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Jan, I would really recommend EpiCor, from VRP. It is pretty

expensive - almost a dollar a capsule if you go for the 500 mg size,

though less for the 125 mg size. (And also less for bulk orders.)

However, it *really* works to keep you from getting sick, and (for

my son anyway) it also helps to keep a lid on yeast. We've run out

and I am keeping my fingers crossed that my son stays healthy till I

can get some more.

There are stories of people who worked with the original animal feed

supplement that EpiCor was derived from that did not get sick at

all, ever, for years and years.

Have you had his neutrophils checked recently?

take care

Rene

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> The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

another

> since starting school in Sept.

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We got nothing with EpiCor. What does work here is Neutrophil Plus from Biotics

Research, a little pricey at $25 for 90 capsules, but gets rid of the yeast and

has kept her cold free for almost a month now as we had the same thing since the

beginning of school; walking pneumonia followed by strep.

Also, Jan did you have his throat cultured? Could be strep.

[ ] dmsa and colds?

We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy protocol.

My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even added

colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound kid. On

GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after another

since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc, echinacea,

etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems that he has

gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again. Mild

runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I have been

doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so long to get

the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third week he

really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior gets

terrible.

Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have tons of

cold and keep chelating?

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We did not have a throat culture but that's a good idea. He has no

fever, so we did not think it more than a cold virus. Will look into

the Neutrophil to see if we can afford yet another supplement. Is

this problem low neutrophils that we are seeing?

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> We got nothing with EpiCor. What does work here is Neutrophil

Plus from Biotics Research, a little pricey at $25 for 90 capsules,

but gets rid of the yeast and has kept her cold free for almost a

month now as we had the same thing since the beginning of school;

walking pneumonia followed by strep.

>

> Also, Jan did you have his throat cultured? Could be strep.

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>

> We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy

protocol.

> My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even added

> colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound

kid. On

> GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

>

> The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

another

> since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc,

echinacea,

> etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems that

he has

> gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again.

Mild

> runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I have

been

> doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so long to

get

> the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third week

he

> really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior gets

> terrible.

> Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have tons

of

> cold and keep chelating?

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We have not had his neutrophils checked. I am not sure our doc would

order blood work as she has no idea what we are doing. I am

concerned that if we go in and tell them we are chelating him for

what they beleive are low lead levels, they will call CPS on me.

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> > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> another

> > since starting school in Sept.

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Yes, dmsa lowers neutrophils and low neutrophils are thought to be the cause of

yeast. I can only tell you that here, 10 days of Neutrophil Plus and there is no

sign of the yeast and no more colds. I had erroneously thought this was due to

Transfer Factor, but a trial of taking them both out found the no yeast/colds

due to the Neutrophil Plus.

I hear you about the cost of all these, but this is one we have to keep.

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>

> We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy

protocol.

> My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even added

> colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound

kid. On

> GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

>

> The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

another

> since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc,

echinacea,

> etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems that

he has

> gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again.

Mild

> runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I have

been

> doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so long to

get

> the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third week

he

> really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior gets

> terrible.

> Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have tons

of

> cold and keep chelating?

>

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You can just ask for a CBC based on his frequent/constant colds when you take

him in to the ped. It's good to have a baseline occasionally, anyway with any

kid. Get his throat cultured while you are there, hate to keep harping on this,

but you can get some nasty stuff with untreated strep, like rheumatic fever or

kidney disease, happened to me, untreated strep, kidney disease.

[ ] Re: dmsa and colds?

We have not had his neutrophils checked. I am not sure our doc would

order blood work as she has no idea what we are doing. I am

concerned that if we go in and tell them we are chelating him for

what they beleive are low lead levels, they will call CPS on me.

> >

> > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> another

> > since starting school in Sept.

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By the way forgot to ask how it tastes? He doesn't swallow anything

yet. So we need to be prepared for how to get it into him. I know

the virastop smells and tastes funny. We have a hard time with that.

He gets a taste of it mixed into something and then gags and then

it's Virastop on the floor.

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> > > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> > another

> > > since starting school in Sept.

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Well, it doesn't smell good, it has maitake mushrooms in it, so I think it

smells like dirt, lol. Ours was taught the " Nell " method of capsule swallowing,

but this is a pretty big capsule, so she has to take it in her yogurt, and

doesn't much like it. However, the yeast and colds are much worse, so we

persevere.

This has been a key for her and her immune system problems, so I suspect she

will be on it for a long while.

[ ] Re: dmsa and colds?

By the way forgot to ask how it tastes? He doesn't swallow anything

yet. So we need to be prepared for how to get it into him. I know

the virastop smells and tastes funny. We have a hard time with that.

He gets a taste of it mixed into something and then gags and then

it's Virastop on the floor.

