Re: Rene/was: Need brainstorming help - picky eater

June 16, 2006

Boy can I empathize with the no eating/ not eating anything but a few things. By

the time our girl was 3, you could literally see her ribs and I (original Mother

Earth who preached to everyone not to feed junk to children) found myself

feeding her ice cream for breakfast just to get something in her after she

picked at her food.

Here are a few things that helped us: Zinc helped a little, made her eat a

little more but did not expand her food choices, certain probiotics made her

more hungry and the VS also made her hungrier while we gave it. I think Anita

also found the VS allowed her to expand her boy's food choices.

But our problem was not solved until we had her thyroid checked and started

giving her the Armour. Just 1 and 1/2 Armour in the morning and she will eat

anything, will even ask for broccoli or cheese or anything because she is so

hungry. And this lasts all day.

For her, the not hungry thing was related to her slow metabolism from not having

enough thyroid hormone. Have you had his thyroid checked? Or taken his

temperature throughout the day to see if his body temps are normal?

I hope you find the answer to this, was very upsetting to us.

[ ] Need brainstorming help - picky eater

Hi listmates

I'd appreciate some input from those of you who have sucessfully

helped your child move away from a very self-limited diet.

Here's the situation:

my son has almost always been a very picky eater. However, he seems

to go through cycles where even old standbys are rejected - eight

months ago his food strike scared us enough to abandon GFCF because he

stopped eating anything but two fruits. It appears that we are again

losing menu items, though things are not quite so bad (yet). It is

obvious that he is hungry, but he can't seem to bring himself to eat

most foods. It's like he's waiting for food from another galaxy to be

beamed onto his plate. Sometimes he will touch the food, or rub it on

his cheek, or even put it to his mouth, but can't seem to eat.

(Cookies being the great exception to this rule... since I won't let

him live on cookies this is a big problem.)

We are using OTC antifungals, good probiotics, tons of enzymes, and

all of the supplements recommended by Andy for chelation, plus others

specific to our situation. We have done 14 rounds of chelation,

Cutler protocol. We have not done a viral protocol. GFCF only

narrowed the choices of foods available for him to reject, it didn't

seem to help gut/food issues. He mostly avoids the foods that were

implicated on his IgG.

Has anyone seen a big jump in their child's menu choices after doing a

viral protocol? The fact that this seems somewhat cyclic, and that we

often have more of these problems after an illness makes me think that

this is viral for us. If you did see gains, which antivirals were you

using?

Is this something that tends to resolve after a certain point in

chelation? About how many rounds in might it take?

Of course, I may need to just try harder to work on the usual gut

issues. Fair warning: if someone suggests going back to GFCF, trying

SCD, LOD, BED, GAP, etc., I will be cranky and probably mutter bad

words at my monitor. :-) I'll still be polite online, though,

because you are nice people after all.

thank you

René

June 16, 2006

I second what is saying. I am constantly amazed at how much

my little guy has changed since starting Armour (although we are at

3.75 grains / day - thinking we are Hashi's). Of course, we have

done so many other things that it is hard to know exactly what is

doing or what has done what, but I know this has been a VERY

important intervention for us. I think it should be part of the

first round of blood testing for a child and treated very early on

in the process if necessary.

Anne

>

> Boy can I empathize with the no eating/ not eating anything but a

few things. By the time our girl was 3, you could literally see her

ribs and I (original Mother Earth who preached to everyone not to

feed junk to children) found myself feeding her ice cream for

breakfast just to get something in her after she picked at her food.

>

> Here are a few things that helped us: Zinc helped a little, made

her eat a little more but did not expand her food choices, certain

probiotics made her more hungry and the VS also made her hungrier

while we gave it. I think Anita also found the VS allowed her to

expand her boy's food choices.

>

> But our problem was not solved until we had her thyroid checked

and started giving her the Armour. Just 1 and 1/2 Armour in the

morning and she will eat anything, will even ask for broccoli or

cheese or anything because she is so hungry. And this lasts all day.

>

> For her, the not hungry thing was related to her slow metabolism

from not having enough thyroid hormone. Have you had his thyroid

checked? Or taken his temperature throughout the day to see if his

body temps are normal?

>

> I hope you find the answer to this, was very upsetting to us.

