Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Thanks for the reply Sheila, I have been following a treatment protocal from Dr p and am now also under an endrocrinologist who has prescribed me one and a half of armour. I picked these up from the chemist the other day but have been reluctant to start them as they are in one dose and I had started to feel some of the symptoms described in my last mail so I had continued with nature throid. I have had the adrenal stress profile done and my adrenal reserves are not exhauseted but low and need support. I have not been able to talk to dr p to ask him whether this support can come in the form of nax or whether it needs to be something stronger as he didn't specify on the letter. I have discovered that I am only able to take two nax a day before I get an upset stomach so I think maybe I should try nae on my next order? What do you think? I think I will have to ring him tomorrow to ask his advice as well. My candida test showed that the anitbodies IgA were positive and need to be treated. I have been scared to do this as I had felt so well and it was the first time in such a long time that I had felt like this. The results came back when I felt well and so I didn't want to rock the boat so to speak. I haven't had a thyroid function test since the beginning of december - this was before I started the treatment protocal. I also haven't had any tests done for B12, Vitamin D, ferritin (stored iron), magnesium, zinc or copper. I guess I will need to get them done... I feel a little disappointed with myself and now have to go back to the start, at least I can see what it is to feel 'normal' again.. Thanks for the advice .. I do feel slightly better today but can still feel the presense of what I was talking about... I'll let you know how I get on...Thanks again emily x > > Hi > > First, are you self medicating or are you under the care of either an NHS or > private doctor. When was the last time you had a thyroid function test and > what did these tests show? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Hi Dawn, Thanks for posting - I have been on thyroxine for 14 years with various side effects and ill health. Before christmas had my second miscarriage which prompted me to see dr p. Since xmas I have been following his treatment protocal and started to feel amazing - 'normal' about two weeks ago. Just this last week acouple of days have not been so good as described - yesterday I felt rotton. My heart rate has been low for a long time - although on the days when I felt good it had crept up to 65 - 75 on one day which was really reassuring. My adrenal test showed that although not exhauseted they are quite low and need help - I have been using nax - guess I need to ask if I need somehting stronger? I have I think over done things as I was feeling so wonderful, It is also the first day of my period, which amazingly I didn't have the usual ravaging pmt, instead I had the symnptoms of what seems like too much thyroid hormone....low adrenals? Low progesterone..? Oh yeah my candida was also positive.... not sure about the others though - will have to get them tested... What do you think..? Thanks again emily x > > Hi > > Did you always have a slow hr? I am glad you are getting some > energetic feelings but it sounds like you are getting accompanying > aggitation unfortunately, perhaps as you felt a little better with > adrenal support the nature throid is exposing some adrenal problems? I > don't know your history nor whether you have done the adrenal saliva > test? Is this the first time you have taken natural thyroid hormones? > Have you been on thyroxine only and how long ago if so? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Hi Bob, Thanks for the info and advice. Do you think I could have over done it and in doing so worn out my adrenals..? Is that what happens? I did have lots of energy and felt so good I just kept on, is this an internal or external thing? It feels hard to take things easy when you have so much energy, doesn't it? Also I don't think I can cope with alcohol at all any more (great). You advise taking the B vitamins to help, is there enough inside NAX and NAE or do you think more need to be added in? thanks again emily > > Hi , > > The manic feelings and the alternating energetic day then a slump the > next are all too familiar to many on this forum. > > Remember (if possible) to pace yourself to allow for this pattern. > (bit like advice for ME/CFS ??) > > O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 , Thank you for letting me know you are sometimes the same, dr p said my adrenal reserve was low and needed support. I have been taking nax but can't cope with more than 2 a day - I get an upset tummy, my next question for him is whether I need something more ... are you well now - how do you dose? Thanks emily x > > Hi , > > I am no expert but what you describe is exactly what happened to me > before Christmas. When I saw Dr. P he said mine was adrenal...I needed > the Nature Throid but was needing to sort out my adrenals too. I am > now on HC. At first I was told to up my NAX to 6 a day and take 10 NA > too but it wasn't enough as I was still getting these symptoms you > describe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Hi , Finding out what is possible, gets you motivated to improve. Judging the 'range' of possibilities is more difficult. Be a little cautious that you have enough 'kit' on board to sustain your adventurous new life-style. NAX or NAE ought to be able to keep some of the 'kit' going, but if not, then a more realistic course is to replace some of the