Re: Cholesterol too low? LDL too low?MARK SCHAUSS

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

Have you read The Cholesterol Myths? Is what you wrote below

basically what it says in the book? No wonder I have very little

faith in the medical community anymore! Do you know of a way to

raise cholesterol if it is too low? So it sounds like we are right

not to treat my husband high cholesterol.

> > >

> > > Pam,

> > >

> > > I think you are either fortunate or have worked hard to have

the

> > numbers

> > > you do. I am aware of the link you are citing, but I think

most

> > experts

> > > interpret it the other way around, that is that people with

> > depression

> > > are likely to have decreased appetite (one of the cardinal

> > vegetative

> > > signs of depression) and consequently could exhibit low

> > cholesterol. So

> > > while you could probably eat junk food with more impunity than

> > most of

> > > us, you don't have to.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > >

> > > From:

> > > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> noaholiviaian

> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:39 PM

> > >

> > > Subject: [ ] Cholesterol too low? LDL too low?

> > >

> > >

> > > HI,

> > >

> > > I just got some blood work back that was done for a life

> insurance

> > > policy application process. They checked the total

cholesterol,

> > > HDL, LDL and their ratio (amongst other things).

> > >

> > > My total cholesterol was low (150). HDL was high end of normal

> > > reference range (78; ref range 35-80 mg/dl) and LDL was low

(63;

> > ref

> > > range 90-171 mg/dl). The LDL/HDL ratio was a .8, which is also

> > low

> > > out of the reference range of 1.5-5.5.

> > >

> > > I thought, " Cool. " I then Googled a little bit and came up

with

> > > some info linking low total cholesterol and low LDL to

> depression

> > > and anxiety. Those are two things that have plagued me for

> > decades.

> > >

> > > Anybody else heard of this link? If so, should I take measures

> to

> > > increase my LDL? Should I start eating like crap?

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

I actually met Dr. Ravnskov and had the absolute pleasure of spending time

with him. He has a great deal of knowledge in the field and puts forth very

compelling arguments. His book is on my shelf but I can't honestly say I

have read it cover to cover. Dr. Abramson's Overdo$ed America is another

one that is an absolute must read. It contains very strong research based

arguments against the flippant use of statins and many other drugs. This

comes from an MD who was a professor of medicine at Harvard, so he is not

your typical alternative health practitioner.

Still, your comment about not treating your husband's high cholesterol may

not be quite right. I am not a physician so this is purely an opinion of

mine and not medical advice. The definition of high cholesterol should be

looked at first, your husbands age second, a family history of CVD and

whether he has had any heart issues should all be looked at. A fully

informed MD is the right place to go, but your interest in being educated as

well will help make the right choice. It may well benefit your husband to

be on statins.

Mark

www.markschauss.com

[ ] Cholesterol too low? LDL too low?

> > >

> > >

> > > HI,

> > >

> > > I just got some blood work back that was done for a life

> insurance

> > > policy application process. They checked the total

cholesterol,

> > > HDL, LDL and their ratio (amongst other things).

> > >

> > > My total cholesterol was low (150). HDL was high end of normal

> > > reference range (78; ref range 35-80 mg/dl) and LDL was low

(63;

> > ref

> > > range 90-171 mg/dl). The LDL/HDL ratio was a .8, which is also

> > low

> > > out of the reference range of 1.5-5.5.

> > >

> > > I thought, " Cool. " I then Googled a little bit and came up

with

> > > some info linking low total cholesterol and low LDL to

> depression

> > > and anxiety. Those are two things that have plagued me for

> > decades.

> > >

> > > Anybody else heard of this link? If so, should I take measures

> to

> > > increase my LDL? Should I start eating like crap?

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

After I reread your email I realized you were talking about the

author of the book -sorry. I am not opposed to treating my

husband's high cholesterol. I just told him that he should read the

book and do a little homework before taking his mds advice to use

the rx. With no family history of problems, he hasn't made it a

priority but it still concerns me. Thanks for your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > Pam,

> > > >

> > > > I think you are either fortunate or have worked hard to have

> the

> > > numbers

> > > > you do. I am aware of the link you are citing, but I think

> most

> > > experts

> > > > interpret it the other way around, that is that people with

> > > depression

> > > > are likely to have decreased appetite (one of the cardinal

> > > vegetative

> > > > signs of depression) and consequently could exhibit low

> > > cholesterol. So

> > > > while you could probably eat junk food with more impunity

than

> > > most of

> > > > us, you don't have to.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > >

> > > > From:

> > > > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> > noaholiviaian

> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:39 PM

> > > >

> > > > Subject: [ ] Cholesterol too low? LDL too low?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > HI,

> > > >

> > > > I just got some blood work back that was done for a life

> > insurance

> > > > policy application process. They checked the total

> cholesterol,

> > > > HDL, LDL and their ratio (amongst other things).

