Re: Ultrathione 500, Unique E, MTP II

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I ordered them both directly from the companies. I was told about them by a

pretty well respected autism specialist. I got both at whole sale prices

directly from the companies because I am a physician. I just did a google

search and it looks like you can get them from http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/

(Unique E) or http://hmpscience.com/catalog.xsp (Ultrathione 500)

but for more than I pay for the supplements.

You can ask your general pediatrician or any physician you know (that won't

charge extra) to order it for you directly from the companies

http://www.acgraceco.com (Unique E) or http://hmpscience.com/ (Ultrathione

500). I think if you call up the companies and find out how to get your doctor

registered then it shouldn't take more than 5 min for him/her to get registered

and get the whole-sale discount. Supplements cost so much (and maybe I'm

wrong) but I think that everyone should get them at whole sale prices.

The MTP promoter II we get from Dr. Marks in San Hellena, CA. It's a

proprietary blend of amino acids and selenium from the Pfeiffer Institute. I

think Andy Cutler believes that MTP promoter is just a temporary bandaid. I

don't feel the same. We are trying to do everything all at once to help my

daughter e.g. chelation, HBOT, supplements, MTP, B-12 shots, homeopathy, SCD.

Unfortunately, MTP promoter II wasn't the magic pill we had hoped but it has

helped her a lot. Her metallothinein level was 2 (almost non-existent) and just

by using the promoter it went to 8. We're going to retest soon and I hope with

everything else we're doing it should be much higher.

Sheri

Message 23

From: " mariapetsos " ionikos@...

Date: Mon May 1, 2006 4:13am(PDT)

Subject: Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

Sheri,

Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II? Thanks

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A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to just give Vitamin

C, which has shown to be superior to any glutathione supplementation.

Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

Sheri,

Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II? Thanks

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Can you provide some links to studies that prove this?

>

> A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to just

give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any glutathione

supplementation.

>

>

> Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

>

> Sheri,

> Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

Thanks

>

>

>

>

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http://qualitycounts.com/fplglutathione.html

[ ] Re: Ultrathione 500, Unique E, MTP II

Can you provide some links to studies that prove this?

>

> A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to just

give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any glutathione

supplementation.

>

>

> Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

>

> Sheri,

> Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

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Sure:

Here is a study where the authors of the study concluded " Dietary glutathione is

nor a major determinant of circulating flutathione and it is not feasible to

increase circulating glutathione to a clinically beneficial extent by oral

administration. "

Witschi A, et al., The systematic availability of oral glutathione. Eur J Clin

Pharmacol 43, 639-642, 1992.

And here is a study where they found the average red blood cell glutathione

concentration rose nearly 50 percent with 500 milligrams of Vitamin C per day.

ston CJ, Meyer CG, and Srilakshmi JC, Vitamin C elevates red blood cell

glutathione in healthy adults. Am J Clin Nutri 58, 103-105, 1993.

Both of these studies are cited in T Murray, N.D. " Encyclopedia of

Nutritional Supplements "

Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

>

> Sheri,

> Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

Thanks

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Interesting.. studies done almost 15 years ago but still interesing

> >

> > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to

just

> give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

glutathione

> supplementation.

> >

> >

> > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> >

> > Sheri,

> > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

> Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Here's one where glutathione is well absorbed if you take more than

50mg a day. No need for the fancy liposome enclosed expensive stuff.

> >

> > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to

just

> give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

glutathione

> supplementation.

> >

> >

> > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> >

> > Sheri,

> > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

> Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Yes, Mark is so much better at this, he has the same study replicated in 2003

saying oral glutathione is not effective in raising the glutathione levels in

the body, but Vitamin C is.

Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

>

> Sheri,

> Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

Thanks

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Was this study done on healthy individuls or kids with autism and

with bad guts? I'm really not tying to be a pain in the ass,

Vitamin C is superb. I take at least 2 grams daily myself. I just

have a problem with a blanket statements saying " If you take this or

do that you will get this result " So much depends on the indivuals

make up. It would be like me saying since I have been added 2 cups

of oatmeal a day to my diet my cholesteral has gone from 230 to 170

so if YOU eat 2 cups of oatmeal a day it will rid you of all your

high cholesteral woes. As we all know it just doesn't work that

way. I wish it did.

> >

> > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to

just

> give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

glutathione

> supplementation.

> >

> >

> > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> >

> > Sheri,

> > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

> Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

My brother is a renowned researcher in the field and he showed me a

number of powerful studies confirming vitamin C's ability to boost

glutathione levels. Still, if you read the research link, it doesn't just

mention vitamin C. You need to make sure there are adequate supplies of the

amino acids necessary to create glutathione as well as B6, selenium,

riboflavin and other nutrients.

