Re: Repeat cry for help!!!

[Guest guest]

Would you be more comfortable consulting a DAN doctor? They do everything as

natural as possible. Here's the web site so you can find one in your area:

_www.autismresearchinstitute.com_ (http://www.autismresearchinstitute.com) .

They are arranged alphabetically by state. You can click on the doctor's name

to get more info. I believe T4 has to do with thyroid hormone. So that would

mean there is low thyroid function. This can be treated naturally. Wishing you

the best.

In a message dated 4/25/2006 12:20:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

sara@... writes:

>

> Does anyone understand the significance of a low T4? My son had a .90

> last August and an .89 as of last week. The reference range is .92-

> 1.57. It was done through Pfeiffer Treatment Center, and they want me

> to follow up with our pediatrician or an endocrinologist, but given

> that they are the ones who had all my children on perpetual

> antibiotics/steriods, etc... and likely somewhat at the root of our

> current struggels (5 kids: 1 ADHD/LD, 2 aspies, one dyslexic), I'm

> reluctant to have that be my first move.

>

> Thanks for your help!

>

> Sara Olson

> Mom to Oodles of Olsons

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes.

It means that the thyroid is not producing sufficient thyroid hormones.

Children's bodies and brains require abundant Free T4 which a healthy body

converts to the active form of Free T3 in order to grow and to develop.

Prior to the discovery of synthetic T4 (an inadequate and inferior treatment

of hypothyroidism) physicians would have *immediately* started your child on

a trial of Armour Natural Thyroid to aid proper growth and development -

esp., to prevent loss of intelligence.

Unfortunately, most doctors (ESPECIALLY DAN docs and endocrinologists of

every stripe,) have no idea how to treat this very treatable condition. They

have all come under the hypnotic propaganda of the makers of synthetic T4

(synthroid/levothyroxin.) Nearly as bad are the followers of synthetic T3

(cytomel.)

BTW, there is a high correlation between mothers with hypothyroidism (often

undiagnosed due to the erroneous reliance upon the TSH lab) and children

with " labels. "

I suggest that you join NaturalThyroidHormonesgroups

Also take a look at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

I am treating my DD, who is doing very well, now. I wish someone had told me

about this years ago!

If you like, you can email me off-list.

HTH,

....

On 4/24/06, Sara Olson <sara@...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > Does anyone understand the significance of a low T4? My son had a .90

> > last August and an .89 as of last week. The reference range is .92-

> > 1.57. It was done through Pfeiffer Treatment Center, and they want me

> > to follow up with our pediatrician or an endocrinologist, but given

> > that they are the ones who had all my children on perpetual

> > antibiotics/steriods, etc... and likely somewhat at the root of our

> > current struggels (5 kids: 1 ADHD/LD, 2 aspies, one dyslexic), I'm

> > reluctant to have that be my first move.

> >

> > Thanks for your help!

> >

> > Sara Olson

> > Mom to Oodles of Olsons

> >

>

[Guest guest]

..89 really isn't *that* much out of the reference range. How

significant is that number? Anybody know? It might not be time to

run for medication.

Pam

> >

> > Does anyone understand the significance of a low T4? My son had

a .90

> > last August and an .89 as of last week. The reference range

is .92-

> > 1.57. It was done through Pfeiffer Treatment Center, and they

want me

> > to follow up with our pediatrician or an endocrinologist, but

given

> > that they are the ones who had all my children on perpetual

> > antibiotics/steriods, etc... and likely somewhat at the root of

our

> > current struggels (5 kids: 1 ADHD/LD, 2 aspies, one dyslexic),

I'm

> > reluctant to have that be my first move.

> >

> > Thanks for your help!

