Re: OT: Advice needed for newborn and vaccinations

[Guest guest]

I don't blame you for being paranoid. When born my daughter stayed with me the

whole time...........but I was unaware of the vaccint danger and she got the

hep b shot at birth. I would make sure it its plastered all over your med chart

NO VACCINES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and keep telling them. Sure they

will try to intimidate you but it is your right to protect your childrens

bodies from vaccines(at least for now) Jen

scaron1009 <scaron1009@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I am almost 3

months pregnant with my 3rd child. I have 2 boys (5 and almost 3)

both with autism. I didn't know that my oldest had autism until I

had already vaccinated my youngest boy (he didn't receive the MMR).

Neither of them are getting any more shots from now on. Needless to

say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all. But, I am

paranoid about the hospital stay. I keep having nightmares that I

walk in on someone giving one of my children a vaccine and then when

I fly off the hook, they say " oh sorry, I didn't know that you didn't

want to vaccinate. " I wake up scared to death that this is really

going to happen. I am paranoid that someone will try to take the

baby away if I try to get some sleep. One of my biggest worries is

that we don't have ANY family within 2,000 miles of us and my husband

is going to have to be at home with the boys. What are some things

that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen? The

only thing that I can think of is to have someone I totally trust

with the baby every second of everyday that I spend in the hospital.

Would it be too much to ask of my friends if I ask them to come by

for a few hours so I can get some sleep? I really hate to

inconvience people, but this is a HUGE deal to me.

Also, I would love to know how people feel about the vitamin K shot

and the antibiotics that are given right after birth. I plan on

breastfeeding and I am not informed at all on the risks or benefits

of the vitamin K shot. All that I know is that breastfed babies seem

to be at more risk for brain bleeds that formula fed babies. I will

do my research on this but would love to know what you think. As for

the antibiotics for the eyes, I have no clue what to do. I'm

concerned with that b/c I tested positive for GBS with my first

pregnancy so they automatically assume that I am positive for every

pregnancy after. I don't know if GBS affects a baby's eyes. Should

I have them test me again? Do you think that I should let them give

the IV antibiotics while I'm in labor? I want to be as proactive

with this baby as possible and I'm going crazy in the process!!! I

try not to worry all of the time but these are huge concerns for me.

Thanks so much for your time, hope to hear from you soon!

Steph

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> pregnancy after. I don't know if GBS affects a baby's eyes.

Should

> I have them test me again? Do you think that I should let them

give

> the IV antibiotics while I'm in labor? I want to be as proactive

> with this baby as possible and I'm going crazy in the process!!! I

> try not to worry all of the time but these are huge concerns for me.

>

> Thanks so much for your time, hope to hear from you soon!

> Steph

>

> Hi Steph,

I am from UK and really do not understand the accepted and practices in

US hospitals around birth. I do know that there is a lot less concern

about IV antibiotics than there is about orally administered

antibiotics ( the reverse of usual concerns with other drugs). From

what I have read there does not seem to be the same effect on the gut.

I am not an expert by any means, lots of people on the board more

informed than me, but I know that when I was giving birth 7 months ago,

I resigned myself to the fact that if I had to have a caesarian then I

would go with the IV antibiotics rather than risk an infection. It is

however entirely personal decision. Good luck with the birth.

Sue

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hello everyone,

>

> I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I am almost 3

> months pregnant with my 3rd child. I have 2 boys (5 and almost 3)

> both with autism. I didn't know that my oldest had autism until I

> had already vaccinated my youngest boy (he didn't receive the

MMR).

> Neither of them are getting any more shots from now on. Needless

to

> say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all. But, I am

> paranoid about the hospital stay. I keep having nightmares that I

> walk in on someone giving one of my children a vaccine and then

when

> I fly off the hook, they say " oh sorry, I didn't know that you

didn't

> want to vaccinate. " I wake up scared to death that this is really

> going to happen. I am paranoid that someone will try to take the

> baby away if I try to get some sleep. One of my biggest worries

is

> that we don't have ANY family within 2,000 miles of us and my

husband

> is going to have to be at home with the boys. What are some

things

> that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen?

How about a homebirth? If I could have anymore kids I'd definately

have a homebirth.

[Guest guest]

You might be able to request that they print it on the baby's bracelet/anklet ID

which they pretty soon after they're born. Healthcare personnel seem to be

getting better at double-checking ID before they do anything.

