ALA

[Guest guest]

hi Jackie,

is it safer to start with DMSA in case of recent exposure. I have noticed a lot

of chelating is started with DMSA and then ALA is added later what is the

specific reason for this. What sort of improvements have you seen in your son,

what sort of bad reactions have you seen.

Thanks Tina

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki

can you give me the URL for the chelating kids 2 site

thanks

Tina

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie

can you tell me your sons weight. Sebastian weighs only 14kg.

Tina

[Guest guest]

i too am researching ala and also td dmsa (td ala). im a little confused on

the dosing schedule. i am a list member of the chelating kids 2 and

autism treatment group. both very good lists.

vicki

[Guest guest]

Tina,

Not Dana here, but am chelating with oral DMSA and oral ALA. We have done

20 rounds with DMSA/ALA and we are going to just be doing oral ALA over the

summer. My son did not have recent exposure to mercury prior to chelating,

but we still did the DMSA first for 4 rounds before adding in the ALA. We

dose the every 3 hours around the clock (4 at bedtime) for the three days

and rest for 4 days (every other weekend) using AC protocl. I am curious to

see how my son's fecal heavy metals testing is over the summer months.

Hopefully we will pull more.

Jackie---

> I was wondering whether you could tell me what sort of dosing schedule you

> were using with your children . I have visited the Autism-mercury website

> and found it very useful for all chelating problems. What are the risks

> involved in chelating with ALA since it crosses the BBB. I recently read

> that dosing should be every three to four hours for about three days is

> that how you've done it. What were your experiences with ALA.

> Thanks

> Tina in S-Africa

[Guest guest]

>I think he

> has all the counting rules for mercury poisoning.

>

Hi, if you post the results of the DDI hair test, listmates will go over it with

you.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

Scroll down to the bottom of this page, and see the section on how to post a

hair test.

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

Welcome to the list. Not Andy, but thought I'd comment anyway. ALA once a day

is a bad idea because it causes redistribution. It should be given every 3

hours during the day and every 4 hours at night for 3 days (and nights) in a

row. Blood tests for mercury are not particularly useful. Mercury of any kind

does not belong in the human body. Chelation comes from the Greek word for claw

and the chelators act as claws which grab the mercury (in this case) and escort

it out of the body. Dosing at less than the half life means the chelator starts

to escort the mercury out and drops it somewhere else, brain, for example,

causes more problems.

Sounds like Sebastian would probably benefit from the gluten-free, casein-free

diet, and/or digestive enzymes.

The essentials won't stabilize until you chelate the mercury out. See the

counting rules in the FAQS of this list. Supplementing would be a good idea,

but not necessarily based on the hair test. There's a list of suggested

supplements in the FAQs as well.

Unless he's high copper or has had recent new exposure to mercury you can

chelate with ALA alone (or ALA & DMSA). Andy recommends 1/8-1/2 mg/lb so if

Sebastian weighs 40 lbs you would give 5-20 mg every 3 hours during the day and

every 4 hours at night (metabolism is slower during sleep).