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> > > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> > another

> > > since starting school in Sept.

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Did the EpiCor aggrevate the yeast issues?

Thanks,

Sofia

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> We got nothing with EpiCor. What does work here is Neutrophil

Plus from Biotics Research, a little pricey at $25 for 90 capsules,

but gets rid of the yeast and has kept her cold free for almost a

month now as we had the same thing since the beginning of school;

walking pneumonia followed by strep.

>

> Also, Jan did you have his throat cultured? Could be strep.

>

>

> [ ] dmsa and colds?

>

>

> We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy

protocol.

> My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even added

> colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound

kid. On

> GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

>

> The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

another

> since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc,

echinacea,

> etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems that

he has

> gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again.

Mild

> runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I have

been

> doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so long to

get

> the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third week

he

> really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior gets

> terrible.

> Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have tons

of

> cold and keep chelating?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Sofia,

I hate to say that it aggravated the yeast, but I could swear it did. Certainly

didn't help it and I had such high hopes for that product.

[ ] dmsa and colds?

>

>

> We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy

protocol.

> My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even added

> colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound

kid. On

> GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

>

> The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

another

> since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc,

echinacea,

> etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems that

he has

> gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again.

Mild

> runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I have

been

> doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so long to

get

> the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third week

he

> really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior gets

> terrible.

> Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have tons

of

> cold and keep chelating?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks . Sofia

> >

> > We got nothing with EpiCor. What does work here is Neutrophil

> Plus from Biotics Research, a little pricey at $25 for 90

capsules,

> but gets rid of the yeast and has kept her cold free for almost

a

> month now as we had the same thing since the beginning of

school;

> walking pneumonia followed by strep.

> >

> > Also, Jan did you have his throat cultured? Could be strep.

> >

> >

> > [ ] dmsa and colds?

> >

> >

> > We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy

> protocol.

> > My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even

added

> > colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound

> kid. On

> > GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

> >

> > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> another

> > since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc,

> echinacea,

> > etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems that

> he has

> > gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again.

> Mild

> > runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I have

> been

> > doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so long

to

> get

> > the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third week

> he

> > really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior

gets

> > terrible.

> > Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have

tons

> of

> > cold and keep chelating?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I wonder whether 's experience with the Epicor was like ours

with LDN, which definitely left us with more yeast than we started

with. I am guessing that it helped the immune system try to deal

with some viral issues, which created more yeast....

Anne

> > >

> > > We got nothing with EpiCor. What does work here is

Neutrophil

> > Plus from Biotics Research, a little pricey at $25 for 90

> capsules,

> > but gets rid of the yeast and has kept her cold free for

almost

> a

> > month now as we had the same thing since the beginning of

> school;

> > walking pneumonia followed by strep.

> > >

> > > Also, Jan did you have his throat cultured? Could be strep.

> > >

> > >

> > > [ ] dmsa and colds?

> > >

> > >

> > > We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy

> > protocol.

> > > My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even

> added

> > > colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound

> > kid. On

> > > GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

> > >

> > > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> > another

> > > since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc,

> > echinacea,

> > > etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems

that

> > he has

> > > gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again.

> > Mild

> > > runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I

have

> > been

> > > doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so

long

> to

> > get

> > > the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third

week

> > he

> > > really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior

> gets

> > > terrible.

> > > Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have

> tons

> > of

> > > cold and keep chelating?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Anyone know whether strep can be an issue but not be detected in a

throat culture?

Anne

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> > > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> > another

> > > since starting school in Sept.

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While not positive it should be detected by culture if they have it.

Some children are carriers of this, but it usually shows on culture.

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> > > > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold

after

> > > another

> > > > since starting school in Sept.

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Anne,

Our little grandson often has positive cultures - not the quick strep

variety - but the true culture. The quick strep tests are usually

negative for him. His OCD symptoms are 10 on a 10 point scale when he

has strep. That is the only clue for my daughter. He has no fever, no

malaise, no appetite changes etc. Her doc has learned through enough

positive cultures to listen to her when she says strep is a problem.

There have been times when the true culture is negative; a repeat has

usually been positive.

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> > > > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> > > another

> > > > since starting school in Sept.

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Jan,

Your son may have mold allergies. Apparently mold is everywhere is small

amounts. You

may want to spray the room he sleeps in or your house with " oust " and door

knobs/

around windows with a surface disinfectant at least an hour before he enters the

room.

Also, take a qtip with vaseline petroleum jelly on it and apply in each nostril.

Your nose is

the first line to protect against entry into your respiratory system.

Also, check out Dr. Amy Homes website which has a link to doctors that are

familiar with

chelation so that you can find one that wont have you in fear of contacting

child protection

services. It is pretty important to work with a doctor when chelating because

it puts a

burden on the childs system/organs. A doctor can test to make sure you are

cycling the

chelation enough to be effective without damaging vital organs.