[ ] Re: Ultrathione 500, Unique E, MTP II

Was this study done on healthy individuls or kids with autism and

with bad guts? I'm really not tying to be a pain in the ass,

Vitamin C is superb. I take at least 2 grams daily myself. I just

have a problem with a blanket statements saying " If you take this or

do that you will get this result " So much depends on the indivuals

make up. It would be like me saying since I have been added 2 cups

of oatmeal a day to my diet my cholesteral has gone from 230 to 170

so if YOU eat 2 cups of oatmeal a day it will rid you of all your

high cholesteral woes. As we all know it just doesn't work that

way. I wish it did.

> >

> > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to

just

> give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

glutathione

> supplementation.

> >

> >

> > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> >

> > Sheri,

> > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

> Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Old studies are still valid if done right.

[ ] Re: Ultrathione 500, Unique E, MTP II

Interesting.. studies done almost 15 years ago but still interesing

> >

> > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to

just

> give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

glutathione

> supplementation.

> >

> >

> > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> >

> > Sheri,

> > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

> Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

My son doctor has her patients do a genetic detox profile and

surprisingly my sons glutathione conjugation genes in the location liver

kidney were NULL meaning nonexistent. Our doctor said that she see this

type mutation (NULL or one or two genes carrying variation) way too

often in ASD kids so, for some people, C, Amino acid and other

antioxidants and Bs aren't just enough. We give A, Bs, C, E and custom

amino acids and bunch of other things but had to add about 600 mg of

transermal glutathione (divided to 3 doses per day) and are seeing the

glutathione level increase. Neither of us at home tolerate the oral

liquid stuff, so, I do wonder if it is possible to just open capsules

and mix the powder with oil and make the transdemal for the whole family

as I suspect that my husband and I are not major glutathione producers

either.

My son's is compounded in a local pharmacy so I don't think it should be

that hard to make my own.

Any thought on that?

Haleh

Mark Schauss wrote:

> My brother is a renowned researcher in the field and he showed me a

> number of powerful studies confirming vitamin C's ability to boost

> glutathione levels. Still, if you read the research link, it doesn't just

> mention vitamin C. You need to make sure there are adequate supplies

> of the

> amino acids necessary to create glutathione as well as B6, selenium,

> riboflavin and other nutrients.

>

> [ ] Re: Ultrathione 500, Unique E, MTP II

>

> Was this study done on healthy individuls or kids with autism and

> with bad guts? I'm really not tying to be a pain in the ass,

> Vitamin C is superb. I take at least 2 grams daily myself. I just

> have a problem with a blanket statements saying " If you take this or

> do that you will get this result " So much depends on the indivuals

> make up. It would be like me saying since I have been added 2 cups

> of oatmeal a day to my diet my cholesteral has gone from 230 to 170

> so if YOU eat 2 cups of oatmeal a day it will rid you of all your

> high cholesteral woes. As we all know it just doesn't work that

> way. I wish it did.

>

>

> > >

> > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to

> just

> > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

> glutathione

> > supplementation.

> > >

> > >

> > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > >

> > > Sheri,

> > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor II?

> > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Again, where the studies done on ASD kids with impaired methylation

cycles and bad guts due to toxic insult? Probabaly not. I think for

lot of these kids giving them a supplements and having it get

converted into something else is difficult for them but I'm sure it

helps for some of them. It all works..some of the time.

> > >

> > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to

> just

> > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

> glutathione

> > supplementation.

> > >

> > >

> > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > >

> > > Sheri,

> > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor

II?

> > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Well, if they can't covert Vitamin C, which is easily absorbed they most likely

will not absorb glutathione, which lots of studies say, does not absorb. Still,

best bet is Vitamin C, amino acids, selenium.

Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > >

> > > Sheri,

> > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor

II?

> > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

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That is why you test them to see what pathways are disarrayed and fix it.

[ ] Re: Ultrathione 500, Unique E, MTP II

Again, where the studies done on ASD kids with impaired methylation

cycles and bad guts due to toxic insult? Probabaly not. I think for

lot of these kids giving them a supplements and having it get

converted into something else is difficult for them but I'm sure it

helps for some of them. It all works..some of the time.

> > >

> > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is to

> just

> > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

> glutathione

> > supplementation.

> > >

> > >

> > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > >

> > > Sheri,

> > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor

II?

> > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Exactly right. Which is why a blanket statement of ingesting

Vitamin C will raise glutathione levels is not correct.

> > > >

> > > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels is

to

> > just

> > > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

> > glutathione

> > > supplementation.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > >

> > > > Sheri,

> > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor

> II?

> > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

What we CAN reasonably ascertain from the studies done is that oral glutathione

is not useful in raising glutathione levels, which was the original

post/question.

If you want to test the individual child, that is another matter, but what does

raise glutathione for the majority is Vitamin C, and/or other nutrients.

Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > >

> > > > Sheri,

> > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP promotor

> II?

> > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

This link points to a study done at the University of Atlanta by DP

that says otherwise. Go down to the part Glutathione Absobed?

I'm sure there are others availble.

http://www.needs.com/Catalog/Immune4.pdf

> > > > >

> > > > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels

is

> to

> > > just

> > > > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

> > > glutathione

> > > > supplementation.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheri,

> > > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP

promotor

> > II?

> > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Another interesting study in this book, although just one case, N=1, involving a

45 month old girl who was born with an inherited deficiency of glutathione

synthesis. Don't suppose she was too healthy as most subjects of studies

involving glutathione.

They tried both NAC and Vitamin C and found that for her, Vitamin C at 3 grams

was successful in increased white blood cell glutathione (GSH) levels, fourfold

and plasma GSH levels, eightfold.

Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheri,

> > > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP

promotor

> > II?

> > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Is there a reference for that study? I couldn't find it, and always suspect of

people who are actually selling the supplement reporting that it works. Try Pub

Med.

Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheri,

> > > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP

promotor

> > II?

> > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I suspect them all too including this Vitacost link.

http://qualitycounts.com/fplglutathione.html

I'm a skeptic on everything but will try anything...within reason.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione

levels

> is

> > to

> > > > just

> > > > > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to

any

> > > > glutathione

> > > > > supplementation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sheri,

> > > > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP

> promotor

> > > II?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I have been wondering about this myself. We do TD and oral and have

never noticed a benefit - just money down the toilet?

Unfortunately, my son does not tolerate any form of Vit C (oxalate

issues) so I don't know where that leaves us...

> > > > >

> > > > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione levels

is

> to

> > > just

> > > > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

> > > glutathione

> > > > supplementation.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheri,

> > > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP

promotor

> > II?

> > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Like Mark S said if you haven't already you could have some tests

ran to identify what pathways need help. You child may not have a

low sulfer probelm and may not even need to raise the glutathione.

I've read where Andy discourages using Glut if sulfer levels are

normal particularly if chelating with ALA since ALA will raise glut

levels on it own. Someone correct me if I'm woring here. Below is a

list of other things that will raise glutathione levels. Does your

child like milk shakes? You can buy some tasty EAS whey protein

powder and make delicoius shakes. Lots of recipes availble online.

Some researchers believe that supplements other than oral

glutathione may be more effective in raising blood levels of

glutathione. For example, in one trial, blood glutathione levels

rose nearly 50% in healthy people taking 500 mg of vitamin C per day

for only two weeks.10 Vitamin C raises glutathione by helping the

body manufacture it. In addition to vitamin C, other nutritional

compounds that may, according to preliminary research, help increase

glutathione levels include alpha lipoic acid,11 glutamine,12

methionine,13 S-adenosyl methionine (SAMe),14 and whey protein.15

Vitamin B6, riboflavin, and selenium are required in the manufacture

of glutathione. The extent to which any of these nutrients

effectively increases glutathione levels in humans remains unclear.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione

levels

> is

> > to

> > > > just

> > > > > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to any

> > > > glutathione

> > > > > supplementation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sheri,

> > > > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP

> promotor

> > > II?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

, same here. We are about done with a first bottle of the

liposome glut and the improvements we saw are now gone. If fact hes

has been hyper as heck last couple of days. I don't get it. I'm

waiting for a bottle of 500 Mg glut from Jarrow. Not sure what I'm

going to do just yet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione

levels

> is

> > to

> > > > just

> > > > > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to

any

> > > > glutathione

> > > > > supplementation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sheri,

> > > > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP

> promotor

> > > II?

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, I didn't read the entire thread - my son has been sick and

haven't been holding him most of the last few days. DAN said both

my kids showed low GSH despite lipo GSH and TD-GSH supplements. I

believe that info came from an OAT test.

My kids are SCD/LOD and diary free. I am hoping to start ALA soon,

we do B6, B2 and selenium.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A much cheaper, easier way to raise glutathione

> levels

> > is

> > > to

> > > > > just

> > > > > > give Vitamin C, which has shown to be superior to

any

> > > > > glutathione

> > > > > > supplementation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ultrathione 500 and Unique E

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sheri,

> > > > > > > Where can you get Unique E? Also what is MTP

> > promotor

> > > > II?

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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