Re: administering GSE and oil of oregano

[Guest guest]

>

> Can anyone tell me how to give these? How much oregano, and do you

> just add it to food?

My son did not tolerate OoO, so I can't really help you there.

>>GSE - says dilute, how do you actually consume

> this? A few drops?

Start with one drop in the morning, see how it is tolerated. It mixes

well with lemonaid or orange juice.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dana. I went ahead and tried the GSE in water last night,

one drop. He was depressed recovering from the ALA and I really

wanted to try to reduce the yeast. EI YI YI!!! Not good. It did

clear his head, and calm him down, but then he just got weird. Epsom

salts soaks are helping but he is exhausted and we can't seem to put

a dent in that.

I contacted Houston's about No-Fenol, which appears to contain corn.

They say it is impossible to produce enzymes without it. That won't

work for him. I guess we will just have to wait this reaction out,

but need to find something for the yeast.

> >

> > Can anyone tell me how to give these? How much oregano, and do

you

> > just add it to food?

>

>

> My son did not tolerate OoO, so I can't really help you there.

>

>

> >>GSE - says dilute, how do you actually consume

> > this? A few drops?

>

>

> Start with one drop in the morning, see how it is tolerated. It

mixes

> well with lemonaid or orange juice.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Believe it or not, this is a good sign ! Those are exactly the signs you

want when looking to see if GSE will help with yeast.

What you experienced after the initial improvement is what is referred to as

" Die Off " .. There are a few things you can do to make this better in the

future.

1. 30 to 45 minutes after the GSE you COULD have given activated

charcoal to soak up the nasty stuff from the decaying yeast. (not necessary

for regular use)

2. Each time you give the GSE you will have less yeast to " Die Off " , so

the " backlash " should become less of a problem when you get the yeast under

control.

3. Give ProBiotics 30 to 45 minutes after the GSE, this will help crowd

out the " bad bugs " .

Be careful not to give too much GSE, this can lead to diarrhea or upset

stomach and open the door for bad bacteria strains to get a foot hold, so

make sure that you are giving plenty of ProBiotics 30 to 45 minutes after

giving the GSE.

Now that we have yeast fairly under control (I hope I didn't just jinx

myself) we usually give GSE just before bed as follows.

2 Candex on empty stomach - maybe throw in a No-Fenol

Wait 30 minutes

Small amount of Orange Juice with 1 or 2 drops of GSE

Wait 30 - 45 minutes

Double Dose of ProBiotics

Bed Time

Good Luck,

Neil

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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 3:36 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: administering GSE and oil of oregano

Thanks, Dana. I went ahead and tried the GSE in water last night,

one drop. He was depressed recovering from the ALA and I really

wanted to try to reduce the yeast. EI YI YI!!! Not good. It did

clear his head, and calm him down, but then he just got weird. Epsom

salts soaks are helping but he is exhausted and we can't seem to put

a dent in that.

I contacted Houston's about No-Fenol, which appears to contain corn.

They say it is impossible to produce enzymes without it. That won't

work for him. I guess we will just have to wait this reaction out,

but need to find something for the yeast.

> >

> > Can anyone tell me how to give these? How much oregano, and do

you

> > just add it to food?

>

>

> My son did not tolerate OoO, so I can't really help you there.

>

>

> >>GSE - says dilute, how do you actually consume

> > this? A few drops?

>

>

> Start with one drop in the morning, see how it is tolerated. It

mixes

> well with lemonaid or orange juice.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your feedback and suggestions Neil. But how do I know

this is not a phenol reaction rather than a yeast reaction?

> > >

> > > Can anyone tell me how to give these? How much oregano, and do

> you

> > > just add it to food?

> >

> >

> > My son did not tolerate OoO, so I can't really help you there.

> >

> >

> > >>GSE - says dilute, how do you actually consume

> > > this? A few drops?

> >

> >

> > Start with one drop in the morning, see how it is tolerated. It

> mixes

> > well with lemonaid or orange juice.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How are about Dipan 9 (enzymes)? I don't think they have corn in it. My son is

allergy to all Houston enzyme but ok with Dipan 9.

