Re: Re: Vaccines for older typical child

November 7, 2006

I agree with the sentiment, but actually the greater risk in women comes

from heterosexual sex.

Jim

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[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jan

Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:42 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Vaccines for older typical child

DON'T do it~

Hep is only necessary if she is planning on having gay sex or becoming

an IV drug user. The HPV shot is bogus and has not been around long

enough to prove safety. You can prevent the contraction of HPV by

simply using a condom..which all single people should be anyway...with

all the other disease out there. Also, many strains of HPV do not

cause cancer. HPV is treatable via antivirals.

There is a lot of junk in these vaccines in addition to the viruses.

Read the ingredients list available from the manufacturer.

My dad had that Hep series from his job back when it first came out,

and he got really sick. He never recovered entirely and his health has

done nothing but decline over the years following those shots.

Never give in to anything that you do not completely beleive in. A

healthy 17 year old does not need these immune insults. At at what

cost to her future health? Vaccines are responsible for autoimmune

disease, and other things.

Tetanus does not need to be given unless and only if she is actually

injured to a degree that would warrant concern. Such as a deep wound

that got dirt in it. And as I have read it, there are natural ways to

combat tetanus if one did get it. Which is almost never in the modern

age of cleaning wounds. Personally, the risk of your child getting any

of the disease these vaccine are supposed to fix are nil. I would read

more on what is really in vaccines...this alone changed my mind.

Especially if you have a child on the spectrum. This gives higher risk

to her getting damage or sick from more vaccines.

>

> Hi,

> I have a 17 year old that is typical and an 11 year old child with

autism and vaccine related issues(MMR). My daughter is applying to

colleges and her pediatrician is pushing her to have the 3 Hep B

series as well as the HPV series of three shots to prevent cervical

cancer. She also wants to update her tetanus shot. Can I get some

feedback regarding these shots and whether I should give in?

> Thanks,

> Phyllis

>

November 8, 2006

PLEASE Don't give her the hep B . It will ruin her health Jen

Jan <paxlforme@...> wrote:

Probably true there.

It goes back to the original idea of practicing safe or no sex.

> >

> > Hi,

> > I have a 17 year old that is typical and an 11 year old child

with

> autism and vaccine related issues(MMR). My daughter is applying to

> colleges and her pediatrician is pushing her to have the 3 Hep B

> series as well as the HPV series of three shots to prevent

cervical

> cancer. She also wants to update her tetanus shot. Can I get some

> feedback regarding these shots and whether I should give in?

> > Thanks,

> > Phyllis

> >

November 12, 2006

In a message dated 11/12/2006 9:43:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Rabold92

writes:

A friend of mine received Hep. B vaccine. The result was paralysis. She is

now undergoing lots of natural therapies to recover. Vaccines are not safe.

In a message dated 11/8/2006 7:34:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jenn97420@... writes:

PLEASE Don't give her the hep B . It will ruin her health Jen

Jan <_paxlforme@..._ (mailto:paxlforme@...) > wrote: Probably

true there.

It goes back to the original idea of practicing safe or no sex.

> >

> > Hi,

> > I have a 17 year old that is typical and an 11 year old child

with

> autism and vaccine related issues(MMR). My daughter is applying to

> colleges and her pediatrician is pushing her to have the 3 Hep B

> series as well as the HPV series of three shots to prevent

cervical

> cancer. She also wants to update her tetanus shot. Can I get some

> feedback regarding these shots and whether I should give in?

> > Thanks,

> > Phyllis

> >

April 22, 2008

My 18 year old will be attending college in the fall and they are saying certain

vaccines are mandatory. due to the vaccine related issues that my son has, I

don't want her to have any more vaccines. does anyone know about getting a

vaccine waiver, mainly for the hep b series, for college?

thanks,

Phyllis M. Kizner

Cureasd@...<mailto:Cureasd@...>

April 22, 2008

They tried this with my daughter a couple of years ago.The vaccines that they

wanted her to get didn't make any sense.Like one of them was for pertussis and

she already had all those vaccines when she was little.The reason is that those

vaccines do not give lifetime immunity.

The colleges and some high schools are having outbreaks of whooping coughs so

they are now trying to require the kids to get more vaccines.

I stopped vaccinating my younger children after what happend to my son but my

older kids had already had their vaccines and this new requirement upset me

because I was afraid to have her get anymore vaccines.

I know that some doctors offices will order the single vaccines instead of the

dpt but my doctor wrote a note saying that she was vaccinated years ago with the

dpt and it would be dangerous to give her another triple vaccine just to get

vaccinated for one virus.

Her doctor said that he didn't repeat vaccines on a whim.I sent a note from

her doctor saying that they would not give her anymore vaccines as it was not

deemed necessary.The school did not give me a hard time, they just put the note

on file.

Is the situation that she already had these as well and they want her to get

more? Unless these vaccines are required by law then they can't enforce the

issue.

I know with my daughter's school they were just trying to do this of their own

accord to avoid an outbreak at the school, but it is not the law right now that

college student's get another pertussis vaccine so they did not push the issue

with us.