>

> [ ] Need brainstorming help - picky eater

>

> Hi listmates

>

> I'd appreciate some input from those of you who have sucessfully

> helped your child move away from a very self-limited diet.

>

> Here's the situation:

>

> my son has almost always been a very picky eater. However, he

seems

> to go through cycles where even old standbys are rejected -

eight

> months ago his food strike scared us enough to abandon GFCF

because he

> stopped eating anything but two fruits. It appears that we are

again

> losing menu items, though things are not quite so bad (yet). It

is

> obvious that he is hungry, but he can't seem to bring himself to

eat

> most foods. It's like he's waiting for food from another galaxy

to be

> beamed onto his plate. Sometimes he will touch the food, or rub

it on

> his cheek, or even put it to his mouth, but can't seem to eat.

> (Cookies being the great exception to this rule... since I won't

let

> him live on cookies this is a big problem.)

>

> We are using OTC antifungals, good probiotics, tons of enzymes,

and

> all of the supplements recommended by Andy for chelation, plus

others

> specific to our situation. We have done 14 rounds of chelation,

> Cutler protocol. We have not done a viral protocol. GFCF only

> narrowed the choices of foods available for him to reject, it

didn't

> seem to help gut/food issues. He mostly avoids the foods that

were

> implicated on his IgG.

>

> Has anyone seen a big jump in their child's menu choices after

doing a

> viral protocol? The fact that this seems somewhat cyclic, and

that we

> often have more of these problems after an illness makes me

think that

> this is viral for us. If you did see gains, which antivirals

were you

> using?

>

> Is this something that tends to resolve after a certain point in

> chelation? About how many rounds in might it take?

>

> Of course, I may need to just try harder to work on the usual

gut

> issues. Fair warning: if someone suggests going back to GFCF,

trying

> SCD, LOD, BED, GAP, etc., I will be cranky and probably mutter

bad

> words at my monitor. :-) I'll still be polite online, though,

> because you are nice people after all.

>

> thank you

> René

>

June 16, 2006

I agree, I dreaded dealing with this issue, but I would have to put the

improvements we got right up in the top 5, for figuring out the thyroid issues.

Turns out the thyroid is responsible for keeping the body at the right

temperature to absorb nutrients and for effective digestion and elimination and

most importantly, for immune health. Low immunity is a symptom of a

dysfunctional thyroid.

Also agree, that the thyroid should be checked out early, but the problem is

none of the drs I have talked to, save for one, really knew what to do about it,

scary.

[ ] Need brainstorming help - picky eater

>

> Hi listmates

>

> I'd appreciate some input from those of you who have sucessfully

> helped your child move away from a very self-limited diet.

>

> Here's the situation:

>

> my son has almost always been a very picky eater. However, he

seems

> to go through cycles where even old standbys are rejected -

eight

> months ago his food strike scared us enough to abandon GFCF

because he

> stopped eating anything but two fruits. It appears that we are

again

> losing menu items, though things are not quite so bad (yet). It

is

> obvious that he is hungry, but he can't seem to bring himself to

eat

> most foods. It's like he's waiting for food from another galaxy

to be

> beamed onto his plate. Sometimes he will touch the food, or rub

it on

> his cheek, or even put it to his mouth, but can't seem to eat.

> (Cookies being the great exception to this rule... since I won't

let

> him live on cookies this is a big problem.)

>

> We are using OTC antifungals, good probiotics, tons of enzymes,

and

> all of the supplements recommended by Andy for chelation, plus

others

> specific to our situation. We have done 14 rounds of chelation,

> Cutler protocol. We have not done a viral protocol. GFCF only

> narrowed the choices of foods available for him to reject, it

didn't

> seem to help gut/food issues. He mostly avoids the foods that

were

> implicated on his IgG.

>

> Has anyone seen a big jump in their child's menu choices after

doing a

> viral protocol? The fact that this seems somewhat cyclic, and

that we

> often have more of these problems after an illness makes me

think that

> this is viral for us. If you did see gains, which antivirals

were you

> using?

>

> Is this something that tends to resolve after a certain point in

> chelation? About how many rounds in might it take?