S S

<p>Dear Andy,<br>

<br>

Our third child Sebastian 4y3m reacted badly to vaccines has severe <br>

brain damage as a result. We had a DDI hair elements analysis done <br>

in April this year.<br>

<br>

Aluminium 7.9mcg/g ref <8<br>

Arsenic 0.067mcg/g ref <0.080<br>

Lead 0.93mcg/g ref <1.0<br>

Mercury 1.3mcg/g ref <0.40<br>

Total toxic exposure is on the 90th percentile.<br>

<br>

His essential and other elements are all very low except for zinc <br>

(which could be masked positive) Chromium, Vanadium, Lithium and <br>

iron. Although a recent iron stores blood test revealed low iron. <br>

Molybdenum and Selenium are under the 2.5th percentile. I think he <br>

has all the counting rules for mercury poisoning.<br>

<br>

As we live in South Africa we had the test kit sent from a lab in <br>

Germany and we followed the doctors intructions to give ALA 30mg <br>

once per day for about four weeks. Sebastian got ill with a viral <br>

infection (unrelated to ALA) and with his high temperature up to <br>

40degrees Celsius his body odour came back. He smells like an old <br>

man who has not washed underarm for a long time. Sebastian used to <br>

have this for months at a time as a small baby. Having been on the <br>

Autism mercury site for the first time last week I was alarmed to <br>

read that ALA should not be given longer than two weeks per round <br>

and preferably in smaller doses every 3-4 hours. My concern now is <br>

have we loosened the mercury and therefore the methyl mercury is <br>

high in the blood? Since stopping Sebastian has had what I would <br>

call panic attacks<br>

We had a allergy to mercury blood test done first week of June2006 <br>

and methyl mercury shows up at 4positive whereas ethyl mercury <br>

phenyl mercury and inorganic mercury show up at one <br>

negative.Therefore he is reacting allergically to methyl mercury. <br>

This is all very confusing. Can you explain what is happening? Is <br>

there somwewhere you can direct me to read about the biochemical <br>

changes during chelation What does the chelating agent actually do, <br>

what happens in the brain when giving these chelating agents. what <br>

happens in the blood. I would like to start chelation because I <br>

think there is still great hope for my son. yet I need to know <br>

precisely what I am doing. Sebastian is non verbal is bedridden he <br>

needs to be fed and dressed and massaged all day. He has <br>

inflammatory bowel disease. So I have to be very careful with what I <br>

do to him. He is resilient and robust yet also very fragile.<br>

<br>

Could you please tell me whether I should give supplements for a <br>

while perhaps six months and then do another hair elements test to <br>

see whether his essential elements have stabilized before starting <br>

chelation. What sort of dosage should I follow for Sebastian.<br>

Do I need to start with DMSA or can I give ALA alone. <br>

<br>

I do appreciate your time to reply!!!<br>

<br>

Thank you<br>

Tina<br>

mother to Sebastian<br>

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Dana,

>

> I was wondering whether you could tell me what sort of dosing

schedule you were using with your children .

I started at 25mg 3x per day. This is not the usual protocol which is

recommended on a-m forum, but it worked well for my kids.

>>What are the risks involved in chelating with ALA since it crosses

the BBB.

Some people mention that because it does cross BBB, it can move metal

INTO the brain, as well as OUT of the brain. I never saw symptoms of

this tho.

The only negative I saw was yeast overgrowth, which I kept under

control with GSE.

>>I recently read that dosing should be every three to four hours for

about three days is that how you've done it.

That is the protocol recommended on a-m, which I did not use.

>>What were your experiences with ALA.

My kids did very well with ALA.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Tina,

Using DMSA first will rid the body of any heavy metals in the body. This is

why we chose to use the DMSA first. Again, we did use DMSA and ALA together

after using DMSA for a few rounds by itself. My son made huge gains last

summer. Here is a link to read our progress last September.

http://www.treatingautism.ik.com/ Click on Stories of Hope & JASON Born 1999

Dx PDD-NOS

I really need to do an update with his progress, but I think I will wait

until the end of the summer!

You can also read his progress on Dana's website too:

http://www.danasview.net/pddrecov.htm

We really haven't seen bad reactions unless I increased the DMSA dose too

much. He did throw up in between the dosing and I stopped. IE: I started

him on 7mg of DMSA every 3 hours and when I increased it to 12.5 mgs.... he

wasn't ready for it. I backed it down for a while and then increased again

after 4 rounds.

Once we added the MB12 injections last October.... the changes were even

more remarkable!

HTH,

Jackie---

> hi Jackie,

>

> is it safer to start with DMSA in case of recent exposure. I have noticed

> a lot of chelating is started with DMSA and then ALA is added later what

> is the specific reason for this. What sort of improvements have you seen

> in your son, what sort of bad reactions have you seen.

