Re: Braces - stainless vs titanium vs ceramic

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

We are crossing that bridge too, for our 2 NT kids who are chelating. I used

Onibasu to

look up posts in the archives on braces. I think I used " andrewhallcutler

braces " for search

terms.

This is what I have in my notes:

Onibasu brings up a mixed bag:

58252 from 2-02 has Andy saying he'd be leery of chelating with braces.

119843 from 9-04 has Andy saying it should be okay with no amalgam and no

sensitivity

to nickel.

141657 from 6-05 says braces and chelating should be okay, most people tolerate

it.

HTH,

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I have spend endless hours on this one. My daughter needs braces

badly and I am agains nickel of any kinds. Nickel is a known cancer

causing metal. It does leech. Studies have show a clear correlaton

between the placement of stainless steel braces and a drop of grades

as much as an entire grade point within months of installing the

braces. Behavioral changes were very evident in these kids.

Depression, moodiness, what most refer to as " typcial teen " is

really the effects of nickel. Stianless steel braces do conduct

current, which interfers with normal brain waves.

I personally had stainless steel braces as a teen, and am still

highly allergic to nickel.

Orthodontist will tell you that stainless steel is safe, as that is

what they are taught. If you read the data safety sheets for the

products it will tell you differently.

I did find some companies that make plastic braces. As for the

porcelain being harder to deal with and staining, this depends on

the kid. If they smoke mainly. And if they do, then nickel dangers

would be the second on the list of contaminent dangers.

If you cannot do invisalign, look into plastics or all porcelain.

The titanium would not be too bad if is did not have nickel in it.

I will post the links below to some orthodontic product

manufacturers and you can read up on product choices and the

chemical content. There are thousand of orthodontist, so if this one

cannot use porcelain or some metal free option, comfortable find one

who will. Even if you child was not chelating and never planned to,

introducing nickel into her body for a steady number of years is a

bad idea. I know it leaves us with a rock and hard place.

http://www.gacintl.com/onlinecat_a.html

http://orthoclassic.com

In Hal Huggins book " It's all in your head " he talks of the dangers

of metal braces. He took his information to the orthodontic

companies and asked them why if they knew the dangers of nickel are

they still using it. They told him " why change a good thing? " Bear

in mind that stainless steel braces cost about $1.00 per bracket.

The companies told him that they knew of the dangers of nickel and

had lawyers ready to go. And that is a certain number of customers

sued them with proof of damage from the nickel then they would

change it. So today they still sit with lawyers ready. Since nickel

damage is hard to prove.

I do hope some of this information helped. I am almost tempted to

leave my daughters teeth alone if I can't find a safer option. I

would try contacting some holistic dentists trained under Hal

Huggins for some information on less toxic products to straighten

teeth.

>

> I am hoping to get advice on braces for my NT daughter. We went

yesterday for a consultation and was offered the following choices

>

> Wire

>

> 1. Titanium - nickle; they said this type of wire is the most

flexible and easiest to work with and would give the best results in

moving the teeth. The orthodontist reported that the nickel content

is very low and leeching is not a problem even for nickel sensitive

patients.

>

> 2. Titanium - molybdenum; this wire was offered but is stiffer

so harder to work with and not the best match for my daughters

situation. In certain cases, the stiffer wire is preferred.

>

> Brackets

>

> 1. Stainless steel - these brackets are the easiest to work with

and keep clean. These are supposed to be the latest technology and

are spring loaded self-ligating which allow the wire to slide in the

bracket allowing the tooth to be moved with the minimum amount of

force.

>

> 2. Ceramic - these are cosmetically superior, but harder to keep

clean and work with. Also the 2 end brackets need to be stainless

as the cermamic can't hold up to the force in those locations. The

ceramics are more prone to breaking and causing other problems.

>

> 3. Titanium without any nickel - these brackest are more

difficult to work with and keep clean than the stainless steel

type.

>

>

> Any advice will be greatly appreciated and wondering how dangerous

is nickle and how much of it will leech out of the stainless steel

brackets

> and titanium-nickle wire? Thanks.

>

> Dave

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please be aware that most orthodontists move upper front teeth too fast, casuing

the roots to break off and the body to reabsorb them. This happened to both my

older brother and I. We had buck teeth, his worse than mine. Every dentist

I've been to since (I've moved a lot) looks at the x-rays and says, " Oh, I see

you had braces. " so it is quite common. I wrote to the Orthodonctic Association

(or whatever it's called) to alert them to the problem, saying they need to

teach orthodontists not to move them so fast. They replied that they know (and

don't care). Apparently they don't think parents or teens would agree to braces

if told they will take more than two years. If your child(ren) have buck teeth

make it clear that you do not want them moved so fast that the roots break off.