Eva

llhayes57 <llhayes@...> wrote:

Thanks, Dana. I went ahead and tried the GSE in water last night,

one drop. He was depressed recovering from the ALA and I really

wanted to try to reduce the yeast. EI YI YI!!! Not good. It did

clear his head, and calm him down, but then he just got weird. Epsom

salts soaks are helping but he is exhausted and we can't seem to put

a dent in that.

I contacted Houston's about No-Fenol, which appears to contain corn.

They say it is impossible to produce enzymes without it. That won't

work for him. I guess we will just have to wait this reaction out,

but need to find something for the yeast.

> >

> > Can anyone tell me how to give these? How much oregano, and do

you

> > just add it to food?

>

>

> My son did not tolerate OoO, so I can't really help you there.

>

>

> >>GSE - says dilute, how do you actually consume

> > this? A few drops?

>

>

> Start with one drop in the morning, see how it is tolerated. It

mixes

> well with lemonaid or orange juice.

>

> Dana

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for your feedback and suggestions Neil. But how do I know

> this is not a phenol reaction rather than a yeast reaction?

Try giving activated charcoal 45 minutes after the GSE. I *think if

that works, it's die-off and not the phenol thing.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Okay, this sounds vile, but where do you get it, and how do you give

it? Do people react to the charcoal - it is apparently made from a

number of different things (coconut, trees etc) - do you have to find

a kind that has a base you are not reactive to?

His reactions to the GSE were really odd. He said he would try to

focus and his eyes would go somewhere else (that is one we have never

heard before), and he was very spacey - not being aware of what was

going on around him, stuff like that. He is starting to come down

today, but has been in and out of it rather suddenly. These are all

pretty strange symptoms/behaviors for him.

> >

> > Thanks for your feedback and suggestions Neil. But how do I know

> > this is not a phenol reaction rather than a yeast reaction?

>

> Try giving activated charcoal 45 minutes after the GSE. I *think if

> that works, it's die-off and not the phenol thing.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

Hey - this looks good! The message I received from Houston actually

said that all commercial enzymes are sprayed on malodextrin, unless

you use pancreatic enzymes. Looks like that's what the Dipan 9 is.

Can you tell me anything about how you dose it?

> > >

> > > Can anyone tell me how to give these? How much oregano, and do

> you

> > > just add it to food?

> >

> >

> > My son did not tolerate OoO, so I can't really help you there.

> >

> >

> > >>GSE - says dilute, how do you actually consume

> > > this? A few drops?

> >

> >

> > Start with one drop in the morning, see how it is tolerated. It

> mixes

> > well with lemonaid or orange juice.

> >

> > Dana

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> Okay, this sounds vile, but where do you get it, and how do you give

> it? Do people react to the charcoal - it is apparently made from a

> number of different things (coconut, trees etc) - do you have to find

> a kind that has a base you are not reactive to?

I haven't heard of any of these problems before. You can get it at any

hfs, either bulk or in capsules. You want to give it about an hour

after the GSE, but if the die-off symptoms are terrible and really

uncomfortable I give it as early as a half hour after. It will soak up

everything, including the toxins from die-off. You should see a big

improvement in about 15 minutes. n calls it the Magic Pill and

used to hold a clock waiting for the 15 minutes to go by.

>

> His reactions to the GSE were really odd. He said he would try to

> focus and his eyes would go somewhere else (that is one we have never

> heard before), and he was very spacey - not being aware of what was

> going on around him, stuff like that.

Not sure what to make of that. n's die-off reaction is mostly

rage (but then that's his reaction to everything, including phenols

when they were a problem).

Has anyone else had that kind of reaction to GSE?

Have you tried any other antifungals? Another one to try is Tanalbit,

which are plant tannins.

Nell

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Okay, this sounds vile, but where do you get it, and how do you

give

> > it? Do people react to the charcoal - it is apparently made from

a

> > number of different things (coconut, trees etc) - do you have to

find

> > a kind that has a base you are not reactive to?