> Thanks Tina

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/26/2006 1:26:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tinawolf@... writes:

can you give me the URL for the chelating kids 2 site

thanks

Tina

_www.chelatingkids2 _

(http://www.chelatingkids2 )

vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/26/2006 1:11:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

vickila1@... writes:

can you give me the URL for the chelating kids 2 site

thanks

Tina

let me try this again:

_chelatingkids2_

(chelatingkids2)

vicki

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Andy,

>

> Our third child Sebastian 4y3m reacted badly to vaccines has severe

> brain damage as a result. We had a DDI hair elements analysis done

> in April this year.

>

> Aluminium 7.9mcg/g ref <8

> Arsenic 0.067mcg/g ref <0.080

> Lead 0.93mcg/g ref <1.0

> Mercury 1.3mcg/g ref <0.40

> Total toxic exposure is on the 90th percentile.

I'm not Andy, but here are a few comments:

Based on the above, I'd say Sebastian is toxic, but if you post

the full test, we may be able to give you a bit more information.

Or you can use Andy's book " Hair Test Interpretation " to interpret

the test yourself.

> His essential and other elements are all very low except for zinc

> (which could be masked positive) Chromium, Vanadium, Lithium and

> iron. Although a recent iron stores blood test revealed low iron.

> Molybdenum and Selenium are under the 2.5th percentile. I think he

> has all the counting rules for mercury poisoning.

The levels of essential elements do not necessarily indicate

deficiency. It depends on the element and the rest of the hair

test.

> As we live in South Africa we had the test kit sent from a lab in

> Germany and we followed the doctors intructions to give ALA 30mg

> once per day for about four weeks. Sebastian got ill with a viral

> infection (unrelated to ALA) and with his high temperature up to

> 40degrees Celsius his body odour came back. He smells like an old

> man who has not washed underarm for a long time. Sebastian used to

> have this for months at a time as a small baby. Having been on the

> Autism mercury site for the first time last week I was alarmed to

> read that ALA should not be given longer than two weeks per round

> and preferably in smaller doses every 3-4 hours. My concern now is

> have we loosened the mercury and therefore the methyl mercury is

> high in the blood? Since stopping Sebastian has had what I would

> call panic attacks

The once per day dosing of ALA caused redistribution of mercury

in his body/brain. You definitely need to dose every three hours

to prevent this. I'm glad you found this group.

> We had a allergy to mercury blood test done first week of June2006

> and methyl mercury shows up at 4positive whereas ethyl mercury

> phenyl mercury and inorganic mercury show up at one

> negative.Therefore he is reacting allergically to methyl mercury.

> This is all very confusing. Can you explain what is happening? Is

> there somwewhere you can direct me to read about the biochemical

> changes during chelation What does the chelating agent actually do,

> what happens in the brain when giving these chelating agents. what

> happens in the blood. I would like to start chelation because I

> think there is still great hope for my son. yet I need to know

> precisely what I am doing. Sebastian is non verbal is bedridden he

> needs to be fed and dressed and massaged all day. He has

> inflammatory bowel disease. So I have to be very careful with what I

> do to him. He is resilient and robust yet also very fragile.

Each time you give a dose of ALA, not all of the mercury pulled

out by the ALA is removed from the body. A certain amount of

mercury is left behind as that dose " wears off " . If you take

another dose within three hours, the leftover portion gets

picked up by that next dose. If you don't, the leftover portion

settles somewhere else, possibly causing new damage and symptoms.

We take ALA every three hours, including at night, to reduce

this redistribution of metals. Many children who have gotten

worse on improper dosing schedules improve when they get the

chelators every 3 hours.

We also take ALA in lower doses (usually starting 1/8-1/4 mg

per pound) to prevent stirring up too much metals at a time,

and then increase only as tolerated (maximum 1/2 mg per pound).

> Could you please tell me whether I should give supplements for a

> while perhaps six months and then do another hair elements test to

> see whether his essential elements have stabilized before starting

> chelation. What sort of dosage should I follow for Sebastian.