> >

> > Sara Olson

> > Mom to Oodles of Olsons

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sara,

This is really something you should address. is an

amazing resource. They board she suggests is great, though

the volume is enormous. They website she suggests is a wonderful

resource too. When my son's labs came back showing problems and I

asked Andy whether I could use OTC stuff, he asked me if he needed

to post stuff that would scare the *$^#( out of me to get me to get

some Armour for my kid. After that I figured it out pretty dang

fast. Do you have any other thyroid values? For what it is worth,

I had my Free T3 and Free T4 tested and I came up hypo too. I have

probably been hypo since I was a teenager.

Anne

> > >

> > > Does anyone understand the significance of a low T4? My son

had a .90

> > > last August and an .89 as of last week. The reference range

is .92-

> > > 1.57. It was done through Pfeiffer Treatment Center, and they

want me

> > > to follow up with our pediatrician or an endocrinologist, but

given

> > > that they are the ones who had all my children on perpetual

> > > antibiotics/steriods, etc... and likely somewhat at the root

of our

> > > current struggels (5 kids: 1 ADHD/LD, 2 aspies, one dyslexic),

I'm

> > > reluctant to have that be my first move.

> > >

> > > Thanks for your help!

> > >

> > > Sara Olson

> > > Mom to Oodles of Olsons

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Anne-

I am just a mom with feet of clay, but your very kind endorsement really

touched me. Thanks. More importantly, thanks for helping get the message

out. Not treating this child with Armour should be treated as malpractice,

IMO.

It is amazing how many of our kids' thyroid and adrenal functions are

impaired. Supplementing thyroid and adrenal function can make a huge

difference...It is really difficult to keep explaining over and over that

the tests and lab values, used by docs since the discovery of synthetic T4

and the TSH test, are bogus and useless.

Thanks, again!

....

---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: anneecbrynn <abrynn@...>

Date: Apr 25, 2006 6:36 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Repeat cry for help!!!

Sara,

This is really something you should address. is an

amazing resource. They board she suggests is great, though

the volume is enormous. They website she suggests is a wonderful

resource too. When my son's labs came back showing problems and I

asked Andy whether I could use OTC stuff, he asked me if he needed

to post stuff that would scare the *$^#( out of me to get me to get

some Armour for my kid. After that I figured it out pretty dang

fast. Do you have any other thyroid values? For what it is worth,

I had my Free T3 and Free T4 tested and I came up hypo too. I have

probably been hypo since I was a teenager.

Anne

[Guest guest]

I was happy to find you. Even though I have taken Andy's

recommendation of supporting the adrenals with adrenal cortex

extract, pantothenic acid, licorice (deglycerrized sp?), etc., and

have forgone the option to use Isorcort, I appreciate your knowledge

in this area and am very grateful for your willingness to help all

of us. We are still titrating my son's Armour dose, but I am sure

we will get where we need to go, many thanks to you.

Anne

>

> Dear Anne-

>

> I am just a mom with feet of clay, but your very kind endorsement

really

> touched me. Thanks. More importantly, thanks for helping get the

message

> out. Not treating this child with Armour should be treated as

malpractice,

> IMO.

>

> It is amazing how many of our kids' thyroid and adrenal functions

are

> impaired. Supplementing thyroid and adrenal function can make a

huge

> difference...It is really difficult to keep explaining over and

over that

> the tests and lab values, used by docs since the discovery of

synthetic T4

> and the TSH test, are bogus and useless.

>

> Thanks, again!

> ...

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> From: anneecbrynn <abrynn@...>

> Date: Apr 25, 2006 6:36 AM

> Subject: [ ] Re: Repeat cry for help!!!

>

>

> Sara,

>

> This is really something you should address. is an

> amazing resource. They board she suggests is great, though

> the volume is enormous. They website she suggests is a wonderful

> resource too. When my son's labs came back showing problems and I

> asked Andy whether I could use OTC stuff, he asked me if he needed

> to post stuff that would scare the *$^#( out of me to get me to get

> some Armour for my kid. After that I figured it out pretty dang

> fast. Do you have any other thyroid values? For what it is worth,

> I had my Free T3 and Free T4 tested and I came up hypo too. I have

> probably been hypo since I was a teenager.

