Re: /was: ANDY/Adrenal supp ?

May 2, 2006

Yes, it does, thank you,

Re: [ ] ANDY/Adrenal supp ?

Hi! -

Not Andy, here, of course. But since I'm one of the folks working on this

topic, I hope Andy makes it clear that using dessicated adrenal products

- of any kind - runs the risks of :

1) being too much or too little support.

2) including undesirable ingredients - epinephrines (Yikes!)or echinacea

(allergies)

3) being an unknown quantity that is hard to duplicate or utilize

INTELLIGENTLY - in an informed way.

4) requiring careful tapering (which may or may not be effectively

accomplished with the original product) to avoid potential reactions of

adrenal insufficiency.

5) if there is a sufficiently high (unknown, remember?) dose for long enough

there can be side effects that accompany an (accidental) pharmacological

(rather than low physiological) dose of cortisol. This HIGH dose can EVEN

result suppression of the adrenals which can - again at HIGH DOSES- cause

secondary ADDISON'S disease.

*For the same reasons that Andy suggests using a KNOWN, SAFE, dose of

chelator, it is reasonable to suggest a KNOWN, SAFE dose of adrenal support.

*

**

Hope This Helps,

...

On 5/1/06, Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

> Andy,

>

> There are a number of us on the A-M board who are trying to figure out how

> to handle our kids' adrenal/thyroid issues. For the thyroid, we are using

> Armour.

>

> As to adrenals, from a search of posts on the archives, it appears you

> caution against steroid use for children and that you recommend adrenal

> cortex extract, B5, licorice etc. for support.

>

> You recommend against cortisol supplementation and have said that when

> necessary, mgs=body weight divided by 7 of cortisol can be used, but for as

> little time as possible.

>

> This came from a discussion of the use of Isocort, which has 2.5 mgs of

> cortisol in each pill. The exact ingredients in Isocort are " freeze dried

> Adrenal Cortex (Soluble Fractionation) Echinacea extract, prunus spp. and

> Lomatium Dissectum Root Isolate (Kreb Concentrate-2%) in a pellet base of

> lactose and lactase. "

>

> On the other hand, you have said several times that lots of adrenal cortex

> can be used. It appears from my research that adrenal cortex contains:

> corticosteroids, including aldosterone, glucocorticoids (cortisol or

> cortisone) and 17-ketosteroids (DHEA).

>

> Is there any difference that you know of between the adrenal cortex used

> in Isocort and other adrenal cortex extract supplements? Is one preferable

> over the other?

>

May 2, 2006

YW! -

This made me feel like I finished the crossword puzzle! ;o)

Yippee!

.... ;o)

On 5/2/06, Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

>

> Yes, it does, thank you,

>

> From: Mateosian

Hi! -

>

> Not Andy, here, of course. But since I'm one of the folks working on this

> topic, I hope Andy makes it clear that using dessicated adrenal products

> - of any kind - runs the risks of :

>

> 1) being too much or too little support.

> 2) including undesirable ingredients - epinephrines (Yikes!)or echinacea

> (allergies)

> 3) being an unknown quantity that is hard to duplicate or utilize

> INTELLIGENTLY - in an informed way.

> 4) requiring careful tapering (which may or may not be effectively

> accomplished with the original product) to avoid potential reactions of

> adrenal insufficiency.

> 5) if there is a sufficiently high (unknown, remember?) dose for long

> enough

> there can be side effects that accompany an (accidental) pharmacological

> (rather than low physiological) dose of cortisol. This HIGH dose can EVEN

> result suppression of the adrenals which can - again at HIGH DOSES- cause

> secondary ADDISON'S disease.

>

> *For the same reasons that Andy suggests using a KNOWN, SAFE, dose of

> chelator, it is reasonable to suggest a KNOWN, SAFE dose of adrenal

> support.

> *

> **

> Hope This Helps,

> ...

>

> On 5/1/06, Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

> >

> > Andy,

> >

> > There are a number of us on the A-M board who are trying to figure out

> how

> > to handle our kids' adrenal/thyroid issues. For the thyroid, we are

> using

> > Armour.

> >

> > As to adrenals, from a search of posts on the archives, it appears you

> > caution against steroid use for children and that you recommend adrenal

> > cortex extract, B5, licorice etc. for support.

> >

> > You recommend against cortisol supplementation and have said that when

> > necessary, mgs=body weight divided by 7 of cortisol can be used, but for

> as

> > little time as possible.

> >

> > This came from a discussion of the use of Isocort, which has 2.5 mgs of

> > cortisol in each pill. The exact ingredients in Isocort are " freeze

> dried

> > Adrenal Cortex (Soluble Fractionation) Echinacea extract, prunus spp.

> and

> > Lomatium Dissectum Root Isolate (Kreb Concentrate-2%) in a pellet base

> of

> > lactose and lactase. "

> >

> > On the other hand, you have said several times that lots of adrenal

> cortex

> > can be used. It appears from my research that adrenal cortex contains:

> > corticosteroids, including aldosterone, glucocorticoids (cortisol or

> > cortisone) and 17-ketosteroids (DHEA).

> >

> > Is there any difference that you know of between the adrenal cortex used

> > in Isocort and other adrenal cortex extract supplements? Is one

> preferable

> > over the other?