> Do I need to start with DMSA or can I give ALA alone.

No, best to start chelating as soon as possible. The low levels

of essential elements on the hair test are probably due to

deranged mineral transport caused by mercury. You can't tell

from this exactly what is deficient. If you want to get him

better, you need to get him on a good supplement program and start

chelating properly. See the Files section for the Supplement

File and more on the chelation protocol. The ANDY_INDEX is a

good starting point for learning more.

--

> I do appreciate your time to reply!!!

>

> Thank you

> Tina

> mother to Sebastian

>

[Guest guest]

Tina,

Not Andy here, but have you considered the Specific Carbohydrate

Diet for your son? It has helped many people with IBS and many

people with autistic children have found it to be truly beneficial.

You can find information about it at

http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

Also, if you look in the Files section, you will find a file called

supplements. At the end of it are Andy's recommendations for

supping during chelation.

Some people supp with both DMSA and ALA. Some people choose to use

only one or the other. If you think lead is a problem, it may be

best to use both. That is what I do, using more ALA than DMSA

because ALA is easier on the body, but DMSA will pull lead very well

and speed up the chelation process somewhat. If your child has had

recent exposure to mercury, you should start with DMSA.

Best wishes,

Anita

>

> Dear Andy,

>

> Our third child Sebastian 4y3m reacted badly to vaccines has

severe

> brain damage as a result. We had a DDI hair elements analysis done

> in April this year.

>

> Aluminium 7.9mcg/g ref <8

> Arsenic 0.067mcg/g ref <0.080

> Lead 0.93mcg/g ref <1.0

> Mercury 1.3mcg/g ref <0.40

> Total toxic exposure is on the 90th percentile.

>

> His essential and other elements are all very low except for zinc

> (which could be masked positive) Chromium, Vanadium, Lithium and

> iron. Although a recent iron stores blood test revealed low iron.

> Molybdenum and Selenium are under the 2.5th percentile. I think he

> has all the counting rules for mercury poisoning.

>

> As we live in South Africa we had the test kit sent from a lab in

> Germany and we followed the doctors intructions to give ALA 30mg

> once per day for about four weeks. Sebastian got ill with a viral

> infection (unrelated to ALA) and with his high temperature up to

> 40degrees Celsius his body odour came back. He smells like an old

> man who has not washed underarm for a long time. Sebastian used to

> have this for months at a time as a small baby. Having been on the

> Autism mercury site for the first time last week I was alarmed to

> read that ALA should not be given longer than two weeks per round

> and preferably in smaller doses every 3-4 hours. My concern now is

> have we loosened the mercury and therefore the methyl mercury is

> high in the blood? Since stopping Sebastian has had what I would

> call panic attacks

> We had a allergy to mercury blood test done first week of June2006

> and methyl mercury shows up at 4positive whereas ethyl mercury

> phenyl mercury and inorganic mercury show up at one

> negative.Therefore he is reacting allergically to methyl mercury.

> This is all very confusing. Can you explain what is happening? Is

> there somwewhere you can direct me to read about the biochemical

> changes during chelation What does the chelating agent actually

do,

> what happens in the brain when giving these chelating agents. what

> happens in the blood. I would like to start chelation because I

> think there is still great hope for my son. yet I need to know

> precisely what I am doing. Sebastian is non verbal is bedridden he

> needs to be fed and dressed and massaged all day. He has

> inflammatory bowel disease. So I have to be very careful with what

I

> do to him. He is resilient and robust yet also very fragile.

>

> Could you please tell me whether I should give supplements for a

> while perhaps six months and then do another hair elements test to

> see whether his essential elements have stabilized before starting

> chelation. What sort of dosage should I follow for Sebastian.

> Do I need to start with DMSA or can I give ALA alone.

>

> I do appreciate your time to reply!!!