>

> Anne

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anne and ,

Thank you both, so much, for answering me. I've joined the

group, and have looked over the website. I have yet to read through

the files of the (bet that'll take awhile!)

Two questions that may be of help:

* Is a prescription/doctor necessary?

* Since we don't eat pork, I'm having a hard time adjusting to the

idea of my son ingesting a bovine product. Is there any kind of a

natural hormone supplement that would use something other than pork?

Thanks for helping me! So much! I'll work on getting free T3 & T4

ordered.

S

> >

> > Dear Anne-

> >

> > I am just a mom with feet of clay, but your very kind endorsement

> really

> > touched me. Thanks. More importantly, thanks for helping get the

> message

> > out. Not treating this child with Armour should be treated as

> malpractice,

> > IMO.

> >

> > It is amazing how many of our kids' thyroid and adrenal functions

> are

> > impaired. Supplementing thyroid and adrenal function can make a

> huge

> > difference...It is really difficult to keep explaining over and

> over that

> > the tests and lab values, used by docs since the discovery of

> synthetic T4

> > and the TSH test, are bogus and useless.

> >

> > Thanks, again!

> > ...

> >

> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > From: anneecbrynn <abrynn@>

> > Date: Apr 25, 2006 6:36 AM

> > Subject: [ ] Re: Repeat cry for help!!!

> >

> >

> > Sara,

> >

> > This is really something you should address. is an

> > amazing resource. They board she suggests is great, though

> > the volume is enormous. They website she suggests is a wonderful

> > resource too. When my son's labs came back showing problems and I

> > asked Andy whether I could use OTC stuff, he asked me if he needed

> > to post stuff that would scare the *$^#( out of me to get me to

get

> > some Armour for my kid. After that I figured it out pretty dang

> > fast. Do you have any other thyroid values? For what it is

worth,

> > I had my Free T3 and Free T4 tested and I came up hypo too. I

have

> > probably been hypo since I was a teenager.

> >

> > Anne

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sara,

I can't speak to your second question, but as to your first, a

prescription is usually necessary though some people do self treat.

Anne

> > >

> > > Dear Anne-

> > >

> > > I am just a mom with feet of clay, but your very kind

endorsement

> > really

> > > touched me. Thanks. More importantly, thanks for helping get

the

> > message

> > > out. Not treating this child with Armour should be treated as

> > malpractice,

> > > IMO.

> > >

> > > It is amazing how many of our kids' thyroid and adrenal

functions

> > are

> > > impaired. Supplementing thyroid and adrenal function can make

a

> > huge

> > > difference...It is really difficult to keep explaining over

and

> > over that

> > > the tests and lab values, used by docs since the discovery of

> > synthetic T4

> > > and the TSH test, are bogus and useless.

> > >

> > > Thanks, again!

> > > ...

> > >

> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > > From: anneecbrynn <abrynn@>

> > > Date: Apr 25, 2006 6:36 AM

> > > Subject: [ ] Re: Repeat cry for help!!!

> > >

> > >

> > > Sara,

> > >

> > > This is really something you should address. is an

> > > amazing resource. They board she suggests is great,

though

> > > the volume is enormous. They website she suggests is a

wonderful

> > > resource too. When my son's labs came back showing problems

and I

> > > asked Andy whether I could use OTC stuff, he asked me if he

needed

> > > to post stuff that would scare the *$^#( out of me to get me

to

> get

> > > some Armour for my kid. After that I figured it out pretty

dang

> > > fast. Do you have any other thyroid values? For what it is

> worth,

> > > I had my Free T3 and Free T4 tested and I came up hypo too. I

> have

> > > probably been hypo since I was a teenager.

> > >

> > > Anne

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You may want to get references since all DAN's are not the same. If you give us

the area where you live, that would help.

M

---- Rabold92@... wrote:

[Guest guest]

Isocort is just another form of adrenal cortex. The only advantage to using

it is that the amount of cortisol in each pellet is known: 2.5mg - which

makes it very easy to regulate/titrate doses. Some drawbacks of Isocort are

price and the fact that it also contains Echinacea to which some folks are

allergic.