Good Luck and let me know if this helps!

Farhin

>

> We got nothing with EpiCor. What does work here is Neutrophil Plus from

Biotics

Research, a little pricey at $25 for 90 capsules, but gets rid of the yeast and

has kept her

cold free for almost a month now as we had the same thing since the beginning of

school;

walking pneumonia followed by strep.

>

> Also, Jan did you have his throat cultured? Could be strep.

>

>

> [ ] dmsa and colds?

>

>

> We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy protocol.

> My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even added

> colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound kid. On

> GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

>

> The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after another

> since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc, echinacea,

> etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems that he has

> gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again. Mild

> runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I have been

> doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so long to get

> the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third week he

> really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior gets

> terrible.

> Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have tons of

> cold and keep chelating?

>

>

>

>

>

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I had never considered this, it didn't create loads of yeast like with Virastop,

so little increase I am not sure it did, but I guess it's possible. We saw

nothing else with it and the reports from people who said they got a reduction

in colds from the EpiCor was definitely not true here.

[ ] dmsa and colds?

> > >

> > >

> > > We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy

> > protocol.

> > > My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even

> added

> > > colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound

> > kid. On

> > > GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

> > >

> > > The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after

> > another

> > > since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc,

> > echinacea,

> > > etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems

that

> > he has

> > > gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again.

> > Mild

> > > runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I

have

> > been

> > > doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so

long

> to

> > get

> > > the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third

week

> > he

> > > really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior

> gets

> > > terrible.

> > > Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have

> tons

> > of

> > > cold and keep chelating?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Mold allergies are possible in the fall and winter, more likely in the summer.

Although, if you have any moisture problems with your house they can occur

anytime. Thinking for awhile that we have mold allergies here.

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>

>

> We are on round 12 with my 4 yr old of dmsa/ala on Andy protocol.

> My son is on all the supplements recomended here. We even added

> colostrum tablets, but not sure 250mg is enough for 40 pound kid. On

> GSE for yeast and probiotics too.

>

> The problem we are having is that he has had one cold after another

> since starting school in Sept. Even with increased C, zinc, echinacea,

> etc. OLE made him miserable. Anyway, whenever we it seems that he has

> gotten rid of his cold by day 2 on a round he is sick again. Mild

> runny nose, and a lot of coughing. Dry hacking mainly. I have been

> doing less rounds only twice a month because it takes so long to get

> the cold/cough under control again. However, by the third week he

> really needs a round. He starts regressing and his behavior gets

> terrible.

> Any suggestions? Or should we just accept that he will have tons of

> cold and keep chelating?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi

We have been on TD DMSA for 6 months now, I never connected his cold

with DMSA, after reading the posts, I am wondering does the DMSA is

causing cold. From our experience, it certainly appears DMSA is

feeding yeast also. We had him on Diffucan for 15 days, first 12 days,

he was unusually calm, he would sit and watch TV. His oral stimming

was pretty much gone. the 13th day when we started TD DMSA, boom

everything went back to normal(!). Running around, stimming, toe

walking.

I am afraid to keep him on Diffucan due to the side effects? Any

suggestions how to fight Yeast when we are on DMSA.

Thank you

Muthu Father of 4 yrs old

>

> Sofia,

>

> I hate to say that it aggravated the yeast, but I could swear it

did. Certainly didn't help it and I had such high hopes for that

product.

>

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We have been using GSE daily and then increase it when on dmsa. We

also have daily probiotics. IF we miss the GSE he is a mess as you

describe. DMSA does increase yeast because it is moving metals

through the gut and metals mess up the flora in the gut allowing

yeast to overgrown. So using a yeast treatment is necessary before,

during and in between rounds. We chose GSE because it's natural,

inexpensive and it works.

My son always gets a cold towards the end of a round. So does my NT

daughter and I have had it happen myself. I don't think

dmsa " causes " colds just that when chelating the immune system is

under strain. Dmsa also lowers neutrophils somewhat, so fighting off

a cold when chelating is tougher. This allows things like cold

viruses to get the upper hand. I have gotten his cold under control

or gone usually within a few days of stopping dmsa by increasing c,

zinc, colostrum and giving virastop. Echinacea works well too. WE

give that a few times a day for 10 days then stop for 10 days. After

my last few posts about him getting sick yet again on a round...I

increased his colostrum to half a table twice a day, added 10mg more

zinc, and increased his c. Within a day or so the cold has gotten

better and is almost gone. This cold problem is less in the summer.

He just gets a runny nose on a round then.

> >

> > Sofia,

> >

> > I hate to say that it aggravated the yeast, but I could swear it

> did. Certainly didn't help it and I had such high hopes for that

> product.

> >

>

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