Re: odd change in behaviors following round 9?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jan,

Still sounds like yeast to me. We always knew yeast was a problem when she

couldn't settle down and go to sleep at night even when tired. Give more yeast

stuff. I wish now I would have bought stock in a probiotic company.

This is how chelation goes. Some stuff gets better, some gets worse. Some gets

better, then fades, back and forth and back and forth. We laughed here because

in the beginning she had hypersensitive hearing. It would leave for a month,

someone would say that it was nice it was gone, and then it would come back.

This must have happened three times until it left for good.

Is he going to a regular preK or a special needs? Whether it is either, no

doubt they are aware of his strengths and weaknesses, just mention it casually

(yea right!) and let them take care of it. You'd be surprised at all the tricks

those teachers have up their sleeves. Quite remarkable to watch them, and I

spent many hours watching her in preschool as they had one of those neat little

one way mirrors.

If he's anything like ours, he'll make you sweat it out til about two days

before school and then put his clothes on and never do it again.

[ ] odd change in behaviors following round 9?

My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues off

and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the first

day but we have accepted this.

Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey etc. He

is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of the

supps.

He has also been having problems with his temper, non compliance,

hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin since

the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is no

longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and just

can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired, which

might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the melatonin

a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is going to

sleep better now.

Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and such?

He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after round

one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be huge

except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will not go

over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

[Guest guest]

Thanks...I will up the GSE again. And its a regular pre-k, full day

thingy. The district and doc's are wary of how he will do because it

is a long day, and his impulse control is low, but they want to try

it as it's one of the best pre-k programs. If he doesn't do well,

then they will change him.

Man, we can't seem to beat the yeast lately.

Do you think I should skip chelation this week and go after yeast

with a vengence and see how he is for next round?

>

> Hi Jan,

>

> Still sounds like yeast to me. We always knew yeast was a problem

when she couldn't settle down and go to sleep at night even when

tired. Give more yeast stuff. I wish now I would have bought stock

in a probiotic company.

>

> This is how chelation goes. Some stuff gets better, some gets

worse. Some gets better, then fades, back and forth and back and

forth. We laughed here because in the beginning she had

hypersensitive hearing. It would leave for a month, someone would

say that it was nice it was gone, and then it would come back. This

must have happened three times until it left for good.

>

> Is he going to a regular preK or a special needs? Whether it is

either, no doubt they are aware of his strengths and weaknesses,

just mention it casually (yea right!) and let them take care of it.

You'd be surprised at all the tricks those teachers have up their

sleeves. Quite remarkable to watch them, and I spent many hours

watching her in preschool as they had one of those neat little one

way mirrors.

>

> If he's anything like ours, he'll make you sweat it out til about

two days before school and then put his clothes on and never do it

again.

>

>

>

>

> [ ] odd change in behaviors following

round 9?

>

>

> My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues

off

> and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

> with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the

first

> day but we have accepted this.

> Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

> when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

> touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey etc.

He

> is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of

the

> supps.

> He has also been having problems with his temper, non

compliance,

> hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin

since

> the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is

no

> longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and

just

> can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired,

which

> might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the

melatonin

> a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is going

to

> sleep better now.

> Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and such?

> He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after

round

> one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be

huge

> except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will not

go

> over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know I have heard others say that they did hold off to get the yeast under

control, as a lot of yeast will mask progress. So he's still showing progress

with lots of yeast, he must really be doing well. So, IMO, that is what I would

do. Go get it.

Good luck,

[ ] odd change in behaviors following

round 9?

>

>

> My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues

off

> and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

> with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the

first

> day but we have accepted this.

> Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

> when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

> touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey etc.

He

> is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of

the

> supps.

> He has also been having problems with his temper, non

compliance,

> hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin

since

> the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is

no

> longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and

just

> can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired,

which

> might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the

melatonin

> a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is going

to

> sleep better now.

> Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and such?

> He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after

round

> one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be

huge

> except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will not

go

> over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

> when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

> touching his privates.

Both of these behaviors meant yeast overgrowth for my son.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>He

> is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of the

> supps.

Jan, a friend of mine who is chelating her son recently said she is staying on

top of the

yeast better by dosing less GSE, but dosing more frequently. So, instead of

larger doses,

2x/day, going to smaller doses 4-5x/day.

HTH,

in Illinois

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Would he do just pants and no shirt or socks?

My son was a real sensory kid but could tolerate the pants as long as he didn't

need to do shirts. He usually goes without shirts at home.

Barb

[ ] odd change in behaviors following round 9?

My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues off

and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the first

day but we have accepted this.

Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey etc. He

is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of the

supps.

He has also been having problems with his temper, non compliance,

hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin since

the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is no

longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and just

can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired, which

might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the melatonin

a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is going to

sleep better now.

Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and such?

He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after round

one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be huge

except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will not go

over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

[Guest guest]

Jan

This works better for us too - smaller, more frequent doses of GSE

during the round. This is where the drops come in handy so you can

easily give the smaller doses.