S S

<p>I am hoping to get advice on braces for my NT daughter. We went

yesterday for a consultation and was offered the following choices<br>

<br>

Wire<br>

<br>

1. Titanium - nickle; they said this type of wire is the most flexible and

easiest to work with and would give the best results in moving the teeth. The

orthodontist reported that the nickel content is very low and leeching is not a

problem even for nickel sensitive patients. <br>

<br>

2. Titanium - molybdenum; this wire was offered but is stiffer so harder to

work with and not the best match for my daughters situation. In certain cases,

the stiffer wire is preferred.<br>

<br>

Brackets<br>

<br>

1. Stainless steel - these brackets are the easiest to work with and keep

clean. These are supposed to be the latest technology and are spring loaded

self-ligating which allow the wire to slide in the bracket allowing the tooth to

be moved with the minimum amount of force.<br>

<br>

2. Ceramic - these are cosmetically superior, but harder to keep clean and work

with. Also the 2 end brackets need to be stainless as the cermamic can't hold

up to the force in those locations. The ceramics are more prone to breaking and

causing other problems.<br>

<br>

3. Titanium without any nickel - these brackest are more difficult to work with

and keep clean than the stainless steel type. <br>

<br>

Any advice will be greatly appreciated and wondering how dangerous is nickle and

how much of it will leech out of the stainless steel brackets<br>

and titanium-nickle wire? Thanks.<br>

<br>

Dave <br>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the links Jan. I was nosing around those and some others last night

and saw

that some of the titanium alloys have a higher % of Ni than stainless steel.

One site had

nickel-free brackets which are primarily cobolt-chromium.

Sigh. I wish I knew what to do! My kids' teeth are a mess!

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Michele,

I know the feeling. My daughter has a severe overbite. I am told if I

don't correct her bite that she will develop tmj when she gets older.

This is what happend to me. Not a nice thing to have.

The only product I found on there that might be useful are brackets

called Oyster. They are made from a copolymer called Eastalloy MA510

Polymer. They use a super elastic archwire or beta (titanium). I still

have to find out what is in the archwires. And of course, trying to

find molar rings or buccal tubes that are all titanium or some otehr

than stainless steel. It is the only metal free self ligitating

bracket system I have found yet.

Mystique is ceramic with silicate lining..also metal free.

These are from the Straight and Clear line from GAC products.

Basically, I am weary of putting any of this on her. They use all

kinds of chemicals in the bonding and glues and such. There is even

fluoride in the adhesive now to prevent cavities under the brackets.

I think I must just ask what type of results we could get with

invisalign. After all we don't need movie star teeth, just healthy

functioning ones. And in my opinion they should be trying to promote

dental arch growth in my daughter so her teeth can move to where they

should be. I was looking into something called dental somatic

integration. This works on developing normal dental arch and facial

structure. However, no one within 8 hours of here does this.

Any product they suggest, ask for the MCDS data sheet on it.

From the best of my research, without invisalign, best case scenario

is to have plastic brackets and all titanium anything else. Most of

the porcelain seems to be fired onto stainless. And there are some

stainless that is gold plated..they claim this stops the nickel

leeching. We are going for our next consult today. Will let you know

if I find anything helpful!

>

> Thanks for the links Jan. I was nosing around those and some others

last night and saw

> that some of the titanium alloys have a higher % of Ni than

stainless steel. One site had

> nickel-free brackets which are primarily cobolt-chromium.

>

> Sigh. I wish I knew what to do! My kids' teeth are a mess!

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Thanks so much for the information in this and your earlier posts.

I have a lot of reading to do and will check out the products you

mentioned. The ortho we went to said the invisiline was not a good

option for my daughter since her teeth need to be moved more than

what the invisiline can do. I am going to opt for a nickle free

wire and bracket.

Dave

> >

> > Thanks for the links Jan. I was nosing around those and some

others

> last night and saw

> > that some of the titanium alloys have a higher % of Ni than

> stainless steel. One site had

> > nickel-free brackets which are primarily cobolt-chromium.

> >

> > Sigh. I wish I knew what to do! My kids' teeth are a mess!

