Re: /was: Moms who have tried Natural Cellular Defense

August 24, 2006

The bad news is this product is made of aluminum silicate. I saw a breakdown of

this product from a sample sent to Doctor's Data and it has lot of aluminum and

calcium, trace amounts of arsenic, barium, cadmium, nickel, sodium, lithium, and

a little boron, and not much else.

Mark Schauss, a researcher has said that the product's claim to cure cancer is

bogus and that there is some evidence that it may actually cause cancer. That

was the scariest thing for me.

There is no good evidence that this product chelates anything and in fact will

raise the aluminum level. Dr. Boyd Hayley has said this product does not chelate

mercury which is usually what we are trying to remove.

There are a lot of people who say their child improved on this, but could just

be due to the supplemental value.

Better to stick with something proven for chelating mercury, dmsa, ala or dmps.

I would hate to see people just starting out waste time with this product.

Good luck,

[ ] Moms who have tried Natural Cellular Defense

I'm thinking of trying this for my son Nasir. I am new to this group

and this is my first post. Nasir is 5 and starting Kindergarten next

week. I want to start NCD but not sure if it is worth the money. Any

suggestions or input. Moms could you give any examples of improvement

after trying it. Thanks!

August 24, 2006

I have to agree with , there is just not enough evidence out

there of how this stuff works or why or if...The company is vague on

that and I have not read any independent studies done on it yet.

Being high in aluminum alone is one reason I would avoid it. Many

kids are already toxic in aluminum from their vaccinations and

enviornment. Nickel is carcinogenic, cadmium is poison..worse than

mercury to try to chelate..barium is not good either. Hmm...

I know some have said there kids did well on this, but for us, I am

not comfortable giving it to my kids...just not enough science there

for me.

>

> The bad news is this product is made of aluminum silicate. I saw

a breakdown of this product from a sample sent to Doctor's Data and

it has lot of aluminum and calcium, trace amounts of arsenic,

barium, cadmium, nickel, sodium, lithium, and a little boron, and

not much else.

>

> Mark Schauss, a researcher has said that the product's claim to

cure cancer is bogus and that there is some evidence that it may

actually cause cancer. That was the scariest thing for me.

>

> There is no good evidence that this product chelates anything and

in fact will raise the aluminum level. Dr. Boyd Hayley has said this

product does not chelate mercury which is usually what we are trying

to remove.

>

> There are a lot of people who say their child improved on this,

but could just be due to the supplemental value.

>

> Better to stick with something proven for chelating mercury, dmsa,

ala or dmps. I would hate to see people just starting out waste time

with this product.

>

> Good luck,

>

> [ ] Moms who have tried Natural Cellular

Defense

>

> I'm thinking of trying this for my son Nasir. I am new to this

group

> and this is my first post. Nasir is 5 and starting Kindergarten

Any

> suggestions or input. Moms could you give any examples of

improvement

> after trying it. Thanks!

>

August 24, 2006

Go to AutismNCD list for more information and people with more

experience.

August 25, 2006

In a message dated 8/24/2006 9:13:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Ladyshrink111@... writes:

There are a lot of people who say their child improved on this, but could

just be due to the supplemental value.

I gave this product a good fair test and found that it has worked better

then anything we have ever tried and we have eliminated the supplements, so it

is 100% NCD that is improving our child. I have heard more great stories from

NCD users then from any of the other chelation therapies.

I think the facts in this debated article are not all true. Just like with

any product, somebody will make a claim against it. This one must have been

connected politically somehow as they are the responsible parties here.

August 25, 2006

In a message dated 25/08/2006 16:35:55 GMT Daylight Time,

jromkema@... writes:

REALLY want to know what's what here! I especially want to know about the

claims that this stuff CAUSES cancer. Hey, I'm taking it to and I need to be

around as long as possible for my son!

Oh, and I am NOT hearing a lot from parents about their kids improving. Why

would this receive a nontoxic rating from the FDA if it was cancer-causing?

