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Can anyone ___

Can anyone provide me with the web-site address where I can order the nasal

spray B12? Coastal?

Thanks,

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You may want to check out the group MB_12Valtrex. It is moderated by

Stan Kurtz.

Pamela

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you're scared. "

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Can anyone ___

Can anyone provide me with the web-site address where I can order the nasal

spray B12? Coastal?

Thanks,

Dino

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my mb12 nasal spray just arrived today from wellness. i am also on the

mb12 valtrex list group. a good one like this group. we tried mb12 shots some

time ago but met with severe aggression. trying again...

vicki

Pamela Leigh <pamelaleigh@...> wrote:

You may want to check out the group MB_12Valtrex. It is

moderated by

Stan Kurtz.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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On Behalf Of Dino Heal

Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Nasal B12

Can anyone ___

Can anyone provide me with the web-site address where I can order the nasal

spray B12? Coastal?

Thanks,

Dino

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I just wanted to post our experience with Nasal B12, as it wasn't

favorable and it was excruciating watching the regressions and not

knowing what was happening. My son switched from shots (after a

year, no wow's but lots of interventions including chelation..slow

and steady gains) to nasal last Oct. Although we never saw one thing

make the decline in skills, many changes to his protocol occured

during a 6 mos. period and he lost almost a years worth of gains,

including the only 5 words he used regularly. We decided to stop the

nasal and go back to shots and got the words back almost instantly

after 6 mos. of intense prompting and praying! We also got back

appropriate toy play which has always been his downfall and was

delightful to see return! This was all within 2 days of returning

to the shots. We did do a test mid Feb. that showed him completely

deficient of B12... even after months of 2 sprays a day of nasal b12

from Coastal.

I love Stans list, and my son is a huge huge responder to valtrex,

but just wanted to express our journey of nasal b12. Keep a watchful

eye!

and Ty/3.11 yrs

-- In , vicki magee <vickila1@...>

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> my mb12 nasal spray just arrived today from wellness. i am also

on the mb12 valtrex list group. a good one like this group. we

tried mb12 shots some time ago but met with severe aggression.

trying again...

>

> vicki

>

> Pamela Leigh <pamelaleigh@...> wrote:

> You may want to check out the group MB_12Valtrex.

It is moderated by

> Stan Kurtz.

>

> Pamela

>

> " Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no

courage unless

> you're scared. "

>

> Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

>

> _____

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> From: [mailto:Autism-

Mercury ]

> On Behalf Of Dino Heal

> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 3:42 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Nasal B12

>

> Can anyone ___

>

> Can anyone provide me with the web-site address where I can order

the nasal

> spray B12? Coastal?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dino

>

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> more to come.

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> I just wanted to post our experience with Nasal B12, as it wasn't

> favorable and it was excruciating watching the regressions and not

> knowing what was happening. My son switched from shots (after a

> year, no wow's but lots of interventions including chelation..slow

> and steady gains) to nasal last Oct.

Are there people on that list who have the opposite experience -- shots

didn't work but the nasal did? Do you know if the ingredients differ?

Glad you worked your way out of the regression...

Nell

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Hi Nell,

My son was a Nonresponder to the MB12 shots.

We tried the MB12 nasal spray and he responded very well. We got a real pop

in language. The director of his school asked if we could bathe him in it.

Then, it stopped working. <SIGH>

Pamela

Mom to 6 yo tough nut

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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did mb12 shots a while ago with horrible results. tried nasal yesterday. just

one day and my son was attacking again like with the shots. every child is

different. from what i have read, most children respond favorably to mb12

treatments.

vicki

lanellici <lanellici@...> wrote:

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> I just wanted to post our experience with Nasal B12, as it wasn't

> favorable and it was excruciating watching the regressions and not

> knowing what was happening. My son switched from shots (after a

> year, no wow's but lots of interventions including chelation..slow

> and steady gains) to nasal last Oct.

Are there people on that list who have the opposite experience -- shots

didn't work but the nasal did? Do you know if the ingredients differ?

Glad you worked your way out of the regression...

Nell

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> We tried the MB12 nasal spray and he responded very well. We got a

real pop

> in language. The director of his school asked if we could bathe him

in it.

> Then, it stopped working. <SIGH>

>

Pamela,

You mean he lost the pop in language? Man, that damn roller coaster

again...

Nell

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> did mb12 shots a while ago with horrible results. tried nasal

yesterday. just one day and my son was attacking again like with the

shots. every child is different. from what i have read, most children

respond favorably to mb12 treatments.

Here's one of many Andy posts on the subject. Onibasu will give you

lots more.

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/130897.html?highlight=andrewhallcutler%

20mb12

Some people have had luck giving little pieces of a sublingual to

start, then slowy building up. My son had aggression/rage with

sublinguals but tolerates them now; why I don't know.

Nell

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Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12 nasal spray. He

went back to being completely nonverbal. Sometime our son is like Teflon...

Nothing sticks. It seems he doesn't respond, he can't tolerate it or the

gains don't stick.

Very much a rollercoaster,

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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> Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12 nasal

spray. He

> went back to being completely nonverbal.

Heartbreaking. But the fact that it worked even temporarily seems quite

hopeful to me, like you're going to hit on the magic combination

eventually. Is this your first try with ALA?

Nell

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I have been reading over at Yasko's site, and scaring myself by understanding

some of it.

She has some interesting things to say about ammonia issues and methylation. She

reports that if you add methylation supplements i.e. methyl B12, that it will

cause any ammonia issues to surface and that uses up dopamine, which is used for

speech.