>

> Thank you

> Tina

> mother to Sebastian

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi All,

>

> thanks for all the responses. How do I know if Sebastian has been

recently exposed. So if I understand correctly I can start with ALA if

Sebastian has had no recent exposure.

Recent exposure means recent vaccines or other products containing

thimerasol, amalgam dental fillings, consumption of fish or sea

products that might contain mercury.

You said something about high methyl mercury in the blood. Can you

elaborate?

> Sebastian has been basically off dairy since he started vomitting as

a small baby after giving goats milk. We recently tried a little cow's

milk joghurt and goat milk joghurt but I somehow instinctively stopped

again. We have just also done a Combo food allergy test which I am

happy to have done because it lets me know what Sebastian can tolerate,

> Tina

Diet makes a big difference for some kids. In addition to GFCF

diets, some kids may respond to any of low sulfur, low phenol,

or other dietary exclusions.

--

[Guest guest]

I really need to see more detail about the test if you want me to say

something about it. I am just taking your word it meets the counting

rules here, the toxics are not surprising or notable.

Don't worry about what you already did, worry about what to do next.

Chelate properly, don't use ALA improperly again.

Books describing this include my 2 books

Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities,

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

and

Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment

www.noamalgam.com

The smell and bowel issues suggest he may not have normal healthy

microorganisms in his gut, which can be helped using probiotics and

certain dietary restrictions. You might look at the specific

carbohydrate diet and see if you think you can use that with him.

www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

I doubt the allergy testing contains useful information for your

situation.

The biggest mistake I see is people messing with supportive

interventions for a long time before chelating. Vitamins and diet for

a month is more than enough preparation.

Andy

> Our third child Sebastian 4y3m reacted badly to vaccines has severe

> brain damage as a result. We had a DDI hair elements analysis done

> in April this year.

>

> Aluminium 7.9mcg/g ref <8

> Arsenic 0.067mcg/g ref <0.080

> Lead 0.93mcg/g ref <1.0

> Mercury 1.3mcg/g ref <0.40

> Total toxic exposure is on the 90th percentile.

>

> His essential and other elements are all very low except for zinc

> (which could be masked positive) Chromium, Vanadium, Lithium and

> iron. Although a recent iron stores blood test revealed low iron.

> Molybdenum and Selenium are under the 2.5th percentile. I think he

> has all the counting rules for mercury poisoning.

>

> As we live in South Africa we had the test kit sent from a lab in

> Germany and we followed the doctors intructions to give ALA 30mg

> once per day for about four weeks. Sebastian got ill with a viral

> infection (unrelated to ALA) and with his high temperature up to

> 40degrees Celsius his body odour came back. He smells like an old

> man who has not washed underarm for a long time. Sebastian used to

> have this for months at a time as a small baby. Having been on the

> Autism mercury site for the first time last week I was alarmed to

> read that ALA should not be given longer than two weeks per round

> and preferably in smaller doses every 3-4 hours. My concern now is

> have we loosened the mercury and therefore the methyl mercury is

> high in the blood? Since stopping Sebastian has had what I would

> call panic attacks

> We had a allergy to mercury blood test done first week of June2006

> and methyl mercury shows up at 4positive whereas ethyl mercury

> phenyl mercury and inorganic mercury show up at one

> negative.Therefore he is reacting allergically to methyl mercury.

> This is all very confusing. Can you explain what is happening? Is

> there somwewhere you can direct me to read about the biochemical

> changes during chelation What does the chelating agent actually do,

> what happens in the brain when giving these chelating agents. what

> happens in the blood. I would like to start chelation because I

> think there is still great hope for my son. yet I need to know

> precisely what I am doing. Sebastian is non verbal is bedridden he

> needs to be fed and dressed and massaged all day. He has

> inflammatory bowel disease. So I have to be very careful with what I

> do to him. He is resilient and robust yet also very fragile.