cortisol effects by one or other supplement (isocort/hydrocortisone) preferably and advisedly with medical support. The adrenaline rush whilst enjoying yourself is very worthwile if your cortisol production is up to it, but otherwise, can crash your system ( the following day ~ as experinced ). I don't know if the NAX or NAE will be enough for yourself. I only use brewer's yeast (and now with folic acid and vit B12), but that's 'essential' for me.....and I don't have a formally diagnosed thyroid problem ~ as yet. A very small amount of alcohol can help relax, but each to her/his own. best wishes Bob > > > > Hi , > > > > The manic feelings and the alternating energetic day then a slump the > > next are all too familiar to many on this forum. > > > > Remember (if possible) to pace yourself to allow for this pattern. > > (bit like advice for ME/CFS ??) > > > > O > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Thanks Bob, I think I feel a little like I'm back at the start - but of course I am not as I know more than I did 2 months ago, I just need to revisit a few things and take it a bit easier... (damn it!) thanks for putting into context and explaining things emily > > > Hi , > > Finding out what is possible, gets you motivated to improve. > > Judging the 'range' of possibilities is more difficult. > > Be a little cautious that you have enough 'kit' on board to sustain > your adventurous new life-style. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 HI I have been following a treatment protocal from Dr p and am now also under an endocrinologist who has prescribed me one and a half of armour. I picked these up from the chemist the other day but have been reluctant to start them as they are in one dose and I had started to feel some of the symptoms described in my last mail so I had continued with nature throid. Some people do feel that Armour is more potent than the Nutri Throid. I think once your adrenals have been supported, as you are getting Armour now on the NHS, I would start Armour by splitting the dose. You can take half your dose about an hour before breakfast and the other half around the middle of the afternoon. This ensures you do not get too much T3 all at once. The tablets are easy to cut in half if you need to do this - and it doesn't matter if the halves are not quite accurate as we put out different levels of thyroid hormones throughout the day. I have had the adrenal stress profile done and my adrenal reserves are not exhauseted but low and need support. I have not been able to talk to dr p to ask him whether this support can come in the form of nax or whether it needs to be something stronger as he didn't specify on the letter. I have discovered that I am only able to take two nax a day before I get an upset stomach so I think maybe I should try nae on my next order? What do you think? I think I will have to ring him tomorrow to ask his advice as well. I would buy the Nutri Adrenal Extra (you can get these cheapest at www.yournutritionshop.co.uk ) Start by stopping your thyroid hormone replacement for a week. The first day you stop, take one NAE with your breakfast and stay on that for 4 or 5 days. Then add another NAE with your lunch. After a couple of weeks you can add another NAE but take this dose with your breakfast and never take any after 1.00p.m. because the extra adrenaline might keep you awake. Start your Armour on the 8th day and split the dose. Never take any thyroid hormones anywhere near calcium and iron - take these at least 3 to 4 hours away. My candida test showed that the anitbodies IgA were positive and need to be treated. I have been scared to do this as I had felt so well and it was the first time in such a long time that I had felt like this. The results came back when I felt well and so I didn't want to rock the boat so to speak. Try the bicarbonate of soda treatment. This is cheap and apparently some members have reported this to be very effective. You take one flat teaspoon of bicarbonate soda in warm water when you get up for 4 weeks and then you stop it for 2 weeks before starting again. If you find you have loose stools with this amount, then simply lower the dose. If you have been given an exemption certificate for being hypothyroid, then go to your local chemist and take this with you, together with your medical card. You can get Fluconozole tablets free of charge. Some give you two tablets, most give you one, so for the 3 tablets required (you take one a week)- you might need to go to different pharmacies - though this may not be the case. I haven't had a thyroid function test since the beginning of december - this was before I started the treatment protocal. I also haven't had any tests done for B12, Vitamin D, ferritin (stored iron), magnesium, zinc or copper. I guess I will need to get them done... make an appointment with your GP and request that these be tested as they are essential for sufferers of hypothyroidism. Luv - Sheila .... I'll let you know how I get on...Thanks again emily x _._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Thanks Leah, It s so comforting that you/ others have the same experience...it seems strange doesn't it..? When you start to feel hyper and rough do you get chest pains and breathlessness? thanks emily > > Hi , > > Now I am on NTH I find that on the 2 week approach to my period I > start to feel quite good, and then the day of my period I always feel > absolutely fab, or hyper, and then during my period and the week > following, I tend to feel pretty rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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