>>The results are in the files at the NCD list. We wont; be stopping using

it after the gains we have seen

Mandi x

August 25, 2006

> The bad news is this product is made of aluminum silicate. I saw a

breakdown of this product from a sample sent to Doctor's Data and it

has lot of aluminum and calcium, trace amounts of arsenic, barium,

cadmium, nickel, sodium, lithium, and a little boron, and not much

else.

,

Do you know where that Docotr's Data report is. I'd love to see it.

The NP we took our daughter to said she reccomends it. I was not

interested and told her we'd be using Andy's protocol. But it really

bother's me that she is suggesting it to others who will take her word

for it. I'd like to show her the report. Thanks

August 25, 2006

Hi ,

I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to disperse it, but will ask, to be sure.

Re: [ ]/was: Moms who have tried Natural Cellular

Defense

> The bad news is this product is made of aluminum silicate. I saw a

breakdown of this product from a sample sent to Doctor's Data and it

has lot of aluminum and calcium, trace amounts of arsenic, barium,

cadmium, nickel, sodium, lithium, and a little boron, and not much

else.

,

Do you know where that Docotr's Data report is. I'd love to see it.

The NP we took our daughter to said she reccomends it. I was not

interested and told her we'd be using Andy's protocol. But it really

bother's me that she is suggesting it to others who will take her word

for it. I'd like to show her the report. Thanks

August 25, 2006

In a message dated 25/08/2006 17:50:18 GMT Daylight Time,

schauss@... writes:

When I saw the mineral analysis of the product, it looked pretty darned

devoid of much of anything. A little calcium, aluminum, some other trace

minerals in extremely low doses as well as very low doses of heavy metals

but nothing substantial worth the money.

>>>Have to say that in terms of speed of gains, its the best money ever I

spent

Thats after 108 rounds of AC protocol and 9 months of buttar DMPS and nearly

7 year of biomed.........................

Mandi in UK

August 25, 2006

In a message dated 25/08/2006 17:05:39 GMT Daylight Time,

jromkema@... writes:

Are you talking about the testimonials? I read all of those. Are there

specific stories about autie kids that I missed?

I'm super glad, of course, that you are seeing great results. Fill me in,

please! I hope this IS all that it says it is. But I don't want to get cancer

down the road, so I think that worry needs to be addressed, and I AM worried

about the supposed bogus degrees this guy has.

>>>No I am talking about the analysis from Dr Usman - thats in the files at

NCD group.

You get cancer from INHALING a completely different type of Zeolite.

Coming from a family line where all females over 50 have had or have died

from cancer, I am taking it in the hope it may be preventative. We shall see if

my Dysplastic polyp comes back and measure the size if so.

I have absolutely no worries about NCD at all but that doesn;t mean its

safe. It means my kid is improving faster than with any other intervention so

far. We will still do rounds of DMSA/ALA, probably once per month.

Mandi x

August 25, 2006

In a message dated 25/08/2006 19:29:25 GMT Daylight Time,

Ladyshrink111@... writes:

I'm wondering if the improvements aren't by the kids who started out with

and still have significant gut issues. The blog states that the zeolites might

influence transit time of food through the gut, altering fecal flora and/or

working on the lymphoid tissue of the gut.

>>>Sam gut issues were sorted by HNI enzymes. My gut instinct is that its

working on viruses with Sam

Mandi in UK

August 25, 2006

I REALLY want to know what's what here! I especially want to know about the

claims that this stuff CAUSES cancer. Hey, I'm taking it to and I need to be

around as long as possible for my son!

Oh, and I am NOT hearing a lot from parents about their kids improving. Why

would this receive a nontoxic rating from the FDA if it was cancer-causing?

C'mon y'all, we need truth here, not shaded comments affected by money! We get

enough of that about the thimerosal!!!