Sheresa

>

> >He

> > is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of

the

> > supps.

>

> Jan, a friend of mine who is chelating her son recently said she is

staying on top of the

> yeast better by dosing less GSE, but dosing more frequently. So,

instead of larger doses,

> 2x/day, going to smaller doses 4-5x/day.

>

> HTH,

>

> in Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

We skipped underwear for several years, and always very loose cotton

shirts (of course, no tags).

>

>

>

> Would he do just pants and no shirt or socks?

>

> My son was a real sensory kid but could tolerate the pants as long

as he didn't need to do shirts. He usually goes without shirts at

home.

>

> Barb

> [ ] odd change in behaviors following round

9?

>

>

> My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues off

> and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

> with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the

first

> day but we have accepted this.

> Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

> when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

> touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey etc.

He

> is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of

the

> supps.

> He has also been having problems with his temper, non compliance,

> hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin since

> the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is no

> longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and

just

> can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired,

which

> might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the

melatonin

> a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is going

to

> sleep better now.

> Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and such?

> He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after

round

> one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be huge

> except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will not

go

> over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

He will do a large shirt but no pants. However, this doesn't help

limit his acess to the fun zone...

Hopefully, it will pass soon..

>

> Jan,

>

> Would he do just pants and no shirt or socks?

>

> My son was a real sensory kid but could tolerate the pants as long

as he didn't need to do shirts. He usually goes without shirts at

home.

>

> Barb

> [ ] odd change in behaviors following

round 9?

>

>

> My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues

off

> and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

> with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the

first

> day but we have accepted this.

> Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

> when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

> touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey etc.

He

> is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of

the

> supps.

> He has also been having problems with his temper, non

compliance,

> hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin

since

> the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is

no

> longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and

just

> can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired,

which

> might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the

melatonin

> a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is going

to

> sleep better now.

> Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and such?

> He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after

round

> one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be

huge

> except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will not

go

> over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I will have to see what I can figure out, as he takes the tablets

ground up in juice. And we cannot give it when we give probiotics,

so that knocks out two of the four dosing times. I would have to put

it in something. He won't take drops. Gee, maybe they should start

to sell GSE gummi's!

> >

> > >He

> > > is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest

of

> the

> > > supps.

> >

> > Jan, a friend of mine who is chelating her son recently said she

is

> staying on top of the

> > yeast better by dosing less GSE, but dosing more frequently.

So,

> instead of larger doses,

> > 2x/day, going to smaller doses 4-5x/day.

> >

> > HTH,

> >

> > in Illinois

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We went to no underwear for a few years when my son started taking

them off and hiding them. Just pants (thin cotton) and very loose

cotton shirts without tags. He also loved (still does at 12) any

lightweight, silky material. Rayon Hawaiian shirts used to work

pretty well. Maybe if you put him in something he like the feel of?

-- In , " jromkema " <jromkema@...> wrote:

>

> Jan,

>

> Would he do just pants and no shirt or socks?

>

> My son was a real sensory kid but could tolerate the pants as long

as he didn't need to do shirts. He usually goes without shirts at

home.

>

> Barb

> [ ] odd change in behaviors following round

9?

>

>

> My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues off

> and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

> with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the

first

> day but we have accepted this.

> Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

> when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

> touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey etc.

He

> is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of

the

> supps.

> He has also been having problems with his temper, non compliance,

> hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin since

> the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is no

> longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and

just

> can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired,

which

> might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the

melatonin

> a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is going

to

> sleep better now.

> Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and such?

> He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after

round

> one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be huge

> except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will not

go

> over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > >He

> > > > is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest

> of

> > the

> > > > supps.

> > >

> > > Jan, a friend of mine who is chelating her son recently said she

> is

> > staying on top of the

> > > yeast better by dosing less GSE, but dosing more frequently.

> So,

> > instead of larger doses,

> > > 2x/day, going to smaller doses 4-5x/day.

> > >

> > > HTH,

> > >

> > > in Illinois

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>Jan,

I am sure you have thought of this but sometimes it was the underwear

that caused the problem. Would he wear pants with no underwear etc?.

WE tried the Hanes underwear which my son will usually wear if we make

sure they are straight not twisted in any way so as not to cause any

type of indention in the skin.

>

> Would he do just pants and no shirt or socks?

>

> My son was a real sensory kid but could tolerate the pants as long

as he didn't need to do shirts. He usually goes without shirts at home.

>

> Barb

> [ ] odd change in behaviors following round 9?

>

>

> My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues off

> and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

> with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the first

> day but we have accepted this.

> Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing clothes

> when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

> touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey etc. He

> is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest of the

> supps.

> He has also been having problems with his temper, non compliance,

> hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin since

> the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is no

> longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and just

> can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired, which

> might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the melatonin

> a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is going to

> sleep better now.

> Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and such?

> He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after round

> one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be huge

> except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will not go

> over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I usually mix 2-3 drops into the first nighttime chelation dose, then

give a probiotic with the next night time dose. If you were able to

divide your tablet into 3 or 4 sections instead of 2 then you might

be able to do something like that. I find that giving some GSE

during the night, instead of only during the day, is very helpful at

keeping the yeast under control while on a round.

Also, the gummies would be a big hit at my house!

Sheresa

> > >

> > > >He

> > > > is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the

rest

> of

> > the

> > > > supps.

> > >

> > > Jan, a friend of mine who is chelating her son recently said

she

> is

> > staying on top of the

> > > yeast better by dosing less GSE, but dosing more frequently.

> So,

> > instead of larger doses,

> > > 2x/day, going to smaller doses 4-5x/day.

> > >

> > > HTH,

> > >

> > > in Illinois

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, ok , that is similar to what we are doing. I grind up the

tablets into powder and give some powder with each dose for the

entire round. I then continue with regular GSE dosing when the round

is over.

I will try to give GSE more frequently when we are not on a round. I

did up his tablets yesterday and we are noticing a difference in

behavior. Maybe that's partly the melatonin allowing him to sleep at

night too! Thanks for the suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > >He

> > > > > is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the

> rest

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > supps.

> > > >

> > > > Jan, a friend of mine who is chelating her son recently said

> she

> > is

> > > staying on top of the

> > > > yeast better by dosing less GSE, but dosing more

frequently.

> > So,

> > > instead of larger doses,

> > > > 2x/day, going to smaller doses 4-5x/day.

> > > >

> > > > HTH,

> > > >

> > > > in Illinois

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

He was wearing the underwear and the pants without problem prior to

the round. We do let him skip the underwear when he wants too.

Mainly he will wear the pants to go outside, because he has to. But

as soon as he comes in he takes all his clothes off, even socks.

I noticed today after raising his GSE that he did wear the clothes

for a longer period of time before ripping them all off when he was

tired. I think he associates naked with comfortable.

> >Jan,

> I am sure you have thought of this but sometimes it was the

underwear

> that caused the problem. Would he wear pants with no underwear

etc?.

> WE tried the Hanes underwear which my son will usually wear if we

make

> sure they are straight not twisted in any way so as not to cause

any

> type of indention in the skin.

>

> >

> > Would he do just pants and no shirt or socks?

> >

> > My son was a real sensory kid but could tolerate the pants as

long

> as he didn't need to do shirts. He usually goes without shirts at

home.

> >

> > Barb

> > [ ] odd change in behaviors following

round 9?

> >

> >

> > My son finished round 9 of dmsa/ala. We have had yeast issues

off

> > and on. But no other noted effects. He is showing improvments

> > with/following each round. He tends to get a bit crabby on the

first

> > day but we have accepted this.

> > Since his last round he has reverted back to not wearing

clothes

> > when at home. This might be tolerable except that he is always

> > touching his privates. They do not look irritated or rashey

etc. He

> > is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the rest

of the

> > supps.

> > He has also been having problems with his temper, non

compliance,

> > hitting his sister, etc. I have had to put him on melatonin

since

> > the last round, as it seems that his ability to fall asleep is

no

> > longer intacted for nighttime. He fidgits around and plays and

just

> > can't settle down until well after 10pm. I know he is tired,

which

> > might be adding to the day time temperament. I started the

melatonin

> > a few nights ago, as we are all exhausted here. And he is

going to

> > sleep better now.

> > Any ideas on what is with the renewed need to be naked, and

such?

> > He used to avoid clothing before chelation began. Then after

round

> > one he wore it without objection. This probably would not be

huge

> > except he has to start Pre-K in a few weeks and nudity will

not go

> > over well there. Neither will pulling on ones privates all day.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This requires a prescription and proving to a doctor that he has a

yeast problem...

Hard to prove in boys...

> > > >

> > > > >He

> > > > > is on 1/2 tablet of GSE twice a day, probiotics and the

rest

> > of

> > > the

> > > > > supps.

> > > >

> > > > Jan, a friend of mine who is chelating her son recently said

she

> > is

> > > staying on top of the

> > > > yeast better by dosing less GSE, but dosing more

frequently.

> > So,

> > > instead of larger doses,

> > > > 2x/day, going to smaller doses 4-5x/day.

> > > >

> > > > HTH,

> > > >

> > > > in Illinois

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes it's tactile, other times it's the smell or other factors of the

detergent and/or fabric softener used on the clothes.

S S

<p>He was wearing the underwear and the pants without problem prior

to <br>

the round. We do let him skip the underwear when he wants too. <br>

Mainly he will wear the pants to go outside, because he has to. But <br>

as soon as he comes in he takes all his clothes off, even socks. <br>

I noticed today after raising his GSE that he did wear the clothes <br>

for a longer period of time before ripping them all off when he was <br>

tired. I think he associates naked with comfortable.<br>

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