Either way, you should be able to get a waiver.There are plenty online that

you can print out and give to the school.

Good luck with it.

phyllis KIZNER <cureasd@...> wrote:

My 18 year old will be attending college in the fall and they are

saying certain vaccines are mandatory. due to the vaccine related issues that my

son has, I don't want her to have any more vaccines. does anyone know about

getting a vaccine waiver, mainly for the hep b series, for college?

thanks,

Phyllis M. Kizner

Cureasd@...<mailto:Cureasd@...>

April 22, 2008

Private or state college? Go to http://www.nvic.org or

http://www.thinktwice.com and find out what your state (or the college's

state) allows for exemptions. Use that exemption. If a private college

they may say that they don't accept the state exemption. If so, check

with Cindee Gardner, http://www.cindeegardner.com for homeopathic

alternatives to the vaccines they are requesting. See if they will

accept those. We went through this with daughter #1 at a private

college that said they didn't accept state exemptions and the vaccines

were mandatory. We ended up getting them to accept both the state

exemption and the homeopathic alternative.

We used the book " Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective " by Neil

Z. , available at Think Twice, to give them more info about the

dangers of the vaccines they were requesting and why we wouldn't get

them for our daughter. If they are being a pain, just keep pushing up

the chain of command until you can have an audience with someone who has

the ability to change or bypass the policy. Many vaccines are

recommended by the college accreditation board for the " safety " of all

students. We started with the school nurse, who was a real #^@*( & $(#.

When we didn't like her answer. She got very ANGRY and abusive and just

dug in. So, we asked who was above her, and started working our way

up. If we got a " definitely not " we just asked who the person's

superior was, until we finally got all the way to the assistant to the

man who was #2 under the president of the college. We are getting ready

to do the same battle again, but administration has changed. So, I hope

that it has changed for the better regarding vaxing.

If you need any info, or want to talk, you can e-mail me privately.

I'll be a shoulder when you need it, if you need it. Hopefully, just

claiming the exemption will work.

P.

phyllis KIZNER wrote:

>

> My 18 year old will be attending college in the fall and they are

> saying certain vaccines are mandatory. due to the vaccine related

> issues that my son has, I don't want her to have any more vaccines.

> does anyone know about getting a vaccine waiver, mainly for the hep b

> series, for college?

>

> thanks,

> Phyllis M. Kizner

> Cureasd@... <mailto:Cureasd%40msn.com><mailto:Cureasd@...

> <mailto:Cureasd%40msn.com>>

>

April 28, 2008

It seems the study done to test the safety of the cervical cancer

vaccine was about as scientific and reliable as the 1920's thimerosal

saftey study (ie not remotely valid). And some question if there is any

real evidence that the vaccine will even work. The placebo used was not

even blank it was loaded with aluminum and other things.

From the article reported by :

" Aluminum hydroxide is what's know as an adjuvant - it stimulates immune

response. Studies in both animals and humans found that aluminum

adjuvants can cause death of brain cells. Similar studies have also

shown that aluminium adjuvants in vaccines can cross the blood-brain

barrier, as well as cause injection-site inflammation leading to chronic

joint and muscle pain and fatigue.

Aluminium adjuvants have never been subjected to clinical trials for

safety. Read that again: Although he metal has been used in vaccines

for decades, it has never been rigorously studied for long-term safety. "

" ... a reactive placebo artificially decreases the appearance of danger

of an experimental vaccine in a clinical trial because the drug company

only has to prove that adverse events weren't statistically significant

in the vaccine group versus the placebo group. So using aluminium

containing placebos falesly inflates the adverse-event data of the

'placebo' group, making the vaccine look relatively safe by comparison. "

" Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 serious adverse

events including the 17 deaths that occured in the clinical trials as

unrelated to the study. "

" Nearly 90% of all Gardasil recipients and 85% of those who received the

'placebo' reported on or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination. "

Dr Clayton Young (board certified obstetrician gynaecologist, Texas):

" There is absolutely no evidence that the vaccine prevents anything when

administered at this young age. "

" A place on the childhood vaccination schedule means a steady and

exponentially larger revenue stream. Financial analysts predict

Gardasil could be Merck's most important pipeline contributor to

top-line growth, with peak sales of at least $2 billion - revenue Merck

badly needs after the Vioxx scandals. That revenue figure assumes that

Gardasil will be required for school admittance. "

So is it really a my$tery why this product is being pushed.

But you don't have to take Suzanne 's word for it.

Why don't you ask everyone up the chain from your pediatrician right up

to the CEO of Merck to provide you with evidence of the vaccine's safety?

I only wish I could be there to see their reactions when you begin to

question them.

Cheers

patriciaa_67 wrote:

>

> Phyllis,

>

> My son reacted (cried for 10 hours straight) to his Hep B shot the

> day he was born and although we're doing everything biomed to help,

> he is still strongly on the spectrum. There is a lawsuit in France

> over the Hep B and it is banned in many countries because of the

> severity and volume of negative reactions. They are now seeing

> links between autism and schizophrenia (which manifests usually in

> the college years). It's not a risk I'd be willing to take. Head

> the warnings here. It's just not worth it.