S S

<p>I had the same nightmares before my daughter was born. I was a

scheduled c-section so I knew I couldn't be with her for a long time. What I

did was drive the nurse assigned to her crazy. At the hospital I was at there

was a single nurse assigned to her for the first part of her life. She was in

the delivery room and for the entire time it took them to prep me and deliver

her I kept asking the nurse if she remembered she wasn't to get the hep b

vaccine. I seriously asked her at least 10 times. I would find out if the

hospital you will deliver her at has the same policy. Had I thought of it at

the time I would have gotten a newborn cap and had 'No Vaccines For Me'

embroidered on it and insisted it was put on her at birth. I would have also

made up a couple different signs that would have gone in her bassinet that said

the same thing and a t-shirt for when I could use it. Drive them nuts too.

Make sure you tell everyone what your position is. Who cares

what they<br>

think of you as long as they remember! <br>

<br>

If it is possible to have someone else watch the boys at least until you get

the baby settled in with you it would be great. Just enough time for everything

to get done with the baby and get he/she settled in with you. Even with

c-sections it was only a few hours until they would leave the babies with me and

then they only leave for scheduled things which you could go with them for,

reminding them along the way! I always went with them when they took them for

something. Sometimes I had to wait outside if they had all the babies in there

but you can always watch from the window. It also gives you the prefect time to

remind everyone and make sure that sign is in the bassinet. <br>

<br>

The vitamin K thing is really gaining in controversy. There should be some

great info in archives. It really depends on if it is a boy or girl and what

your views on circumcision are. Babies don't start making this vitamin until

about the 7th or 8th day of life and then they are good. If it is a girl then

vitamin K really isn't a big issue. God knew what he was doing, my belief

anyway. For boys though a vitamin k issue could lead to excessive bleeding with

a circumcision should you choose to have that done. That is why in the Bible it

says to do this after day 7 (more or less). If you wish to skip the vitamin K

shot you can always give it orally. Just depends on what your plans are. I did

this with all three of my kids because I hadn't known about the risks then. Had

I known I would have skipped it for sure. <br>

<br>

I think your decision not to vaccinate is great. We did that with our second

and third children and haven't regretted it at all. <br>

<br>

Wish you well!!<br>

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Hi. I don't have lots of answers about the vaccinations except

that, presuming you're not positive for Hep B, this is what I'd say

if they try to push the Hep B vaccine on you: " I'm not Hep B

positive and I don't expect my baby to be having sex anytime soon,

so there really isn't a need for it. " You can follow that comment

with a laugh to dispell the tension if needed, but if they're super

pushy about it, then don't be afraid to be super pushy back. It's

YOUR baby that you'll have to raise with any consequences that might

arise if (God forbid) your baby reacted poorly to a vaccine (in the

short or long term).

I do have a strong opinion on one thing, though. I think Pitocin (a

common drug used to induce labor) is bad stuff. I thought that long

before we knew anything was amiss with my first son just based on

the way it affected me in the hospital. Now in retrospect I wish I

had held out for my body to go into labor naturally because I think

Pitocin is yet another factor causing abnormal brain activity in our

kids. There are others who believe this, as well, and I've seen

some convincing stats that confirm this.

Ultimately, you're paying the hospital staff for a service they're

providing to you. If you keep that perspective in mind, it might

help you to feel more in control and make you better able to convey

your role as a customer (who is always right!) to the staff. Heck,

if you get really desperate, just throw the word " lawsuit " somewhere

into a sentence along with the words " unapproved vaccines " and

you'll stand a really good chance of getting what you want.

I wish the best for you and your family with this new baby. I know

you can be strong and protect your child.

Kathy in Florida

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I am almost 3

> months pregnant with my 3rd child. I have 2 boys (5 and almost 3)

> both with autism. I didn't know that my oldest had autism until I

> had already vaccinated my youngest boy (he didn't receive the

MMR).

> Neither of them are getting any more shots from now on. Needless

to

> say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all. But, I am

> paranoid about the hospital stay. I keep having nightmares that I

> walk in on someone giving one of my children a vaccine and then

when

> I fly off the hook, they say " oh sorry, I didn't know that you

didn't

> want to vaccinate. " I wake up scared to death that this is really

> going to happen. I am paranoid that someone will try to take the

> baby away if I try to get some sleep. One of my biggest worries

is

> that we don't have ANY family within 2,000 miles of us and my

husband

> is going to have to be at home with the boys. What are some

things

> that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen?