>

> Of course, I may need to just try harder to work on the usual

gut

> issues. Fair warning: if someone suggests going back to GFCF,

trying

> SCD, LOD, BED, GAP, etc., I will be cranky and probably mutter

bad

> words at my monitor. :-) I'll still be polite online, though,

> because you are nice people after all.

>

> thank you

> René

>

June 16, 2006

>

> I agree, I dreaded dealing with this issue, but I would have to put

the improvements we got right up in the top 5, for figuring out the

thyroid issues.

I've been tuning out these thyroid discussions, having had that

checked out back in 2003, but now you woke me up and I went back and

checked n's numbers. Sorry to drag you through this again, but T3

is supposed to be in the upper quandrant? So a T3 Uptake of 28.4 with

a ref range of 27.8 - 40.7 would, uh, suck?

Also, I went through the Na/K ratios, and mine are lowish (under 2)

but I'm hypothyroid. Not sure what to make of that. Is it an indicator

that requires another part I've forgotten about?

Nell

June 16, 2006

Nell, a T3 uptake really doesn't mean anything, Andy says it is a number derived

from two other meaningless numbers.

Do you have his TSH, sometimes you can tell by that, or just take his temps an

hour after he gets up and every 3 hours afterward until he goes to bed. His

temperatures should be close to 98.6, until about 1-4 pm during which time they

should peak close to 99.0, then after return to around 98.6 and stay there until

close to bedtime where they should be the lowest of the day at 98.0, or around.

That is what I was told from someone I thought knew what they were talking

about, and yes, with the correct amount of Armour, that is what her temperatures

are.

There are indicators on the hair test, but they can, I think be either high or

low and there are thyroid problems.

Re: [ ]Rene/was: Need brainstorming help - picky eater

>

> I agree, I dreaded dealing with this issue, but I would have to put

the improvements we got right up in the top 5, for figuring out the

thyroid issues.

I've been tuning out these thyroid discussions, having had that

checked out back in 2003, but now you woke me up and I went back and

checked n's numbers. Sorry to drag you through this again, but T3

is supposed to be in the upper quandrant? So a T3 Uptake of 28.4 with

a ref range of 27.8 - 40.7 would, uh, suck?

Also, I went through the Na/K ratios, and mine are lowish (under 2)

but I'm hypothyroid. Not sure what to make of that. Is it an indicator

that requires another part I've forgotten about?

Nell

June 16, 2006

Has he seen a pediatric GI doc? Were I in your shoes, that would be

my next step. There is an excellent GI group on groups. All the

famous DAN! GI docs are there. Look up

thoughtfulhousecenterforchildren

>

> Boy can I empathize with the no eating/ not eating anything but a

few things. By the time our girl was 3, you could literally see her

ribs and I (original Mother Earth who preached to everyone not to feed

junk to children) found myself feeding her ice cream for breakfast

just to get something in her after she picked at her food.

>

> Here are a few things that helped us: Zinc helped a little, made

her eat a little more but did not expand her food choices, certain

probiotics made her more hungry and the VS also made her hungrier

while we gave it. I think Anita also found the VS allowed her to

expand her boy's food choices.

>

> But our problem was not solved until we had her thyroid checked and

started giving her the Armour. Just 1 and 1/2 Armour in the morning

and she will eat anything, will even ask for broccoli or cheese or

anything because she is so hungry. And this lasts all day.

>

> For her, the not hungry thing was related to her slow metabolism

from not having enough thyroid hormone. Have you had his thyroid

checked? Or taken his temperature throughout the day to see if his

body temps are normal?

>

> I hope you find the answer to this, was very upsetting to us.

>

> [ ] Need brainstorming help - picky eater

>

> Hi listmates

>

> I'd appreciate some input from those of you who have sucessfully

> helped your child move away from a very self-limited diet.

>

> Here's the situation:

>

> my son has almost always been a very picky eater. However, he seems

> to go through cycles where even old standbys are rejected - eight

> months ago his food strike scared us enough to abandon GFCF

because he

> stopped eating anything but two fruits. It appears that we are again

> losing menu items, though things are not quite so bad (yet). It is

> obvious that he is hungry, but he can't seem to bring himself to eat

> most foods. It's like he's waiting for food from another galaxy to be

> beamed onto his plate. Sometimes he will touch the food, or rub it on

> his cheek, or even put it to his mouth, but can't seem to eat.