>

> I haven't heard of any of these problems before. You can get it at

any

> hfs, either bulk or in capsules. You want to give it about an hour

> after the GSE, but if the die-off symptoms are terrible and really

> uncomfortable I give it as early as a half hour after. It will soak

up

> everything, including the toxins from die-off. You should see a big

> improvement in about 15 minutes. n calls it the Magic Pill and

> used to hold a clock waiting for the 15 minutes to go by.

> >

> > His reactions to the GSE were really odd. He said he would try

to

> > focus and his eyes would go somewhere else (that is one we have

never

> > heard before), and he was very spacey - not being aware of what

was

> > going on around him, stuff like that.

>

> Not sure what to make of that. n's die-off reaction is mostly

> rage (but then that's his reaction to everything, including phenols

> when they were a problem).

>

> Has anyone else had that kind of reaction to GSE?

>

> Have you tried any other antifungals? Another one to try is

Tanalbit,

> which are plant tannins.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

Shoot! My response is lost in cyberspace. I will try to reconstruct.

Nell,

I have not tried any other antifungals. It took a lot of nerve to

work up to trying the GSE (In fact, it took a lot of nerve to work up

to trying the ALA) I did it because Dana said her kids couldn't

tolerate any supplements but could take the GSE. My guy is just

super-reactive to everything. He reacted to the charcoal filter in

an air filter we tried - hence the question about charcoal.

I looked up Tanalbit, but unfortunately it contains casein, and

possibly soy and we can't do those.

I think I may give him a break from the ALA this weekend. This would

be round 5, but he is still kind of all over the map, either due to

the GSE/yeast/phenol, or, more likely, a food reaction. It seems

like it might be good to let his system settle down, and then try the

ALA again mid-week. I will try to muster my courage to try the GSE

again then, and use the charcoal with it.

I do have the oil of oregano, but don't know what to do with it.

I love the " Magic Pill. " Ben is like that with ALA - he LOVES the

way it makes him feel.

Thanks for your advice.

Oh! How much charcoal do you give, and how long is yeast die-off

expected to last? Several days normal?

> >

> > Okay, this sounds vile, but where do you get it, and how do you

give

> > it? Do people react to the charcoal - it is apparently made from

a

> > number of different things (coconut, trees etc) - do you have to

find

> > a kind that has a base you are not reactive to?

>

> I haven't heard of any of these problems before. You can get it at

any

> hfs, either bulk or in capsules. You want to give it about an hour

> after the GSE, but if the die-off symptoms are terrible and really

> uncomfortable I give it as early as a half hour after. It will soak

up

> everything, including the toxins from die-off. You should see a big

> improvement in about 15 minutes. n calls it the Magic Pill and

> used to hold a clock waiting for the 15 minutes to go by.

> >

> > His reactions to the GSE were really odd. He said he would try

to

> > focus and his eyes would go somewhere else (that is one we have

never

> > heard before), and he was very spacey - not being aware of what

was

> > going on around him, stuff like that.

>

> Not sure what to make of that. n's die-off reaction is mostly

> rage (but then that's his reaction to everything, including phenols

> when they were a problem).

>

> Has anyone else had that kind of reaction to GSE?

>

> Have you tried any other antifungals? Another one to try is

Tanalbit,

> which are plant tannins.

>

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

> I looked up Tanalbit, but unfortunately it contains casein, and

> possibly soy and we can't do those.

Dang it.

>

> I think I may give him a break from the ALA this weekend. This would

> be round 5, but he is still kind of all over the map, either due to

> the GSE/yeast/phenol, or, more likely, a food reaction. It seems

> like it might be good to let his system settle down, and then try the

> ALA again mid-week.

I took a ton of breaks the first year of chelating. I was trying to do

every weekend but ended up doing less than 26 rounds for the year.

> I do have the oil of oregano, but don't know what to do with it.

It's very strong, and very phenolic. For n it seemed to work

better on bacteria than on yeast.

How about caprylic acid?

Nell