> > > >

> > > > My total cholesterol was low (150). HDL was high end of

normal

> > > > reference range (78; ref range 35-80 mg/dl) and LDL was low

> (63;

> > > ref

> > > > range 90-171 mg/dl). The LDL/HDL ratio was a .8, which is

also

> > > low

> > > > out of the reference range of 1.5-5.5.

> > > >

> > > > I thought, " Cool. " I then Googled a little bit and came up

> with

> > > > some info linking low total cholesterol and low LDL to

> > depression

> > > > and anxiety. Those are two things that have plagued me for

> > > decades.

> > > >

> > > > Anybody else heard of this link? If so, should I take

measures

> > to

> > > > increase my LDL? Should I start eating like crap?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!

> > > >

> > > > Pam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > =======================================================

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Just found an interesting article for anyone looking to lower blood

cholesterol without using meds. You will have to copy and paste the entire

url into your browser but it may be worth it.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/cabi/bjn/2006/00000095/00000005/art000

08?token=004f100d264f65263a3d4f58762f467c405847447b235b2f2a732576573a5f52766

b0adc740c47d

Mark Schauss

www.markschauss.com

[ ] Cholesterol too low? LDL too low?

> > >

> > >

> > > HI,

> > >

> > > I just got some blood work back that was done for a life

> insurance

> > > policy application process. They checked the total

cholesterol,

> > > HDL, LDL and their ratio (amongst other things).

> > >

> > > My total cholesterol was low (150). HDL was high end of normal

> > > reference range (78; ref range 35-80 mg/dl) and LDL was low

(63;

> > ref

> > > range 90-171 mg/dl). The LDL/HDL ratio was a .8, which is also

> > low

> > > out of the reference range of 1.5-5.5.

> > >

> > > I thought, " Cool. " I then Googled a little bit and came up

with

> > > some info linking low total cholesterol and low LDL to

> depression

> > > and anxiety. Those are two things that have plagued me for

> > decades.

> > >

> > > Anybody else heard of this link? If so, should I take measures

> to

> > > increase my LDL? Should I start eating like crap?

> > >

> > > Thanks!

> > >

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

It's Me: Low Cholesterol, Depressed Gal.

I'm wondering if I should make an effort to raise this total

cholesterol number. In the past, it has been as low as 113 (I've

been tested about 5 times in the past 10 years due to first

trimester pregnancy testing). This new total cholesterol of 150 is

actually as high as it ever has been (123 in January '06).

I've been taking about 1 gram EFAs (fish oil) daily for about 18

months. Anything else I can do?

Personally, I take some comfort in knowing my cardiac health is

protected by my low numbers. Triglycerides are also very low. I

would love to enjoy my long life MORE by alleviating this nagging

depression. I'm not willing to go back on antidepressants at this

point.

Thanks for the discussion.

Pam

>

> Just found an interesting article for anyone looking to lower blood

> cholesterol without using meds. You will have to copy and paste

the entire

> url into your browser but it may be worth it.

>

>

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/cabi/bjn/2006/00000095/00000005

/art000

> 08?

token=004f100d264f65263a3d4f58762f467c405847447b235b2f2a732576573a5f5

2766

> b0adc740c47d

>

> Mark Schauss

> www.markschauss.com

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

How many mercury amalgam dental fillings do you have?

S S

Hi,<BR>

<BR>

It's Me:  Low Cholesterol, Depressed Gal.<BR>

<BR>

I'm wondering if I should make an effort to raise this total <BR>

cholesterol number.  In the past, it has been as low as 113 (I've <BR>

been tested about 5 times in the past 10 years due to first <BR>

trimester pregnancy testing).  This new total cholesterol of 150 is <BR>

actually as high as it ever has been (123 in January '06).<BR>

<BR>

I've been taking about 1 gram EFAs (fish oil) daily for about 18 <BR>

months.  Anything else I can do?<BR>

<BR>

Personally, I take some comfort in knowing my cardiac health is <BR>

protected by my low numbers.  Triglycerides are also very low.  I <BR>

would love to enjoy my long life MORE by alleviating this nagging <BR>

depression.  I'm not willing to go back on antidepressants at this <BR>

point.<BR>

<BR>

Thanks for the discussion.<BR>

<BR>

Pam<BR>

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[Guest guest]

I'm also a low cholesterol person, with both personal and

family history of low cholesterol, depression, anxiety, and

other mental health issues. I think there's no harm in us

cholesterol-challenged people eating a certain amount of the

foods that cause problems for those with high cholesterol,

such as animal fats. I would not be surprised if it helps.