> (Cookies being the great exception to this rule... since I won't let

> him live on cookies this is a big problem.)

>

> We are using OTC antifungals, good probiotics, tons of enzymes, and

> all of the supplements recommended by Andy for chelation, plus others

> specific to our situation. We have done 14 rounds of chelation,

> Cutler protocol. We have not done a viral protocol. GFCF only

> narrowed the choices of foods available for him to reject, it didn't

> seem to help gut/food issues. He mostly avoids the foods that were

> implicated on his IgG.

>

> Has anyone seen a big jump in their child's menu choices after

doing a

> viral protocol? The fact that this seems somewhat cyclic, and that we

> often have more of these problems after an illness makes me think

that

> this is viral for us. If you did see gains, which antivirals were you

> using?

>

> Is this something that tends to resolve after a certain point in

> chelation? About how many rounds in might it take?

>

> Of course, I may need to just try harder to work on the usual gut

> issues. Fair warning: if someone suggests going back to GFCF, trying

> SCD, LOD, BED, GAP, etc., I will be cranky and probably mutter bad

> words at my monitor. :-) I'll still be polite online, though,

> because you are nice people after all.

>

> thank you

> Renï¿½

>

June 16, 2006

Sorry, not trying to be rude, but that would be the reason I would stay away

from the place, that is, all the famous Dans! are there.

Has he seen a pediatric GI doc? Were I in your shoes, that would be

my next step. There is an excellent GI group on groups. All the

famous DAN! GI docs are there. Look up

thoughtfulhousecenterforchildren

>

> Boy can I empathize with the no eating/ not eating anything but a

few things. By the time our girl was 3, you could literally see her

ribs and I (original Mother Earth who preached to everyone not to feed

junk to children) found myself feeding her ice cream for breakfast

just to get something in her after she picked at her food.

>

> Here are a few things that helped us: Zinc helped a little, made

her eat a little more but did not expand her food choices, certain

probiotics made her more hungry and the VS also made her hungrier

while we gave it. I think Anita also found the VS allowed her to

expand her boy's food choices.

>

> But our problem was not solved until we had her thyroid checked and

started giving her the Armour. Just 1 and 1/2 Armour in the morning

and she will eat anything, will even ask for broccoli or cheese or

anything because she is so hungry. And this lasts all day.

>

> For her, the not hungry thing was related to her slow metabolism

from not having enough thyroid hormone. Have you had his thyroid

checked? Or taken his temperature throughout the day to see if his

body temps are normal?

>

> I hope you find the answer to this, was very upsetting to us.

>

> [ ] Need brainstorming help - picky eater

>

> Hi listmates

>

> I'd appreciate some input from those of you who have sucessfully

> helped your child move away from a very self-limited diet.

>

> Here's the situation:

>

> my son has almost always been a very picky eater. However, he seems

> to go through cycles where even old standbys are rejected - eight

> months ago his food strike scared us enough to abandon GFCF

because he

> stopped eating anything but two fruits. It appears that we are again

> losing menu items, though things are not quite so bad (yet). It is

> obvious that he is hungry, but he can't seem to bring himself to eat

> most foods. It's like he's waiting for food from another galaxy to be

> beamed onto his plate. Sometimes he will touch the food, or rub it on

> his cheek, or even put it to his mouth, but can't seem to eat.

> (Cookies being the great exception to this rule... since I won't let

> him live on cookies this is a big problem.)

>

> We are using OTC antifungals, good probiotics, tons of enzymes, and

> all of the supplements recommended by Andy for chelation, plus others

> specific to our situation. We have done 14 rounds of chelation,

> Cutler protocol. We have not done a viral protocol. GFCF only

> narrowed the choices of foods available for him to reject, it didn't

> seem to help gut/food issues. He mostly avoids the foods that were

> implicated on his IgG.

>

> Has anyone seen a big jump in their child's menu choices after

doing a

> viral protocol? The fact that this seems somewhat cyclic, and that we

> often have more of these problems after an illness makes me think

that

> this is viral for us. If you did see gains, which antivirals were you

> using?

>

> Is this something that tends to resolve after a certain point in

> chelation? About how many rounds in might it take?

>

> Of course, I may need to just try harder to work on the usual gut

> issues. Fair warning: if someone suggests going back to GFCF, trying

> SCD, LOD, BED, GAP, etc., I will be cranky and probably mutter bad

> words at my monitor. :-) I'll still be polite online, though,

> because you are nice people after all.

>

> thank you

> Renï¿½

>

June 16, 2006

My impression of the DAN GI docs is that they do some very good work

that the mainstream won't touch. Am I wrong? Still prefer to stay

away from the GI Docs if possible, but if I had to go to a GI Doc, I

would definitely consider the DAN ones. Am I crazy?

Anne

> >

> > Boy can I empathize with the no eating/ not eating anything

but a

> few things. By the time our girl was 3, you could literally see

her

> ribs and I (original Mother Earth who preached to everyone not

to feed

> junk to children) found myself feeding her ice cream for

breakfast

> just to get something in her after she picked at her food.

> >

> > Here are a few things that helped us: Zinc helped a little,

made

> her eat a little more but did not expand her food choices,

certain

> probiotics made her more hungry and the VS also made her hungrier

> while we gave it. I think Anita also found the VS allowed her to

> expand her boy's food choices.

> >

> > But our problem was not solved until we had her thyroid

checked and

> started giving her the Armour. Just 1 and 1/2 Armour in the

morning

> and she will eat anything, will even ask for broccoli or cheese

or

> anything because she is so hungry. And this lasts all day.

> >

> > For her, the not hungry thing was related to her slow

metabolism

> from not having enough thyroid hormone. Have you had his thyroid

> checked? Or taken his temperature throughout the day to see if

his

> body temps are normal?

> >

> > I hope you find the answer to this, was very upsetting to us.

> >

> > [ ] Need brainstorming help - picky eater

> >

> > Hi listmates

> >

> > I'd appreciate some input from those of you who have

sucessfully

> > helped your child move away from a very self-limited diet.

> >

> > Here's the situation:

> >

> > my son has almost always been a very picky eater. However, he

seems

> > to go through cycles where even old standbys are rejected -

eight

> > months ago his food strike scared us enough to abandon GFCF

> because he

> > stopped eating anything but two fruits. It appears that we are

again

> > losing menu items, though things are not quite so bad (yet).

It is

> > obvious that he is hungry, but he can't seem to bring himself

to eat

> > most foods. It's like he's waiting for food from another

galaxy to be

> > beamed onto his plate. Sometimes he will touch the food, or

rub it on

> > his cheek, or even put it to his mouth, but can't seem to eat.

> > (Cookies being the great exception to this rule... since I

won't let

> > him live on cookies this is a big problem.)

> >

> > We are using OTC antifungals, good probiotics, tons of

enzymes, and

> > all of the supplements recommended by Andy for chelation, plus

others

> > specific to our situation. We have done 14 rounds of

chelation,

> > Cutler protocol. We have not done a viral protocol. GFCF only

> > narrowed the choices of foods available for him to reject, it

didn't

> > seem to help gut/food issues. He mostly avoids the foods that

were

> > implicated on his IgG.

> >

> > Has anyone seen a big jump in their child's menu choices after

> doing a

> > viral protocol? The fact that this seems somewhat cyclic, and

that we

> > often have more of these problems after an illness makes me

think

> that

> > this is viral for us. If you did see gains, which antivirals

were you

> > using?

> >

> > Is this something that tends to resolve after a certain point

in

> > chelation? About how many rounds in might it take?

> >

> > Of course, I may need to just try harder to work on the usual

gut

> > issues. Fair warning: if someone suggests going back to GFCF,

trying

> > SCD, LOD, BED, GAP, etc., I will be cranky and probably mutter

bad

> > words at my monitor. :-) I'll still be polite online, though,

> > because you are nice people after all.

> >

> > thank you

> > Renï¿½

> >

June 16, 2006

No, you could be quite right. This is good to know, thanks for the heads up.

[ ] Need brainstorming help - picky eater

> >

> > Hi listmates

> >

> > I'd appreciate some input from those of you who have

sucessfully

> > helped your child move away from a very self-limited diet.

> >

> > Here's the situation:

> >

> > my son has almost always been a very picky eater. However, he

seems

> > to go through cycles where even old standbys are rejected -

eight

> > months ago his food strike scared us enough to abandon GFCF

> because he

> > stopped eating anything but two fruits. It appears that we are

again

> > losing menu items, though things are not quite so bad (yet).