Barb

Re: [ ]/was: Moms who have tried Natural Cellular

Defense

> The bad news is this product is made of aluminum silicate. I saw a

breakdown of this product from a sample sent to Doctor's Data and it

has lot of aluminum and calcium, trace amounts of arsenic, barium,

cadmium, nickel, sodium, lithium, and a little boron, and not much

else.

,

Do you know where that Docotr's Data report is. I'd love to see it.

The NP we took our daughter to said she reccomends it. I was not

interested and told her we'd be using Andy's protocol. But it really

bother's me that she is suggesting it to others who will take her word

for it. I'd like to show her the report. Thanks

August 25, 2006

Barb,

Here's a good article that if you read it carefully could explain why people

have seen improvement with NCD and it also mentions the connection with cancer.

I have the DD's report on the breakdown of NCD, awaiting permission to post it.

Like all new products we use in our field, it takes some time for all the

information to come out and is the main reason why I shy away from things that

are too new, but that's just me.

Mark Schauss looked into this and found that it was made of aluminum silicate

and that there was some proof that it not only did not cure cancer, but may be

associated with cancer. I don't think anyone could say his comments are affected

by money. So is not just this blog. I have also seen people post metal pulls

with NCD and the aluminum in them is high, although it is said the aluminum does

not get absorbed, so again, not clear.

Another interesting thing about the blog in this article is that it doesn't slam

everything that is alternative, only certain things.

But here's the link to the article.

http://www.pathguy.com/altermed.htm#zeolite

Re: [ ]/was: Moms who have tried Natural Cellular

Defense

> The bad news is this product is made of aluminum silicate. I saw a

breakdown of this product from a sample sent to Doctor's Data and it

has lot of aluminum and calcium, trace amounts of arsenic, barium,

cadmium, nickel, sodium, lithium, and a little boron, and not much

else.

,

Do you know where that Docotr's Data report is. I'd love to see it.

The NP we took our daughter to said she reccomends it. I was not

interested and told her we'd be using Andy's protocol. But it really

bother's me that she is suggesting it to others who will take her word

for it. I'd like to show her the report. Thanks

August 25, 2006

Hey Mandi,

Are you talking about the testimonials? I read all of those. Are there

specific stories about autie kids that I missed?

I'm super glad, of course, that you are seeing great results. Fill me in,

please! I hope this IS all that it says it is. But I don't want to get cancer

down the road, so I think that worry needs to be addressed, and I AM worried

about the supposed bogus degrees this guy has.

We, who fight so hard for truth about thimerosal, need truth in every product

that we try.

Barb

Re: [ ]/was: Moms who have tried Natural Cellular

Defense

In a message dated 25/08/2006 16:35:55 GMT Daylight Time,

jromkema@... writes:

REALLY want to know what's what here! I especially want to know about the

claims that this stuff CAUSES cancer. Hey, I'm taking it to and I need to be

around as long as possible for my son!

Oh, and I am NOT hearing a lot from parents about their kids improving. Why

would this receive a nontoxic rating from the FDA if it was cancer-causing?

>>The results are in the files at the NCD list. We wont; be stopping using

it after the gains we have seen

Mandi x

August 25, 2006

The FDA is already hitting websites with the cancer claims for NCD. The FDA

rating is basically saying that there is no evidence to date that it is

carcinogenic. The carcinogenicity of zeolite is when it is inhaled so this

should be clarified. On the other hand, its long term safety has never been

tested. I for one would not want to put something into my children that

contains aluminum as a supplement. There may be foods that contain as much

or more, but there is a nutrient value there, this has none.

When I saw the mineral analysis of the product, it looked pretty darned

devoid of much of anything. A little calcium, aluminum, some other trace

minerals in extremely low doses as well as very low doses of heavy metals

but nothing substantial worth the money.

