The ALA sounds ok from your description but I have not heard of the brand myself. Also get him on Zinc, and calcium. Lead stores in the bones and extra calcium will discourage this as will zinc. Search through the old posts on lead...we have given many sources and placed to look..including toys! > > > > > > Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low > dosage > > > protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine > metals > > > tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the > ALA at > > > all. > > > > Why? ALA is the only chelator I used for four kids. > > > > >> Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might not > be > > > pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that a > large > > > amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very little. > > > > Mercury is commonly the last metal to come out. So yes, the DMSA > is > > probably pulling other metals first. > > > > >>And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being > > > expelled through his stool? > > > > DMSA pulls thru the urine. ALA pulls thru the stool. > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 We do drink bottled water but I still am wanting to get a high-quality filter and filter it before drinking. Lately, we have had a well water leak and so he is not currently taking baths here but at my mother in law's house and she is on city water. But tonight I took some Bentonite clay with us and stuck it in his bath hopeing that the junk in that water the clay would soak it up. I am giving him plenty of zinc but I definantly need to get more calcium. He is getting calcium but just not as much as he needs w/the lead... Oh, someone asked if my son's dr. did hair tests. Well, so far she has only done urine tests, and now we are going to do fecal metals tests with the ala. She said she will do a hair test sometime but I can't remember when that is exactly. She is turning out to be a wonderful dr. I was skeptical at first. Thanks for all the advice and information. I am going to investigate the lead thoroughly. The plumber will be coming out next Thursday and we can have him check as he fixes the well leak. Our leak is coming from the pipes in the basement. Thanks for the comment on the Bluebonnet brand. That makes me feel much better as we are starting the ala in the morning. Do you have any more information on the county doing whatever about lead toxicity? or possible sources? Thanks, Trish > > > > > > > > Hi, my son has done about 6 rounds oral dmsa using the low > > dosage > > > > protocal. Now his dr. wants to add ALA because his urine > > metals > > > > tests showed up low mercury... Well, I am not sure about the > > ALA at > > > > all. > > > > > > Why? ALA is the only chelator I used for four kids. > > > > > > >> Could it be that the mercury is masked somehow? He might > not > > be > > > > pulling large amounts of mercury but that does not mean that > a > > large > > > > amount isn't in his body... He is pulling some but very > little. > > > > > > Mercury is commonly the last metal to come out. So yes, the > DMSA > > is > > > probably pulling other metals first. > > > > > > >>And too, it's possible that maybe more metals are being > > > > expelled through his stool? > > > > > > DMSA pulls thru the urine. ALA pulls thru the stool. > > > > > > Dana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 > > So, about the Bluebonnet ala brand? Anyone used the " Bluebonnet " > brand before? I haven't used Bluebonnet ALA but have used some of their other supps without problems. Generally people seem not to be terribly sensitive to brands when it comes to ALA, as long as there aren't a lot of fillers. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 > Dana, > I am using DMSA w/ ALA to get rid of lead. > > Did any of your kids show lead? Did they dump any lead using ALA only? I never tested my kids, I just went by observation. Occasionally, someone posts here that test results indicated ALA pulled lead for her child. So I think it probably does pull lead, just not as much as DMSA. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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