> >

> > in Illinois

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Relatively little nickel will leach out of the Ti Ni alloy.

For someone who has nickel allergy this is going to be a problem, but

without nickel allergy I would not be concerned.

Someone with nickel allergy will break out from wearing nickel

containing jewelry like " german silver " or stainless steel. This is

an easy test.

Is the stainless a 300 series or 400 series alloy? 400 series alloys

have very little if any nickel, 300 series are about 10% nickel.

The chromium in the alloy is fine.

The Ti Mo wire would be very inert.

Chelation shouodn't mobilize significant amounts of nickel if there is

no allergy as long as the chelator is inside a capsule or tablet and

is swallowed.

Andy

> I am hoping to get advice on braces for my NT daughter. We went

yesterday for a consultation and was offered the following choices

>

> Wire

>

> 1. Titanium - nickle; they said this type of wire is the most

flexible and easiest to work with and would give the best results in

moving the teeth. The orthodontist reported that the nickel content

is very low and leeching is not a problem even for nickel sensitive

patients.

>

> 2. Titanium - molybdenum; this wire was offered but is stiffer so

harder to work with and not the best match for my daughters situation.

In certain cases, the stiffer wire is preferred.

>

> Brackets

>

> 1. Stainless steel - these brackets are the easiest to work with

and keep clean. These are supposed to be the latest technology and

are spring loaded self-ligating which allow the wire to slide in the

bracket allowing the tooth to be moved with the minimum amount of force.

>

> 2. Ceramic - these are cosmetically superior, but harder to keep

clean and work with. Also the 2 end brackets need to be stainless as

the cermamic can't hold up to the force in those locations. The

ceramics are more prone to breaking and causing other problems.

>

> 3. Titanium without any nickel - these brackest are more difficult

to work with and keep clean than the stainless steel type.

>

>

> Any advice will be greatly appreciated and wondering how dangerous

is nickle and how much of it will leech out of the stainless steel

brackets

> and titanium-nickle wire? Thanks.

>

> Dave

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Thanks for the help on braces. I will check if the stainless steel

is 300 or 400 series. I found some other brackets that are

stainless without any nickle but have chromium and cobalt as the

alloys. Would cobalt be any concern? Thanks!

Dave

>

> Relatively little nickel will leach out of the Ti Ni alloy.

>

> For someone who has nickel allergy this is going to be a problem,

but

> without nickel allergy I would not be concerned.

>

> Someone with nickel allergy will break out from wearing nickel

> containing jewelry like " german silver " or stainless steel. This

is

> an easy test.

>

> Is the stainless a 300 series or 400 series alloy? 400 series

alloys

> have very little if any nickel, 300 series are about 10% nickel.

>

> The chromium in the alloy is fine.

>

> The Ti Mo wire would be very inert.

>

> Chelation shouodn't mobilize significant amounts of nickel if

there is

> no allergy as long as the chelator is inside a capsule or tablet

and

> is swallowed.

>

> Andy

>

> > I am hoping to get advice on braces for my NT daughter. We went

> yesterday for a consultation and was offered the following choices

> >

> > Wire

> >

> > 1. Titanium - nickle; they said this type of wire is the most

> flexible and easiest to work with and would give the best results

in

> moving the teeth. The orthodontist reported that the nickel

content

> is very low and leeching is not a problem even for nickel sensitive

> patients.

> >

> > 2. Titanium - molybdenum; this wire was offered but is stiffer

so

> harder to work with and not the best match for my daughters

situation.

> In certain cases, the stiffer wire is preferred.

> >

> > Brackets

> >

> > 1. Stainless steel - these brackets are the easiest to work with

> and keep clean. These are supposed to be the latest technology and

> are spring loaded self-ligating which allow the wire to slide in

the

> bracket allowing the tooth to be moved with the minimum amount of

force.

> >

> > 2. Ceramic - these are cosmetically superior, but harder to keep

> clean and work with. Also the 2 end brackets need to be stainless

as

> the cermamic can't hold up to the force in those locations. The

> ceramics are more prone to breaking and causing other problems.

> >

> > 3. Titanium without any nickel - these brackest are more

difficult

> to work with and keep clean than the stainless steel type.

> >

> >

> > Any advice will be greatly appreciated and wondering how

dangerous

> is nickle and how much of it will leech out of the stainless steel

> brackets

> > and titanium-nickle wire? Thanks.

> >

> > Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >