/was: Re: strange behaviors lately - links to DMSA chelation?

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Hi , and other, pls feel free to jump in if you can help out here:-)

, thanks for your response.

We are using TD DMSA, 46 mg per dose, 4 hr dosing schedule, every weekend,

2.5-3 day rounds; 5th round done last weekend, and my son is 4 years 4 months

old. Here is our long list of supplements, discontinued all of them 3 days ago

and now reintroducing things one at a time.

The behaviors were, however, present before the break in supplementation.

These supps included:

1. Kirkman's Children's Multi-vitamin 2 caps (1 serving) divided into two

doses per day, am and pm, mix of the basics:

Vitamin A (20% as beta carotene) 2500 IU 100% DV

Vitamin D-3 20 IU 50% DV

Vitamin E (dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate) 60 IU 200% DV

Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) 120 mg 200% DV

Vitamin B-1 (Thiamine Hydrochloride) 3mg 200% DV

Vitamin B-2 (as Riboflavin phosphate coenzyme) 3.4 mg 200% DV

Niacinamide 20 mg 100% DV

Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCI) 4 mg 200% DV

Pantothenic acid (d-calcium pantothenate)

Folic Acid 400 mcg 100% DV

Vitamin B-12 12 mcg 200% DV

Biotin 60 mcg 20% DV

Calcium (carbonate/citrate) 100 mg 10% DV

Iodine (potassium iodide) 150 mcg 100% DV

Magnesium (oxide/glycinate) 40 mg 10%

Zinc (citrate) 15 mg 100% DV

Selenium (amino acid chelate) 25 mcg 35% DV

Manganese (citrate) 2.7 mg 100% DV

Chromium (Piccolinate) 25 mcg 20% DV

Molybdenum (amino acid chelate) 25 mcg 33% DV

Co-Enzyme Q10 10 mg

Other supplements:

2. Zinc - 40 mg, in two doses in addition to the above multivitamin, at

different times (last one at bed time) (hard to manage b/c of calcium dosing

issues)

3. Calcium and Magnesium Caps (incl. 500 mg Ca, as calcium carbonate, amino

acid chelate and 250 mg of Mg as magnesium oxide and magnesium amino acid

chelate, and Glutamic acid 50 mg), in two doses, separate from when the

multi-vitamin is given or when the zinc is given (*hardest to manage*)

4. Kirkman's B-Complex with Coenzymes Pro-Support, full dose, given in 3-

doses throughout the day

Thiamine Mononitrate 30 mg 2000% DV

Riboflavin (Phosphate) 30 mg 1764% DV

Niacinamide 20 mg 100% DV

Vitamin B-12 125 mcg 2083% DV

Panothenic Acid 10 mg 100% DV

Folic Acid 200 mcg 50% DV

Biotin 300 mcg 100% DV

P-5-P 35 mg

Choline Citrate 150 mg

5. Kirkman's Buffered Vitamin C - discontinued about 6 weeks ago because

tested sensitive to vitamin C in general with NAET. He is bruising now, I know

he needs it and will put this back in after his treatment next week.

6. Nordic Naturals Arctic Cod Liver Oil - 2 tsp per day in two doses

7. Unique Natural Vitamin E - 1 capsule per day, 400 IU

8. Selenium - 40 mcg in two additional doses apart from when the multi is

given

9. Molybdenum - 150 mcg per day divided in 2-3 doses

10. Biotin - 3000 mcg per day in 3 or 4 doses throughout the day

11. Grape Seed Extract - one tablet a day

12. Milk Thistle - 175 mgs divided in three doses

13. Grapefruit Seed Extract - 5 drops a dose, 2 times a day, more during

chelation as needed

14. Candidase - 2-3 caps a day, given together with Virastop

15. Virastop - 4-6 caps a day, given together with Candidase

16. Udo's Choice Super-8 multi-strain (8-strain) probiotic (30 billion per

caps) 2-3 times a day, away from GSE or enzyme products

17. Houston's three digestive enzymes - at full dose now, with 1/2 all meals

(he is not getting these, or any other supps during the day while in school

between the hours of 9 am through 3 pm. School will start giving it to him

consistently beginning Monday)

18. Magnesium - given when constipation is an issue, not too regularly, as it

is included in his Calcium supplement. This magnesium supplement is in the form

of magnesium oxide, aspartate, citrate, apha-ketoglutarate, taurinate.

19. Claritin, dye free liquid, 2 tsp per day in two doses

20. Melatonin - time release, 3 mg, 1 hr prior to bedtime

21. Transfer factor - 2 caps per day, divided in 3-4 doses

I think this is my list!!!!

Right now, Ev is taling the Claritin, his digestive enzymes, his multivitamin

in two doses, and melatonin at bedtime.

Tomorrow, he is going to start taking Zinc again. Next would probably be

Calcium and Mg.

What do you think?????

TIA,

Also, another behavior he has is stimming on fingers/counting out his fingers

obsessively. I thought this was viral for him as he began doing this after an

accidental viral protocol. I never knew if he really cleared that virus as I had

to discontinue the viral protocol cause Ev could not poop, began to have pink

eye and I just could not figure out what was going on with him!!!

Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> wrote:

What dose, route, and dosing schedule are you using? What supplements?

S S

I was wondering if anyone had any thooughts on the following.

Lately, over the past 2 months or so I have been seeing some new behaviors in

Evan, not bad, but they are concerned especially in school because he allegedly

is constantly engaging in these. I don't see it at home as much, and really

don't recall some of them existing at all until about 2 months ago. This does

seem to coincide with our DMSA start date. Anyhow, here's what I have been

seeing and what I think of them:

1. chin-pushing - asked about this before; zinc deficiency? will start

supplementing with this over the weekend again, as I am slowly reintroducing

each supplement this week. - not brand new behavior, about 2 months maybe, but

occurring daily

2. occassional eye-pushing. Will especially do this in darker or very bright

places; sunglasses or my husband's glasses will alleviate this issue!!!!!! we

are going to see an vision specialist next week! - not brand new behavior, seems

to come and go

3. spitting/raspberries play - yeast, right? ongoing behavior

4. clearning of throat - some days constantly - could be yeast? or some

allergies? actully have gotten much better over the past 2-3 days since ouor

allergy treatments through NAET

5. sitting in chairs - seeing sensory input in rear area. occassional

touching/pushing the groin area, not genitals - very new behavior - 3-4 weeks,

more intense over the past 2 weeks

6. squeezing into pillows, rubbing body into pillows - this is not new behavior

These are the most pronounced ones - I appreciate any input on these. Could they

be chelation related? any other deficiency?

Thanks in advance!!

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Is the NAET practitioner going to treat for vitamin C or just test for it?

S S

<p>Hi , and other, pls feel free to jump in if you can help out

here:-)<br>

<br>

, thanks for your response. <br>

<br>

We are using TD DMSA, 46 mg per dose, 4 hr dosing schedule, every weekend,

2.5-3 day rounds; 5th round done last weekend, and my son is 4 years 4 months

old. Here is our long list of supplements, discontinued all of them 3 days ago

and now reintroducing things one at a time. <br>

<br>

The behaviors were, however, present before the break in supplementation.

These supps included:<br>

<br>

1. Kirkman's Children's Multi-vitamin 2 caps (1 serving) divided into two

doses per day, am and pm, mix of the basics:<br>

<br>

Vitamin A (20% as beta carotene) 2500 IU 100% DV<br>

Vitamin D-3 20 IU 50% DV<br>

Vitamin E (dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate) 60 IU 200% DV<br>

Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) 120 mg 200% DV<br>

Vitamin B-1 (Thiamine Hydrochloride) 3mg 200% DV<br>

Vitamin B-2 (as Riboflavin phosphate coenzyme) 3.4 mg 200% DV<br>

Niacinamide 20 mg 100% DV<br>

Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCI) 4 mg 200% DV<br>

Pantothenic acid (d-calcium pantothenate) <br>

Folic Acid 400 mcg 100% DV<br>

Vitamin B-12 12 mcg 200% DV<br>

Biotin 60 mcg 20% DV<br>

Calcium (carbonate/citrate) 100 mg 10% DV<br>

Iodine (potassium iodide) 150 mcg 100% DV<br>

Magnesium (oxide/glycinate) 40 mg 10%<br>

Zinc (citrate) 15 mg 100% DV<br>

Selenium (amino acid chelate) 25 mcg 35% DV<br>

Manganese (citrate) 2.7 mg 100% DV<br>

Chromium (Piccolinate) 25 mcg 20% DV<br>

Molybdenum (amino acid chelate) 25 mcg 33% DV<br>

Co-Enzyme Q10 10 mg<br>

<br>

Other supplements:<br>

<br>

2. Zinc - 40 mg, in two doses in addition to the above multivitamin, at

different times (last one at bed time) (hard to manage b/c of calcium dosing

issues)<br>

<br>

3. Calcium and Magnesium Caps (incl. 500 mg Ca, as calcium carbonate, amino

acid chelate and 250 mg of Mg as magnesium oxide and magnesium amino acid

chelate, and Glutamic acid 50 mg), in two doses, separate from when the

multi-vitamin is given or when the zinc is given (*hardest to manage*)<br>

<br>

4. Kirkman's B-Complex with Coenzymes Pro-Support, full dose, given in 3-

doses throughout the day<br>

<br>

Thiamine Mononitrate 30 mg 2000% DV<br>

Riboflavin (Phosphate) 30 mg 1764% DV<br>

Niacinamide 20 mg 100% DV<br>

Vitamin B-12 125 mcg 2083% DV<br>

Panothenic Acid 10 mg 100% DV<br>

Folic Acid 200 mcg 50% DV<br>

Biotin 300 mcg 100% DV <br>

P-5-P 35 mg <br>

Choline Citrate 150 mg<br>

<br>

5. Kirkman's Buffered Vitamin C - discontinued about 6 weeks ago because

tested sensitive to vitamin C in general with NAET. He is bruising now, I know

he needs it and will put this back in after his treatment next week. <br>

<br>

6. Nordic Naturals Arctic Cod Liver Oil - 2 tsp per day in two doses<br>

<br>

7. Unique Natural Vitamin E - 1 capsule per day, 400 IU<br>

<br>

8. Selenium - 40 mcg in two additional doses apart from when the multi is

given<br>

<br>

9. Molybdenum - 150 mcg per day divided in 2-3 doses<br>

<br>

10. Biotin - 3000 mcg per day in 3 or 4 doses throughout the day<br>

<br>

11. Grape Seed Extract - one tablet a day<br>

<br>

12. Milk Thistle - 175 mgs divided in three doses<br>

<br>

13. Grapefruit Seed Extract - 5 drops a dose, 2 times a day, more during

chelation as needed<br>

<br>

14. Candidase - 2-3 caps a day, given together with Virastop<br>

<br>

15. Virastop - 4-6 caps a day, given together with Candidase<br>

<br>

16. Udo's Choice Super-8 multi-strain (8-strain) probiotic (30 billion per

caps) 2-3 times a day, away from GSE or enzyme products<br>

<br>

17. Houston's three digestive enzymes - at full dose now, with 1/2 all meals

(he is not getting these, or any other supps during the day while in school

between the hours of 9 am through 3 pm. School will start giving it to him

consistently beginning Monday)<br>

<br>

18. Magnesium - given when constipation is an issue, not too regularly, as it

is included in his Calcium supplement. This magnesium supplement is in the form

of magnesium oxide, aspartate, citrate, apha-ketoglutarate, taurinate. <br>

<br>

19. Claritin, dye free liquid, 2 tsp per day in two doses<br>

<br>

20. Melatonin - time release, 3 mg, 1 hr prior to bedtime<br>

<br>

21. Transfer factor - 2 caps per day, divided in 3-4 doses<br>

<br>

<br>

I think this is my list!!!!<br>

<br>

Right now, Ev is taling the Claritin, his digestive enzymes, his multivitamin

in two doses, and melatonin at bedtime.<br>

<br>

Tomorrow, he is going to start taking Zinc again. Next would probably be

Calcium and Mg. <br>

<br>

What do you think?????<br>

<br>

TIA,<br>

<br>

<br>

Also, another behavior he has is stimming on fingers/counting out his fingers

obsessively. I thought this was viral for him as he began doing this after an

accidental viral protocol. I never knew if he really cleared that virus as I had

to discontinue the viral protocol cause Ev could not poop, began to have pink

eye and I just could not figure out what was going on with him!!!<br>

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she is going to treat for it, already tested. they are pretty good about

treatning all forms, but i will specifically also bring the one that I have so

she can treat for all of our supplements. this NAET thing, i can't say it

enough, is amazing. just after one treatment, for most of my son's supplements,

normalized my son's Bms, almost immediately!!!

Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...> wrote:

Is the NAET practitioner going to treat for vitamin C or just test for it?

S S

Hi , and other, pls feel free to jump in if you can help out here:-)

, thanks for your response.

We are using TD DMSA, 46 mg per dose, 4 hr dosing schedule, every weekend, 2.5-3

day rounds; 5th round done last weekend, and my son is 4 years 4 months old.

Here is our long list of supplements, discontinued all of them 3 days ago and

now reintroducing things one at a time.

The behaviors were, however, present before the break in supplementation. These

supps included:

1. Kirkman's Children's Multi-vitamin 2 caps (1 serving) divided into two doses

per day, am and pm, mix of the basics:

Vitamin A (20% as beta carotene) 2500 IU 100% DV

Vitamin D-3 20 IU 50% DV

Vitamin E (dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate) 60 IU 200% DV

Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid) 120 mg 200% DV

Vitamin B-1 (Thiamine Hydrochloride) 3mg 200% DV

Vitamin B-2 (as Riboflavin phosphate coenzyme) 3.4 mg 200% DV

Niacinamide 20 mg 100% DV

Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCI) 4 mg 200% DV

Pantothenic acid (d-calcium pantothenate)

Folic Acid 400 mcg 100% DV

Vitamin B-12 12 mcg 200% DV

Biotin 60 mcg 20% DV

Calcium (carbonate/citrate) 100 mg 10% DV

Iodine (potassium iodide) 150 mcg 100% DV

Magnesium (oxide/glycinate) 40 mg 10%

Zinc (citrate) 15 mg 100% DV

Selenium (amino acid chelate) 25 mcg 35% DV

Manganese (citrate) 2.7 mg 100% DV

Chromium (Piccolinate) 25 mcg 20% DV

Molybdenum (amino acid chelate) 25 mcg 33% DV

Co-Enzyme Q10 10 mg

Other supplements:

2. Zinc - 40 mg, in two doses in addition to the above multivitamin, at

different times (last one at bed time) (hard to manage b/c of calcium dosing

issues)

3. Calcium and Magnesium Caps (incl. 500 mg Ca, as calcium carbonate, amino acid

chelate and 250 mg of Mg as magnesium oxide and magnesium amino acid chelate,

and Glutamic acid 50 mg), in two doses, separate from when the multi-vitamin is

given or when the zinc is given (*hardest to manage*)

4. Kirkman's B-Complex with Coenzymes Pro-Support, full dose, given in 3- doses

throughout the day

Thiamine Mononitrate 30 mg 2000% DV

Riboflavin (Phosphate) 30 mg 1764% DV

Niacinamide 20 mg 100% DV

Vitamin B-12 125 mcg 2083% DV

Panothenic Acid 10 mg 100% DV

Folic Acid 200 mcg 50% DV

Biotin 300 mcg 100% DV

P-5-P 35 mg

Choline Citrate 150 mg

5. Kirkman's Buffered Vitamin C - discontinued about 6 weeks ago because tested

sensitive to vitamin C in general with NAET. He is bruising now, I know he needs

it and will put this back in after his treatment next week.

6. Nordic Naturals Arctic Cod Liver Oil - 2 tsp per day in two doses

7. Unique Natural Vitamin E - 1 capsule per day, 400 IU

8. Selenium - 40 mcg in two additional doses apart from when the multi is given

9. Molybdenum - 150 mcg per day divided in 2-3 doses

10. Biotin - 3000 mcg per day in 3 or 4 doses throughout the day

11. Grape Seed Extract - one tablet a day

12. Milk Thistle - 175 mgs divided in three doses

13. Grapefruit Seed Extract - 5 drops a dose, 2 times a day, more during

chelation as needed

14. Candidase - 2-3 caps a day, given together with Virastop

15. Virastop - 4-6 caps a day, given together with Candidase

16. Udo's Choice Super-8 multi-strain (8-strain) probiotic (30 billion per caps)

2-3 times a day, away from GSE or enzyme products

17. Houston's three digestive enzymes - at full dose now, with 1/2 all meals (he

is not getting these, or any other supps during the day while in school between

the hours of 9 am through 3 pm. School will start giving it to him consistently

beginning Monday)

18. Magnesium - given when constipation is an issue, not too regularly, as it is

included in his Calcium supplement. This magnesium supplement is in the form of

magnesium oxide, aspartate, citrate, apha-ketoglutarate, taurinate.

19. Claritin, dye free liquid, 2 tsp per day in two doses

20. Melatonin - time release, 3 mg, 1 hr prior to bedtime

21. Transfer factor - 2 caps per day, divided in 3-4 doses

I think this is my list!!!!

Right now, Ev is taling the Claritin, his digestive enzymes, his multivitamin in

two doses, and melatonin at bedtime.

Tomorrow, he is going to start taking Zinc again. Next would probably be Calcium

and Mg.

What do you think?????

TIA,

Also, another behavior he has is stimming on fingers/counting out his fingers

obsessively. I thought this was viral for him as he began doing this after an

accidental viral protocol. I never knew if he really cleared that virus as I had

to discontinue the viral protocol cause Ev could not poop, began to have pink

eye and I just could not figure out what was going on with him!!!

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Trish, it seems like one would apply it *after showering or swimming,

why *before? thanks for info. barb

>

> Hi Barb,

> I just posted this, but in case you missed it, I'll post again. I

> get my Magnesium Sulfate Cream from Kirkman's Lab. It comes in a 24

oz

> jar. It contains 100mg mag per gram It can be applied 3-4 xs/day. We

> apply it between the shoulder blades, although it really can be

> applied anywhere. We apply it before showers (when he doesn't get an

> Epsom Salt bath), before swimming