>

> Could you please tell me whether I should give supplements for a

> while perhaps six months and then do another hair elements test to

> see whether his essential elements have stabilized before starting

> chelation. What sort of dosage should I follow for Sebastian.

> Do I need to start with DMSA or can I give ALA alone.

>

> I do appreciate your time to reply!!!

>

> Thank you

> Tina

> mother to Sebastian

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Can i start using ala if i haven't removed amalgams yet.

No. You can't use any chelator until the amalgams are out. For ALA you

need to wait at least 3 months after amalgam removal.

> What dose and

> frequency should i use.

1/8 to 1/2 mg per lb of body weight. Start low. Take every 3 hours for

at least 3 days, take as many days off before the next round.

Go to the Files of this list and read more detailed instructions and

explanations.

> What would ppl recommend for stomach

> aches/bloating/gurgling/wind

Houston enzymes and probably GSE for yeast treatment, for starters.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Can i start using ala if i haven't removed amalgams yet.

Bad idea - will make you worse.

What dose and

> frequency should i use.

Focus on getting on starting a good supplement program. You

can find more information at:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

What would ppl recommend for stomach

> aches/bloating/gurgling/wind

Depends on the cause. If it is intestinal, then the I'd say the

most likely cause is dysbiosis and treatment with probiotics,

antifungals, and/or antibacterial agents might be helpful. If

it is stomach/upper GI, then treating stomach acid and/or

inflammation would be helpful. Could be some of both, too.

--

> zyan

>

[Guest guest]

Do NOT use anything that is or claims to be a chelator if you have ANY mercury

amalgam dental fillings.

S S

<br>

><br>

> <br>

> Can i start using ala if i haven't removed amalgams yet. <br>

<br>

Bad idea - will make you worse.<br>

<br>

What dose and <br>

> frequency should i use. <br>

<br>

Focus on getting on starting a good supplement program. You <br>

can find more information at: <br>

<a

href= " http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ " >http://home.<wbr>earthlink.<wbr>net/~m\

oriam/</a> <br>

<br>

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[Guest guest]

>

>

> Can i start using ala if i haven't removed amalgams yet.

This is not generally recommended.

>>What would ppl recommend for stomach

> aches/bloating/gurgling/wind

Depends on the cause. These symptoms are commonly caused by food

intolerance and/or yeast overgrowth. So enzymes and/or probiotics

would be good to start with.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Am I remembering correctly that someone on this list is using ALA only

> for metal detox??

I used only ALA for my kids. They are finished chelating tho, so I no

longer use it.

>> If so, can someone give me the dosages [amount

> and how often] that is recommended when doing ALA alone [seems I

> remember reading that you don't have to do the dosages throughout

> the day/night??].

Most people on this message list, recommend giving ALA every 3 hours,

4 hours overnight. I gave it to my kids 3x per day without problems.

I started most of them at 25mg per dose, and worked up from there.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Am I remembering correctly that someone on this list is using ALA only

> for metal detox??

There are many reports of chelation with ALA only in archives.

> If so, can someone give me the dosages [amount

> and how often] that is recommended when doing ALA alone

Dose frequency and dose range here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html#frequency

[seems I

> remember reading that you don't have to do the dosages throughout

> the day/night??].

>

You DO have to give the dosages every 3 h INCLUDING at night. It is

usually ok extend the dose interval to 4 h at night in order to get

more sleep (some prefer the 3 h interval at night too).

> Also, does anyone here use EDTA for detoxing metals?

>

EDTA is not advised, nor is it useful, for anyone with mercury as part

of the toxicity. EDTA has been used for lead, but DMSA is prefered.

J

> Thanks,

> Ginny

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is ALA the same as flax seed oil?

[Guest guest]

> Can I start using ALA with my daughter, prior to DMSA?

The only chelator I used, was ALA. So in my opinion, DMSA is optional.

>>Also, is there a brand that you would recommend over the others?

I have used Natural Factors brand and also Kirkman hypoallergenic brand.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, I really wanted to try ALA on my kids but I've read that you have

> to make sure that you have already eliminated the yeast before using

> it.

There is no need to eliminate yeast before using ALA (in fact it is

impossible to eliminate yeast).

The problem is that many people use ALA on an improper protocol

(taking doses at anything greater than every 3 h during the day and 4

h at night) and use doses that are too high for the person. That

leads to redistribution and the redistributed metals are what

contribute to what is commonly referred to as 'increased yeast'.

I'm now treating my sons with different yeast product I'm trying

> to rotate them, and I stopped all the other supplements while treating

> their yeast I've seen positive result with my other son, but not so

> much with the other. But how can you tell if they are already yeast

> free?

They will never be yeast free.

Their eye contact really improved when I used glutathione on

> them and I've read before on previous post that glutathione can

> actually help eliminate mercury. I'm wondering if using ALA will have

> greater positive result. But then I've read that it has some possible

> risks because it's the only chelation product that actually crosses

> the brain. If so, what are the possible risks?

The risk is that it can move metals **into** the brain **when it is

used improperly**. If ALA is used as indicated in " Andy's " protocol

the ALA will move metals **out** of the brain and the body.

If I am to use the

> topical creams first, would it be as effective as other chelation

> product and what are the possible side effects?

The topical creams are a new thing that haven't been studied or used

by many people, so the risks are increased.

Possible side effects of ALA chelation are mentioned in Andy's

" Amalgam Illness " book. Side effects are completely controlled by

choosing the right dose. In other words there will be a dose where

there are no side effects, a slightly higher dose where side effects

are manageable, and a slightly higher dose where side effects are

extreme. Using a starting dose of 1/8 mg per pound is usually ok for

most people. Andy always says to adjust the dose up or down depending

on side effects. His two books are really very helpful for anyone

considering chelation.

J

Thanks in advance

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , what if you use ALA as liver support only, like using it 1x a day

only, would that make the toxicity worst? Also is it advisable to eliminate the

possible virus first before

treating metal toxicity? Thanks again

<lindajaytee@...> wrote:

>

> Hi, I really wanted to try ALA on my kids but I've read that you have

> to make sure that you have already eliminated the yeast before using

> it.

There is no need to eliminate yeast before using ALA (in fact it is

impossible to eliminate yeast).

The problem is that many people use ALA on an improper protocol

(taking doses at anything greater than every 3 h during the day and 4

h at night) and use doses that are too high for the person. That

leads to redistribution and the redistributed metals are what

contribute to what is commonly referred to as 'increased yeast'.

I'm now treating my sons with different yeast product I'm trying

> to rotate them, and I stopped all the other supplements while treating

> their yeast I've seen positive result with my other son, but not so

> much with the other. But how can you tell if they are already yeast

> free?

They will never be yeast free.

Their eye contact really improved when I used glutathione on

> them and I've read before on previous post that glutathione can

> actually help eliminate mercury. I'm wondering if using ALA will have

> greater positive result. But then I've read that it has some possible

> risks because it's the only chelation product that actually crosses

> the brain. If so, what are the possible risks?

The risk is that it can move metals **into** the brain **when it is

used improperly**. If ALA is used as indicated in " Andy's " protocol

the ALA will move metals **out** of the brain and the body.

If I am to use the

> topical creams first, would it be as effective as other chelation

> product and what are the possible side effects?

The topical creams are a new thing that haven't been studied or used

by many people, so the risks are increased.

Possible side effects of ALA chelation are mentioned in Andy's

" Amalgam Illness " book. Side effects are completely controlled by

choosing the right dose. In other words there will be a dose where

there are no side effects, a slightly higher dose where side effects

are manageable, and a slightly higher dose where side effects are

extreme. Using a starting dose of 1/8 mg per pound is usually ok for

most people. Andy always says to adjust the dose up or down depending

on side effects. His two books are really very helpful for anyone

considering chelation.

J

Thanks in advance

>

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