>

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > I have a 17 year old that is typical and an 11 year old child

> with autism and vaccine

> > related issues(MMR). My daughter is applying to colleges and her

> pediatrician is pushing

> > her to have the 3 Hep B series as well as the HPV series of three

> shots to prevent cervical

> > cancer. She also wants to update her tetanus shot. Can I get

> some feedback regarding

> > these shots and whether I should give in?

> >

> > Don't give in, and do change pediatricians.

> >

> > Make it very clear to the next one that vaccines are not to be

> discussed with the child.

> >

> > Let some other families find out what the experimental HPV vaccine

> is going to do to their

> > daughters. After it has been out a few years things may be

> clearer.

> >

> > The Hep B series is associated with some of the worst casese I've

> consulted on. It is really

> > a problem vaccine, above and beyond the thimerosal.

> >

> > Most shots NOT for small children do still have thimerosal.

> >

> > These shots are all for venerial diseases, a rational discussion

> of sexuality will make them

> > a lot less relevant.

> >

> > E. g. 'rational' means things like realizing the kid is going to

> have sex and not tell you

> > about it, and probably do it for fun with people you wouldn't

> approve of, but helping her

> > understand and appreciate how much more fun and satisfying it is

> to do it with people she

> > has gotten to know enough that she genuinely likes them. By

> getting to know them that

> > well beforehand she's got a reasonable chance of finding out if

> they are at risk of having

> > this kind of ick and deciding that maybe they'd better just be

> friends.

> >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Phyllis

> > >

May 10, 2008

Most colleges allow the standard state exemption. You can look it up

for the state your college is in or your state at http://www.nvic.org

BUT if it is a private college, you may have to go through a bit more.

We had to go through climbing the hierarchical ladder for our daughter

who went to a private college. We finally got almost to the top and had

a case built against the vaccine they wanted her to get (MMR) and had

done homeopathic alternatives (http://www.cindeegardner.com) AND had a

signed letter noting the state exemption that we required to take. It

was a process, but worth it.

If the college says they don't accept the state exemptions, then ask a

couple important questions to get the ball rolling: " Who has the right

to change policy or override policy " and " Who is you direct superior so

I may take the issue up with them. " They may fudge and try not to

answer either, wanting to feel they are the all powerful Oz, as was the

school nurse who first informed us of the need for another MMR for our

daughter. But, you can push the issue. If the first person won't give

you the answer, you might be able to trace the flow from bottom to top

starting with admissions. Don't tell the person who answers the phone

why you are calling, just ask who the head of admissions is and then

leave a voice mail that you have a question which couldn't be answered

you would like them to address (I'm assuming that you will get voice

mail) and give them call back info. Then start there and go up.

You might be able to just ask the college's policy on vaccine

exemption. Also, it might be easier if you can address it as a

potential future student's parent, not as your daughter is going through

admissions right now - that way it won't reflect on your daughter.

There are many parents who don't vaccinate or completely vaccinate, so

you might be able to get the policy without alerting them to your

daughter's situation. I have even been known to call from a number that

has caller ID blocked or can't be traced to me to do legwork for such

things.

One thing I learned from our experience with the " college that has never

allowed vaccine exemption " was that you can get more info from them if

they think you are a future problem, not a current one.

FYI - Our daughter was the 1st vaccine exemption this 30+ year old

college ever admitted, and it was worth it to her and them (she

graduated with top honors and as the top senior in her major).

Hope something there helps.

P.

phyllis KIZNER wrote:

>

> does anyone know how to go about getting a vaccine exemption from a

> college? My daughter has not had the hep b series and they require it.

> what can I do or say to get out of it?

>

> Phyllis M. Kizner

> Cureasd@... <mailto:Cureasd%40msn.com><mailto:Cureasd@...

> <mailto:Cureasd%40msn.com>>

>

May 11, 2008

does anyone know how to go about getting a vaccine exemption from a college? My

daughter has not had the hep b series and they require it. what can I do or say

to get out of it?

Phyllis M. Kizner

Cureasd@...<mailto:Cureasd@...>

May 11, 2008

LInda,

thank you so much for the information,. guess I have to start working on it

right now. both schools she is considering are private. One is in Mass and one

in RI. It is the Hep B series that she hasn't had yet and I don't want her to

have it. I heard that this vaccine is for those that are sexually promiscuous

or drug users which I can say she is neither.

She is already enrolled in both schools (yes, she needs to decide which one) so

I guess that would make her a current problem. I have the phone number for one

school's health dept so I would start there instead of admissions as they would

be worthless.

thanks,

Phyllis M. Kizner

Cureasd@...<mailto:Cureasd@...>

May 11, 2008

We phrased it as a necessity, because our children come from a family with known

complications from vaccines. We never had any problems.

Barb

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