It is

> > obvious that he is hungry, but he can't seem to bring himself

to eat

> > most foods. It's like he's waiting for food from another

galaxy to be

> > beamed onto his plate. Sometimes he will touch the food, or

rub it on

> > his cheek, or even put it to his mouth, but can't seem to eat.

> > (Cookies being the great exception to this rule... since I

won't let

> > him live on cookies this is a big problem.)

> >

> > We are using OTC antifungals, good probiotics, tons of

enzymes, and

> > all of the supplements recommended by Andy for chelation, plus

others

> > specific to our situation. We have done 14 rounds of

chelation,

> > Cutler protocol. We have not done a viral protocol. GFCF only

> > narrowed the choices of foods available for him to reject, it

didn't

> > seem to help gut/food issues. He mostly avoids the foods that

were

> > implicated on his IgG.

> >

> > Has anyone seen a big jump in their child's menu choices after

> doing a

> > viral protocol? The fact that this seems somewhat cyclic, and

that we

> > often have more of these problems after an illness makes me

think

> that

> > this is viral for us. If you did see gains, which antivirals

were you

> > using?

> >

> > Is this something that tends to resolve after a certain point

in

> > chelation? About how many rounds in might it take?

> >

> > Of course, I may need to just try harder to work on the usual

gut

> > issues. Fair warning: if someone suggests going back to GFCF,

trying

> > SCD, LOD, BED, GAP, etc., I will be cranky and probably mutter

bad

> > words at my monitor. :-) I'll still be polite online, though,

> > because you are nice people after all.

> >

> > thank you

> > Renï¿½

> >

June 16, 2006

>

> Nell, a T3 uptake really doesn't mean anything, Andy says it is a

number derived from two other meaningless numbers.

>

> Do you have his TSH, sometimes you can tell by that, or just take

his temps an hour after he gets up and every 3 hours afterward until

he goes to bed. His temperatures should be close to 98.6, until about

1-4 pm during which time they should peak close to 99.0, then after

return to around 98.6 and stay there until close to bedtime where they

should be the lowest of the day at 98.0, or around.

OK, I'll try this tomorrow. Thanks .

Nell

June 16, 2006

>

> Sorry, not trying to be rude, but that would be the reason I would

stay away from the place, that is, all the famous Dans! are there.

Not the bad famous DANs, the great ones, lol! Wakefield, hero of

heroes, is at Thoughtful House...

Nell

June 17, 2006

Thanks again, everyone, for your help. No, Nell, I won't hurt you

for mentioning LOD! Quite interesting to hear that it's helping

address this problem for some people.

Well. Thyroid, huh? My guy's most recent hair test does have the

markers for thyroid issues, so we are about to try to get Free T3 and

Free T4 tested - no mean feat, as our doctor's not actually allowed

to order it for kids without wonky TSH. He's going to try to sneak

it through for us. I love this guy! Now, how often do you hear that

on Autism Mercury?

Thanks, , for the straw suggestion. Smoothies have never worked

for us before, but now that he can use a straw it may be worth a

try.

I actually considered going to Thoughtful House last year. I do

think that would be a good place to get some answers. Unfortunately,

we would have to travel from Canada and are um, squeaking by,

moneywise. Sigh. No fancy-schmantzy DAN! doctors for us.

Again, a heartfelt thanks to you, wise ones.

René

June 17, 2006

ps. Tomorrow is my boy's 4th birthday. I'm making a chocolate cake

shaped like a school bus (his favourite part of school, lol) and

homemade ice cream. Normally he doesn't get these things and

sometimes he won't take them when he can, so wish me luck! I really

want him to have a fun day.

René

June 17, 2006

Take a picture of the cake and post it in the photos section! We can

all " oooh and ahhh " at your talent...

Pam

>

> ps. Tomorrow is my boy's 4th birthday. I'm making a chocolate cake

> shaped like a school bus (his favourite part of school, lol) and

> homemade ice cream. Normally he doesn't get these things and

> sometimes he won't take them when he can, so wish me luck! I really

> want him to have a fun day.

>

> René

>

June 26, 2006

Have you tried digestive enzymes?

S S

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From: joshisims