Here is Dr. Weil's opinion (a few years old, so don't

know his current opinion) on low cholesterol:

http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA43423/

I think the comment by one researcher that " brain cells with low

levels of cholesterol may have fewer than normal receptors for the

mood-elevating neurotransmitter serotonin " is interesting. Since

SSRI drugs increase the number of receptors (if I remember right),

they would be helpful with this. That's not a recommendation

(my own experience with SSRIs attests to the problems with these

drugs) but I found it interesting.

--

> >

> > Just found an interesting article for anyone looking to lower blood

> > cholesterol without using meds. You will have to copy and paste

> the entire

> > url into your browser but it may be worth it.

> >

> >

> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/cabi/bjn/2006/00000095/00000005

> /art000

> > 08?

> token=004f100d264f65263a3d4f58762f467c405847447b235b2f2a732576573a5f5

> 2766

> > b0adc740c47d

> >

> > Mark Schauss

> > www.markschauss.com

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Zero. I had about 11 of them removed (safely)in December 2004.

Pam

>

> Hi,<BR>

> <BR>

> It's Me:  Low Cholesterol, Depressed Gal.<BR>

> <BR>

> I'm wondering if I should make an effort to raise this total <BR>

> cholesterol number.  In the past, it has been as low as 113 (I've

<BR>

> been tested about 5 times in the past 10 years due to first <BR>

> trimester pregnancy testing).  This new total cholesterol of 150

is <BR>

> actually as high as it ever has been (123 in January '06).<BR>

> <BR>

> I've been taking about 1 gram EFAs (fish oil) daily for about 18

<BR>

> months.  Anything else I can do?<BR>

> <BR>

> Personally, I take some comfort in knowing my cardiac health is

<BR>

> protected by my low numbers.  Triglycerides are also very low.  I

<BR>

> would love to enjoy my long life MORE by alleviating this nagging

<BR>

> depression.  I'm not willing to go back on antidepressants at this

<BR>

> point.<BR>

> <BR>

> Thanks for the discussion.<BR>

> <BR>

> Pam<BR>

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com

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>

[Guest guest]

Thanks,

I'll be sure to take a look at this link when I have some more time.

I've taken the prescription drugs off and on for about 18 years.

Started with tricyclics and ended with Effexor. Getting off of

Effexor was such a nightmare experience; it has spooked me about

ever taking SSRIs again. The tricyclics were easy to stop, but the

side effects (extreme constipation) were totally undesireable.

Honestly, I feel better OFF of the antidepressants than I usually

felt on them. Taking high dose EPA has helped (fish oil; 1 gram

daily), though I wonder if I need a higher dose? I have more

fatigue these days, which I believe might be related to chelation

(oral ALA) and perhaps not supplementing something that I should be

supplementing. I also had my amalgams removed about 18 months ago.

A lot has changed (I'm older, too!).

Thanks again,

Pam

> > >

> > > Just found an interesting article for anyone looking to lower

blood

> > > cholesterol without using meds. You will have to copy and

paste

> > the entire

> > > url into your browser but it may be worth it.

> > >

> > >

> >

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/cabi/bjn/2006/00000095/00000005

> > /art000

> > > 08?

> >

token=004f100d264f65263a3d4f58762f467c405847447b235b2f2a732576573a5f5

> > 2766

> > > b0adc740c47d

> > >

> > > Mark Schauss

> > > www.markschauss.com

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think I read on this list that Lecithin is supposed to help with

absorption of the EFA and Omega3 ....

Neil

[ ] Re: Cholesterol too low? LDL too low?MARK SCHAUSS

Hi,

It's Me: Low Cholesterol, Depressed Gal.

I'm wondering if I should make an effort to raise this total

cholesterol number. In the past, it has been as low as 113 (I've

been tested about 5 times in the past 10 years due to first

trimester pregnancy testing). This new total cholesterol of 150 is

actually as high as it ever has been (123 in January '06).

I've been taking about 1 gram EFAs (fish oil) daily for about 18

months. Anything else I can do?

Personally, I take some comfort in knowing my cardiac health is

protected by my low numbers. Triglycerides are also very low. I

would love to enjoy my long life MORE by alleviating this nagging

depression. I'm not willing to go back on antidepressants at this

point.

Thanks for the discussion.

Pam

>

> Just found an interesting article for anyone looking to lower blood

> cholesterol without using meds. You will have to copy and paste

the entire

> url into your browser but it may be worth it.

>

>

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/cabi/bjn/2006/00000095/00000005

/art000

> 08?

token=004f100d264f65263a3d4f58762f467c405847447b235b2f2a732576573a5f5

2766

> b0adc740c47d

>

> Mark Schauss

> www.markschauss.com

>

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