Cortef is another common adrenal cortex supplement.

The problem with other OTC adrenal cortex supplements is that the amount of

cortisol is not assayed or predictable...

The drawback with all cortex supplements is that they also contain

epinephrines (adrenalines) which aggravate adrenal stress.

I will add another caution for licorice. The action of licorice is only to

keep the cortisol in the blood stream longer. As I recall this is

accomplished by slowing the metabolism of cortisol. Since Free T3 cannot be

utilised by cells without the cortisol, this does not alleviate symptoms. A

very serious concern with licorice is that it can shoot blood pressure up.

This happened to me, and it took a long time to re-regulate that

licorice-caused high BP...

The other safe option is hydrocortisone, either orally, or as Andy has

recommended at times - " slathering some OTC hydrocortisone cream on " . (I

could have avoided several years of meltdowns with this trick, alone!)

I highly recommend Jeffries', *Safe Uses of Cortisol*. So many of us mercury

poisoned moms and kids (dads, too) suffer from adrenal stress/exhaustion of

the kind that is aided by cortisol supplementation...

....

On 4/25/06, anneecbrynn <abrynn@...> wrote:

>

> I was happy to find you. Even though I have taken Andy's

> recommendation of supporting the adrenals with adrenal cortex

> extract, pantothenic acid, licorice (deglycerrized sp?), etc., and

> have forgone the option to use Isorcort, I appreciate your knowledge

> in this area and am very grateful for your willingness to help all

> of us. We are still titrating my son's Armour dose, but I am sure

> we will get where we need to go, many thanks to you.

>

> Anne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there:

I myself have thyroid issues as did my son. We used Gaia Herbs

thyroid support and homeopathic thyroidium. Neither require a

prescription and my " buggy eyes " are much less pronounced. I go in

for a blood test in a few weeks and can give you the numbers then.

The Gaia Herbs product is alcohol free and the capsule is vegetable

based - no animal products. It contains l-tyrosine, schizandra

berry, coleus root, kelp fronds, ashwagandha, av. root. bladderwrack

fronds. I got mine at whole foods. You can get the homeopathic

thryrodium at a homeopathic pharmacy or online at abchomeopathy.com

Best regards,

Debbie

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anne-

> > > >

> > > > I am just a mom with feet of clay, but your very kind

> endorsement

> > > really

> > > > touched me. Thanks. More importantly, thanks for helping get

> the

> > > message

> > > > out. Not treating this child with Armour should be treated

as

> > > malpractice,

> > > > IMO.

> > > >

> > > > It is amazing how many of our kids' thyroid and adrenal

> functions

> > > are

> > > > impaired. Supplementing thyroid and adrenal function can

make

> a

> > > huge

> > > > difference...It is really difficult to keep explaining over

> and

> > > over that

> > > > the tests and lab values, used by docs since the discovery

of

> > > synthetic T4

> > > > and the TSH test, are bogus and useless.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, again!

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> > > > From: anneecbrynn <abrynn@>

> > > > Date: Apr 25, 2006 6:36 AM

> > > > Subject: [ ] Re: Repeat cry for help!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sara,

> > > >

> > > > This is really something you should address. is an

> > > > amazing resource. They board she suggests is great,

> though

> > > > the volume is enormous. They website she suggests is a

> wonderful

> > > > resource too. When my son's labs came back showing problems

> and I

> > > > asked Andy whether I could use OTC stuff, he asked me if he

> needed

> > > > to post stuff that would scare the *$^#( out of me to get me

> to

> > get

> > > > some Armour for my kid. After that I figured it out pretty

> dang

> > > > fast. Do you have any other thyroid values? For what it is

> > worth,

> > > > I had my Free T3 and Free T4 tested and I came up hypo too.

I

> > have

> > > > probably been hypo since I was a teenager.

> > > >

> > > > Anne

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >