Re: Rene or anyone else who can help me re: use of ALA alone

[Guest guest]

, I'm sorry, but I really don't know exactly why ALA can cause

spaciness when used without another chelator. We've never used it

alone. If you put a question out to Nell or Anne or or

, I'll bet one of them might know why this happens. I think

that this is probably a side effect of how ALA can move mercury

around, as people seem to find that they are better able to tolerate

ALA-only rounds when they have already done a lot of chelation. Can

you tell me why you can't use DMSA?

There are a lot of supplements that can help with focus, but I must

not be taking any of them right now, because I can't remember which

ones they are. :-) Again, putting another question to the group

like " Which Supplements Help With Focus? " should bring you a lot of

useful replies.

Sorry I'm not more help to you. HAving a pretty spacy day myself.

René

>

> We did a round this weekend and my daughter was pretty spacey the

> last ofday of the round she could not focus at all. She started to

> return more to normal after 18 hours. ANyway, Rene you wrote me that

> some people complain about spaciness when they take ALA alone and so

> they use DMSA to help with symptoms. Is the spaciness due to a side

> effect of ALA or due to the moving of the mercury?

> We cant use DMSA at this time and I was hoping someone might be able

> to help me with an idea on a supplement I might be able to try as

she

> has to start school in one week. Even if we chelate on Weekends I

dont

> think she will be able to concentrate at all on Monday maybe even

part

> of Tues.

> Are there less side effects as someone does the ALA more times? Does

> the body get more accustomed to it?

> She also got a stuffy nose but that might be due to a supplement

zinc

> or something any thoughts on that?

>

> Thanks a ton for all of your help!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> We did a round this weekend and my daughter was pretty spacey the

> last ofday of the round she could not focus at all.

What dose of ALA are you using, what is her weight, and are you dosing

every 3 h? If side effects are more than you consider manageable,

then the dose can be decreased. Often a small decrease of dose will

give a big decrease of symptoms.

I get spacey with stress, so I think it's an adrenal symptom. Be sure

to give lots of water, B and C vitamins, some extra salt, consider

adrenal cortex extract, and check the supplement file to see what

other supplements are helpful with chelation. (Is it GABA that helps

with concentration and focus??)

J

She started to

> return more to normal after 18 hours. ANyway, Rene you wrote me that

> some people complain about spaciness when they take ALA alone and so

> they use DMSA to help with symptoms. Is the spaciness due to a side

> effect of ALA or due to the moving of the mercury?

> We cant use DMSA at this time and I was hoping someone might be able

> to help me with an idea on a supplement I might be able to try as she

> has to start school in one week. Even if we chelate on Weekends I dont

> think she will be able to concentrate at all on Monday maybe even part

> of Tues.

> Are there less side effects as someone does the ALA more times? Does

> the body get more accustomed to it?

> She also got a stuffy nose but that might be due to a supplement zinc

> or something any thoughts on that?

>

> Thanks a ton for all of your help!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >Thanks for your response. I started the dose at 8 mg. she wieghs

58lbs. I had ready people use as much as 12. I found I was losing alot

in the seperation of it so I put a smidget more in. On some doses she

probably got 10 or 11. That is the most. Yes I dosed every 3 hurs in

the the day and 4 at night.

> > We did a round this weekend and my daughter was pretty spacey the

> > last ofday of the round she could not focus at all.

>

>

>

> What dose of ALA are you using, what is her weight, and are you dosing

> every 3 h? If side effects are more than you consider manageable,

> then the dose can be decreased. Often a small decrease of dose will

> give a big decrease of symptoms.

>

> I get spacey with stress, so I think it's an adrenal symptom. Be sure

> to give lots of water, B and C vitamins, some extra salt, consider

> adrenal cortex extract, and check the supplement file to see what

> other supplements are helpful with chelation. (Is it GABA that helps

> with concentration and focus??)

>

> J

>

>

>

>

>

>

> She started to

> > return more to normal after 18 hours. ANyway, Rene you wrote me that

> > some people complain about spaciness when they take ALA alone and so

> > they use DMSA to help with symptoms. Is the spaciness due to a side

> > effect of ALA or due to the moving of the mercury?

> > We cant use DMSA at this time and I was hoping someone might be able

> > to help me with an idea on a supplement I might be able to try as she

> > has to start school in one week. Even if we chelate on Weekends I dont

> > think she will be able to concentrate at all on Monday maybe even part

> > of Tues.

> > Are there less side effects as someone does the ALA more times? Does

> > the body get more accustomed to it?

> > She also got a stuffy nose but that might be due to a supplement zinc

> > or something any thoughts on that?

> >

> > Thanks a ton for all of your help!!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > We did a round this weekend and my daughter was pretty spacey the

> > last ofday of the round she could not focus at all. She started to

> > return more to normal after 18 hours. ANyway, Rene you wrote me that

> > some people complain about spaciness when they take ALA alone and so

> > they use DMSA to help with symptoms. Is the spaciness due to a side

> > effect of ALA or due to the moving of the mercury?

> > We cant use DMSA at this time and I was hoping someone might be able

> > to help me with an idea on a supplement I might be able to try as

> she

> > has to start school in one week. Even if we chelate on Weekends I

> dont

> > think she will be able to concentrate at all on Monday maybe even

> part

> > of Tues.

> > Are there less side effects as someone does the ALA more times? Does

> > the body get more accustomed to it?

> > She also got a stuffy nose but that might be due to a supplement

> zinc

> > or something any thoughts on that?

> >

> > Thanks a ton for all of your help!!

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

The dose might be too high, or it could just be that it's the first round. We

had lethargy, spaciness and even a little bit of a low grade fever the first few

rounds, all of which subsided within 5-6 rounds.

Out of curiosity, why can't you use DMSA at this time? Many times we use DMSA

alone for the last dose, referred to as a DMSA sweep. That seems to help a lot.

Dana on this list chelated using only ALA I believe. You might want to ask her

for some insight too.

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From: " deltaskymiles2317 " <tracy@...>

We did a round this weekend and my daughter was pretty spacey the

last ofday of the round she could not focus at all. She started to

return more to normal after 18 hours. ANyway, Rene you wrote me that

some people complain about spaciness when they take ALA alone and so

they use DMSA to help with symptoms. Is the spaciness due to a side

effect of ALA or due to the moving of the mercury?

We cant use DMSA at this time and I was hoping someone might be able

to help me with an idea on a supplement I might be able to try as she

has to start school in one week. Even if we chelate on Weekends I dont

think she will be able to concentrate at all on Monday maybe even part

of Tues.

Are there less side effects as someone does the ALA more times? Does

the body get more accustomed to it?

She also got a stuffy nose but that might be due to a supplement zinc

or something any thoughts on that?

Thanks a ton for all of your help!!

[Guest guest]

>

> , I'm sorry, but I really don't know exactly why ALA can cause

> spaciness when used without another chelator. We've never used it

> alone. If you put a question out to Nell or Anne or or

> , I'll bet one of them might know why this happens.

SOrry, I don't know either. I'm so spacy most of the time that ALA

doesn't really make it worse, lol.

> I think

> that this is probably a side effect of how ALA can move mercury

> around, as people seem to find that they are better able to tolerate

> ALA-only rounds when they have already done a lot of chelation.

Maybe it's because only ALA is moving brain Hg, so that is causing a

loss of focus? Just guessing.

> There are a lot of supplements that can help with focus, but I must

> not be taking any of them right now, because I can't remember which

> ones they are. :-)

LOL. Phosphatidylserine helps a lot, when I remember to take it, also

lecithin if it's tolerated.

Nell

[Guest guest]

Sounds like it might be yeast to me. ALA creates a good environment for yeast,

which is many kids makes them " out there, " giggly, spacey, etc. Also, when my

son got the yeast issues, he got a sinus-y thing going on. When I treated

yeast, it finally went away.

Barb

[ ] Rene or anyone else who can help me re: use of ALA

alone

We did a round this weekend and my daughter was pretty spacey the

last ofday of the round she could not focus at all. She started to

return more to normal after 18 hours. ANyway, Rene you wrote me that

some people complain about spaciness when they take ALA alone and so

they use DMSA to help with symptoms. Is the spaciness due to a side

effect of ALA or due to the moving of the mercury?

We cant use DMSA at this time and I was hoping someone might be able

to help me with an idea on a supplement I might be able to try as she

has to start school in one week. Even if we chelate on Weekends I dont

think she will be able to concentrate at all on Monday maybe even part

of Tues.

Are there less side effects as someone does the ALA more times? Does

the body get more accustomed to it?

She also got a stuffy nose but that might be due to a supplement zinc

or something any thoughts on that?

Thanks a ton for all of your help!!

[Guest guest]

> > >Thanks for your response. I started the dose at 8 mg. she wieghs

> 58lbs.

Reducing the dose to 5 mg might help. 5 mg per dose is all I can take

right now (large adult).

I have a tendancy to go low on sodium. Salt helps me. One symptom of

low sodium is 'confusion' (fits me, but I don't know if it fits your

daughter's case).

What supplements is she taking?

J

I had ready people use as much as 12. I found I was losing alot

> in the seperation of it so I put a smidget more in. On some doses she

> probably got 10 or 11. That is the most. Yes I dosed every 3 hurs in

> the the day and 4 at night.

> > > We did a round this weekend and my daughter was pretty spacey the

> > > last ofday of the round she could not focus at all.

> >

> >

> >

> > What dose of ALA are you using, what is her weight, and are you dosing

> > every 3 h? If side effects are more than you consider manageable,

> > then the dose can be decreased. Often a small decrease of dose will

> > give a big decrease of symptoms.

> >

> > I get spacey with stress, so I think it's an adrenal symptom. Be sure

> > to give lots of water, B and C vitamins, some extra salt, consider

> > adrenal cortex extract, and check the supplement file to see what

> > other supplements are helpful with chelation. (Is it GABA that helps

> > with concentration and focus??)

> >

> > J

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > She started to

> > > return more to normal after 18 hours. ANyway, Rene you wrote me that

> > > some people complain about spaciness when they take ALA alone and so

> > > they use DMSA to help with symptoms. Is the spaciness due to a side

> > > effect of ALA or due to the moving of the mercury?

> > > We cant use DMSA at this time and I was hoping someone might be able

> > > to help me with an idea on a supplement I might be able to try

as she

> > > has to start school in one week. Even if we chelate on Weekends

I dont

> > > think she will be able to concentrate at all on Monday maybe

even part

> > > of Tues.

> > > Are there less side effects as someone does the ALA more times? Does

> > > the body get more accustomed to it?

> > > She also got a stuffy nose but that might be due to a supplement

zinc

> > > or something any thoughts on that?

> > >

> > > Thanks a ton for all of your help!!

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > >Thanks for your response. I started the dose at 8 mg. she wieghs

> > 58lbs.

>

>

>

> Reducing the dose to 5 mg might help. 5 mg per dose is all I can take

> right now (large adult).

>

> I have a tendancy to go low on sodium. Salt helps me. One symptom of

> low sodium is 'confusion' (fits me, but I don't know if it fits your

> daughter's case).

>

> What supplements is she taking?

>

> J

>

> She is taking the recommended ones in the files. However, we did not

have her on that much vitamin A. Or Molybedenum. I am trying to

regulate the supplements.

>

>

>

> I had ready people use as much as 12. I found I was losing alot

> > in the seperation of it so I put a smidget more in. On some doses she

> > probably got 10 or 11. That is the most. Yes I dosed every 3 hurs in

> > the the day and 4 at night.

> > > > We did a round this weekend and my daughter was pretty spacey the

> > > > last ofday of the round she could not focus at all.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What dose of ALA are you using, what is her weight, and are you

dosing

> > > every 3 h? If side effects are more than you consider manageable,

> > > then the dose can be decreased. Often a small decrease of dose will

> > > give a big decrease of symptoms.

> > >

> > > I get spacey with stress, so I think it's an adrenal symptom.

Be sure

> > > to give lots of water, B and C vitamins, some extra salt, consider

> > > adrenal cortex extract, and check the supplement file to see what

> > > other supplements are helpful with chelation. (Is it GABA that

helps

> > > with concentration and focus??)

> > >

> > > J

> > >

> > > AMino acids typically make her more spacey.

So I would rather not use Gaba. I will try a lower dose though. and

possibly extra salt.

Thanks> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > She started to

> > > > return more to normal after 18 hours. ANyway, Rene you wrote

me that

> > > > some people complain about spaciness when they take ALA alone

and so

> > > > they use DMSA to help with symptoms. Is the spaciness due to

a side

> > > > effect of ALA or due to the moving of the mercury?

> > > > We cant use DMSA at this time and I was hoping someone might

be able

> > > > to help me with an idea on a supplement I might be able to try

> as she

> > > > has to start school in one week. Even if we chelate on Weekends

> I dont

> > > > think she will be able to concentrate at all on Monday maybe

> even part

> > > > of Tues.

> > > > Are there less side effects as someone does the ALA more

times? Does

> > > > the body get more accustomed to it?

> > > > She also got a stuffy nose but that might be due to a supplement

> zinc

> > > > or something any thoughts on that?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a ton for all of your help!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>