Probably this doesn't make too much sense to anyone but me, but thought I would

throw it out there as it seems to fit this situation. Btw, I have no idea if she

knows what she is talking about, but worth a try.

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> Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12 nasal

spray. He

> went back to being completely nonverbal.

Heartbreaking. But the fact that it worked even temporarily seems quite

hopeful to me, like you're going to hit on the magic combination

eventually. Is this your first try with ALA?

Nell

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So, what to do? Increase dopamine (BH4?) or drop ammonia

(alphaketoglutaric acid) or neither or both?

anne

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> > Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12

nasal

> spray. He

> > went back to being completely nonverbal.

>

> Heartbreaking. But the fact that it worked even temporarily seems

quite

> hopeful to me, like you're going to hit on the magic combination

> eventually. Is this your first try with ALA?

>

> Nell

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Increase things that decrease ammonia, alphaketoglutaric acid, L-citrulline, for

about a month, then add back in the methylation things i.e. methyl B12,

folic/folinic/folapro, and I suppose add in the BH4, but how much, they say,

depends on the genetics, however, as with any other supplement I would start

very slow and work up.

Bh4 is said to regulate dopamine/norephinephrine levels. Scary that I understand

this and the site is just awful, so scattered it is hard to get any information

out of it, at all. When you do a search for information and pick something and

then hit the back button the search engine times out and you have to retype your

search topic again. Very difficult site.

[ ] Re: Nasal B12

,

So, what to do? Increase dopamine (BH4?) or drop ammonia

(alphaketoglutaric acid) or neither or both?

anne

> >

> > Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12

nasal

> spray. He

> > went back to being completely nonverbal.

>

> Heartbreaking. But the fact that it worked even temporarily seems

quite

> hopeful to me, like you're going to hit on the magic combination

> eventually. Is this your first try with ALA?

>

> Nell

>

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> Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12 nasal

spray. He

> went back to being completely nonverbal. Sometime our son is like

Teflon...

> Nothing sticks. It seems he doesn't respond, he can't tolerate it

or the

> gains don't stick.

I had this problem with mB12 until I added a LOT of folic acid. How

much folic were you giving with the mB12?

Dana

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Yes, this is our first try with ALA.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of lanellici

Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:34 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Nasal B12

>

> Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12 nasal

spray. He

> went back to being completely nonverbal.

Heartbreaking. But the fact that it worked even temporarily seems quite

hopeful to me, like you're going to hit on the magic combination

eventually. Is this your first try with ALA?

Nell

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Our prescription bottle says MB12 12.5 mg/FA 3 mg/ml.

Thanks,

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

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On Behalf Of danasview

Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:49 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Nasal B12

>

> Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12 nasal

spray. He

> went back to being completely nonverbal. Sometime our son is like

Teflon...

> Nothing sticks. It seems he doesn't respond, he can't tolerate it

or the

> gains don't stick.

I had this problem with mB12 until I added a LOT of folic acid. How

much folic were you giving with the mB12?

Dana

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Yasko likes to do the urine amino acid test to determine if the

ammonia and/or taurine is high. If so she recommends yucca, low

protein diet, her ammonia rna, and charcoal/magnesium flushes until

the ammonia and taurine are in the low range then add in 1/4 tablet

of folapro and 1/4 tablet of intrinsic B12. This ammonia protocol

is done regardless of genetics.

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> > > Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12

> nasal

> > spray. He

> > > went back to being completely nonverbal.

> >

> > Heartbreaking. But the fact that it worked even temporarily

seems

> quite

> > hopeful to me, like you're going to hit on the magic

combination

> > eventually. Is this your first try with ALA?

> >

> > Nell

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I've gone through some of Yasko's sight, but I can't always make

headway on the ammonia issue. Is there a specific place to look or

can you break it down for me? I have believed for a while that my

son has low dopamine (I tried the blinking test thing & he can hold

his eyes open far longer than I can mine). Lately he has such

alkaline urine & BMs which I have suspected as ammonia. My son's on

the mB12 shots every 3 days. What will help to deal with ammonia

(other than the $100/bottle drops that Yasko sells)? I just can't

afford the prices on her stuff. My son has days where his speech is

fantastic and everything " clicks " and other days where he

won't/can't say a word. Most days are somewhere in between. I've

been trying to increase the acidifying foods because of his

alkalinity, and it helps some, but I wonder if there isn't something

that can deal with the ammonia more specifically. Thanks for any

advice you can give :)

(mom to Caleb)

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> > Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the MB12

nasal

> spray. He

> > went back to being completely nonverbal.

>

> Heartbreaking. But the fact that it worked even temporarily

seems quite

> hopeful to me, like you're going to hit on the magic combination

> eventually. Is this your first try with ALA?

>

> Nell

>

>

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Thanks. Very helpful.

Anne

> > > >

> > > > Yes, Nell... My son lost that pop in language from the

MB12

> > nasal

> > > spray. He

> > > > went back to being completely nonverbal.

> > >

> > > Heartbreaking. But the fact that it worked even temporarily

> seems

> > quite

> > > hopeful to me, like you're going to hit on the magic

> combination

> > > eventually. Is this your first try with ALA?

> > >

> > > Nell

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> Our prescription bottle says MB12 12.5 mg/FA 3 mg/ml.

>

So you are giving 12.5mg mB12 and 3mg folic. Is that per dose? That

sure seems like a LOT of mB12 [my son never tolerated much more than

2.5mg] but I have given quite a bit more folic acid. Even now, my son

does well with 1mg mB12 daily but requires 5mg folic with it.

Dana

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