Mark Schauss

www.MarkSchauss.com

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On Behalf Of jromkema

Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:26 AM

Subject: Re: [ ]/was: Moms who have tried Natural Cellular

Defense

I REALLY want to know what's what here! I especially want to know about the

claims that this stuff CAUSES cancer. Hey, I'm taking it to and I need to be

around as long as possible for my son!

Oh, and I am NOT hearing a lot from parents about their kids improving. Why

would this receive a nontoxic rating from the FDA if it was cancer-causing?

C'mon y'all, we need truth here, not shaded comments affected by money! We

get enough of that about the thimerosal!!!

Barb

Re: [ ]/was: Moms who have tried Natural Cellular

Defense

> The bad news is this product is made of aluminum silicate. I saw a

breakdown of this product from a sample sent to Doctor's Data and it

has lot of aluminum and calcium, trace amounts of arsenic, barium,

cadmium, nickel, sodium, lithium, and a little boron, and not much

else.

,

Do you know where that Docotr's Data report is. I'd love to see it.

The NP we took our daughter to said she reccomends it. I was not

interested and told her we'd be using Andy's protocol. But it really

bother's me that she is suggesting it to others who will take her word

for it. I'd like to show her the report. Thanks

August 25, 2006

> Why would this receive a nontoxic rating from the FDA if it was

cancer-causing?

I think we can pretty much throw out any decisions from the FDA.

They're corrupt to their fingertips.

Nell

August 25, 2006

I'm wondering if the improvements aren't by the kids who started out with and

still have significant gut issues. The blog states that the zeolites might

influence transit time of food through the gut, altering fecal flora and/or

working on the lymphoid tissue of the gut.

Wondering if these kids were the kids who had diarrhea and still, despite many

interventions pass food through their stomach so fast that they absorb little.

They use it in cattle and poultry feeds, they wouldn't put cancer causing agents

in that, would they?

Re: [ ]/was: Moms who have tried Natural Cellular

Defense

In a message dated 25/08/2006 17:50:18 GMT Daylight Time,

schauss@... writes:

When I saw the mineral analysis of the product, it looked pretty darned

devoid of much of anything. A little calcium, aluminum, some other trace

minerals in extremely low doses as well as very low doses of heavy metals

but nothing substantial worth the money.

>>>Have to say that in terms of speed of gains, its the best money ever I

spent

Thats after 108 rounds of AC protocol and 9 months of buttar DMPS and nearly

7 year of biomed.........................

Mandi in UK

August 25, 2006

There are many people seeing results.and heavy metals pulls. with NCD. You

will find most of these people on the AutismNCD list.where you will also

find the DDI results in the files section.along with many other helpful

documents.

With regard to the aluminum issue: Let's be clear. They found 3.2 ug/g

aluminum in 15 ml of NCD. 1 ug/g = 1 ppm. There is probably less aluminum

in the entire bottle than in piece of store bought bread. And why would

anyone be surprised that they found aluminum in the first place? The

company has been quite clear about the fact that it contains aluminum. It's

just that they also claim it is not released from the " cage " unless heated

to 900 degrees. The company also claims this Zeolite is different from the

industrial types that are potentially carcinogenic and certainly wouldn't be

appropriate for ingesting.

The science may or may not support these claims. I'm not sure ANYONE knows

this yet. Just as it is not very helpful to accept Waiora's

pseudoscientific marketing claims about the product it is not also helpful

to slam them without the science to back up the critical claims either. The

product clearly does SOMETHING. And it does seem to pull metals (we pulled

with it). But there is still a lot we don't know.

August 25, 2006

Josie,

Can you point us to examples of the heavy metal pulls? I have seen the metal

pulls, and I could be reading them incorrectly, but saw little amounts of some

metals, with aluminum being the largest metal being reported.

Just having a discussion for the purpose of seperating fact from fiction, is

what we do to any product that a company makes claims about, noone gets a free

pass. I think you'll find we're equal opportunity cynics. Check onibasu for

discussions about td-dmps when it first appeared on the market.

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