The

> only thing that I can think of is to have someone I totally trust

> with the baby every second of everyday that I spend in the

hospital.

> Would it be too much to ask of my friends if I ask them to come by

> for a few hours so I can get some sleep? I really hate to

> inconvience people, but this is a HUGE deal to me.

>

> Also, I would love to know how people feel about the vitamin K

shot

> and the antibiotics that are given right after birth. I plan on

> breastfeeding and I am not informed at all on the risks or

benefits

> of the vitamin K shot. All that I know is that breastfed babies

seem

> to be at more risk for brain bleeds that formula fed babies. I

will

> do my research on this but would love to know what you think. As

for

> the antibiotics for the eyes, I have no clue what to do. I'm

> concerned with that b/c I tested positive for GBS with my first

> pregnancy so they automatically assume that I am positive for

every

> pregnancy after. I don't know if GBS affects a baby's eyes.

Should

> I have them test me again? Do you think that I should let them

give

> the IV antibiotics while I'm in labor? I want to be as proactive

> with this baby as possible and I'm going crazy in the process!!!

I

> try not to worry all of the time but these are huge concerns for

me.

>

> Thanks so much for your time, hope to hear from you soon!

> Steph

>

[Guest guest]

>>Needless to

> say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all.

Good for you!

>>What are some things

> that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen?

Having the baby at home would work.

The

> only thing that I can think of is to have someone I totally trust

> with the baby every second of everyday that I spend in the hospital.

Yep, that would also work.

> Would it be too much to ask of my friends if I ask them to come by

> for a few hours so I can get some sleep? I really hate to

> inconvience people, but this is a HUGE deal to me.

Or, ask them to watch your boys and have your husband come to the

hospital.

> Also, I would love to know how people feel about the vitamin K shot

> and the antibiotics that are given right after birth.

I would waive the vitamin K shot

http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2003/03Feb_PI/AquaMEPHYTON_PI.pdf

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/VitaminK.html

http://www.babyreference.com/VitaminKinjectORnot.htm

>>I don't know if GBS affects a baby's eyes. Should

> I have them test me again?

Have them test you again. Then research what are the potential

effects for the baby. Then you can make an informed decision.

Dana

[Guest guest]

At 02:46 PM 8/7/2006, you wrote:

>One of my biggest worries is

>that we don't have ANY family within 2,000 miles of us and my husband

>is going to have to be at home with the boys.

Another option is a doula, if you can afford one. Some stay only for

the birth but others will help postpartum and advocate for the baby as well.

Stroyan

www.empathic-discipline.com

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[Guest guest]

> >One of my biggest worries is

> >that we don't have ANY family within 2,000 miles of us and my

husband

> >is going to have to be at home with the boys.

>

> Another option is a doula, if you can afford one. Some stay only

for

> the birth but others will help postpartum and advocate for the baby

as well.

>

>

> Stroyan

> www.empathic-discipline.com

> Click here to email me directly:

> <mailto:lstroyan@...>lstroyan@...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dana,

Thanks for the help. I already looked at the last 2 websites that

you listed (after my first post). That along with many other

peoples' advice I have decided to waive the vitamin K shot. It makes

me happy b/c I am confident in my decision about that now. There are

so many nasty preservatives in it and if the vitamin k levels become

a problem (which I read isn't usually the case) I can supplement

myself and that will be passed to the baby. I would like to do that

instead of the baby getting a shot.

I'm going to talk to my OB about the other decisions that I have to

make. He is very supportive of my decisions b/c he knows both of my

boys and he knows how paranoid I am about this. He's a great and

understanding dr. Two years ago he left his own family vacation

early and drove 2 hours to do emergency surgery on me. He stayed at

the hospital with me until 1 a.m. to make sure I was ok, then had to

wake up a few hours later to deliver his own baby!!! He's a great

person and I really do trust him to help me make the right

decisions. We'll see though, I have an appt on Aug 21. I'll keep

you posted.

Thanks again,

Steph

> >>Needless to

> > say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all.

>

>

> Good for you!

>

>

> >>What are some things

> > that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen?

>

>

> Having the baby at home would work.

>

>

> The

> > only thing that I can think of is to have someone I totally trust

> > with the baby every second of everyday that I spend in the

hospital.

>

>

> Yep, that would also work.

>

>

> > Would it be too much to ask of my friends if I ask them to come

by

> > for a few hours so I can get some sleep? I really hate to

> > inconvience people, but this is a HUGE deal to me.

>

>

> Or, ask them to watch your boys and have your husband come to the

> hospital.

>

>

> > Also, I would love to know how people feel about the vitamin K

shot

> > and the antibiotics that are given right after birth.

>

>

> I would waive the vitamin K shot

>

> http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2003/03Feb_PI/AquaMEPHYTON_PI.pdf

>

> http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/VitaminK.html

>

> http://www.babyreference.com/VitaminKinjectORnot.htm

>

>

> >>I don't know if GBS affects a baby's eyes. Should

> > I have them test me again?

>

>

> Have them test you again. Then research what are the potential

> effects for the baby. Then you can make an informed decision.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

At 10:13 AM 8/8/2006, you wrote:

>I'm going to talk to my OB about the other decisions that I have to

>make.

One more suggestion - have a birth and baby care plan that your

doctor SIGNS. Have several copies - one goes in you file when you

register at the hospital, one gets handed to the nurse on-shift,

another goes to the people that deal with the baby when born.

This saved me an internal monitor for my son. I had it in my birth

plan that it was only to be used if absolutely necessary. At one

point, my heartbeat and his were in sych so they wanted to put in the

monitor (I guess to make sure his didn't just " disappear " ?) but the

nurse said, I know you don't want one, how about an ultrasound

machine instead? No problem - they wheeled one in and 1 minute later

they could see his heartbeat on the U/S.

Stroyan

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I'm unfamiliar with what state you reside in (we're in GA). I recently had our

second child as well, ok she's 15 mths old tomorrow!!! Anyway, she didn't

receive any vaccs in the hospital, I refused them all but the Vitamin K - I had

to inject Levonox 2x daily throughout pregnancy. It wasn't an issue for us, we

signed a refusal form for the vaccs and the pediatrician and I had talked

extensively regarding the subject prior to her arrival. She has not had any

vaccs to date, and when we go for our well checks I still sign the refusal form

without issue from anyone.

After we came home from the hospital I read that the Vitamin K shot was probably

not a good idea, however, when you take blood thinner for 8 months I didn't feel

comfortable not giving it to her. She's as NT as she can be, although her

language is delayed. We are watching this closely, but feel that due to her

older sister's lack of language, it could just take her a while longer to

develop this. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? T will be 7 in December and

she still has about a 2 - 2 1/2 yr level. EVERYTHING else is on track and she

babbles and has lots of different ways of communicating, a few " words " , mama,

dada, nana, her sisters name and hush frank come out very strange sounding. I

know what she's saying because of her actions and facial expressions. I was just

curious, as this stays in the back of my mind!!! Go figure......

Karyn

>>Needless to

> say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all.

Good for you!

>>What are some things

> that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen?

Having the baby at home would work.

The

> only thing that I can think of is to have someone I totally trust

> with the baby every second of everyday that I spend in the hospital.

Yep, that would also work.

> Would it be too much to ask of my friends if I ask them to come by

> for a few hours so I can get some sleep? I really hate to

> inconvience people, but this is a HUGE deal to me.

Or, ask them to watch your boys and have your husband come to the

hospital.

> Also, I would love to know how people feel about the vitamin K shot

> and the antibiotics that are given right after birth.

I would waive the vitamin K shot

http://www.fda.gov/medwatch/SAFETY/2003/03Feb_PI/AquaMEPHYTON_PI.pdf

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/VitaminK.html

http://www.babyreference.com/VitaminKinjectORnot.htm

>>I don't know if GBS affects a baby's eyes. Should

> I have them test me again?

Have them test you again. Then research what are the potential

effects for the baby. Then you can make an informed decision.

Dana

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Karyn,

How's her receptive language? Does she appear to understand what others say to

her?

S S

<p>I'm unfamiliar with what state you reside in (we're in GA). I

recently had our second child as well, ok she's 15 mths old tomorrow!!! Anyway,

she didn't receive any vaccs in the hospital, I refused them all but the Vitamin

K - I had to inject Levonox 2x daily throughout pregnancy. It wasn't an issue

for us, we signed a refusal form for the vaccs and the pediatrician and I had

talked extensively regarding the subject prior to her arrival. She has not had

any vaccs to date, and when we go for our well checks I still sign the refusal

form without issue from anyone. <br>

After we came home from the hospital I read that the Vitamin K shot was probably

not a good idea, however, when you take blood thinner for 8 months I didn't feel

comfortable not giving it to her. She's as NT as she can be, although her

language is delayed. We are watching this closely, but feel that due to her

older sister's lack of language, it could just take her a while longer to

develop this. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? T will be 7 in December and

she still has about a 2 - 2 1/2 yr level. EVERYTHING else is on track and she

babbles and has lots of different ways of communicating, a few " words " , mama,

dada, nana, her sisters name and hush frank come out very strange sounding. I

know what she's saying because of her actions and facial expressions. I was just

curious, as this stays in the back of my mind!!! Go figure......<br>

<br>

Karyn<br>

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Have you had her tested and put into a speech program with the school

district? My brother didn't talk for a while (youngest of 3), but he

did talk at 4, not 7, and had speech issues that took him through speech

until he was in 5th grade.

I know others have tried the Pro-EFA (CLO with a couple other oils) for

apraxia (maybe this??) and have seen great results in speech in a couple

of weeks. It certainly wouldn't hurt her and you would know relatively

quickly if it did help. I have a friend who is using with her daughter

who basically " had her own language " and started being able to talk.

When she ran out and didn't give it to her for a couple of days,

language was lost.

Re: [ ] Re: OT: Advice needed for newborn and

vaccinations

Karyn,

How's her receptive language? Does she appear to understand what others

say to her?

S S

<p>I'm unfamiliar with what state you reside in (we're in GA). I

recently had our second child as well, ok she's 15 mths old tomorrow!!!

Anyway, she didn't receive any vaccs in the hospital, I refused them all

but the Vitamin K - I had to inject Levonox 2x daily throughout

pregnancy. It wasn't an issue for us, we signed a refusal form for the

vaccs and the pediatrician and I had talked extensively regarding the

subject prior to her arrival. She has not had any vaccs to date, and

when we go for our well checks I still sign the refusal form without

issue from anyone. <br>

After we came home from the hospital I read that the Vitamin K shot was

probably not a good idea, however, when you take blood thinner for 8

months I didn't feel comfortable not giving it to her. She's as NT as

she can be, although her language is delayed. We are watching this

closely, but feel that due to her older sister's lack of language, it

could just take her a while longer to develop this. Does anyone have any

thoughts on this? T will be 7 in December and she still has about a 2 -

2 1/2 yr level. EVERYTHING else is on track and she babbles and has lots

of different ways of communicating, a few " words " , mama, dada, nana, her

sisters name and hush frank come out very strange sounding. I know what

she's saying because of her actions and facial expressions. I was just

curious, as this stays in the back of my mind!!! Go figure......<br>

<br>

Karyn<br>

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Yes, she doesn't show classic Autism signs as far as language.

Karyn

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vaccinations

Karyn,

How's her receptive language? Does she appear to understand what others say to

her?

S S

<p>I'm unfamiliar with what state you reside in (we're in GA). I recently had

our second child as well, ok she's 15 mths old tomorrow!!! Anyway, she didn't

receive any vaccs in the hospital, I refused them all but the Vitamin K - I had

to inject Levonox 2x daily throughout pregnancy. It wasn't an issue for us, we

signed a refusal form for the vaccs and the pediatrician and I had talked

extensively regarding the subject prior to her arrival. She has not had any

vaccs to date, and when we go for our well checks I still sign the refusal form

without issue from anyone. <br>

After we came home from the hospital I read that the Vitamin K shot was

probably not a good idea, however, when you take blood thinner for 8 months I

didn't feel comfortable not giving it to her. She's as NT as she can be,

although her language is delayed. We are watching this closely, but feel that

due to her older sister's lack of language, it could just take her a while

longer to develop this. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? T will be 7 in

December and she still has about a 2 - 2 1/2 yr level. EVERYTHING else is on

track and she babbles and has lots of different ways of communicating, a few

" words " , mama, dada, nana, her sisters name and hush frank come out very strange

sounding. I know what she's saying because of her actions and facial

expressions. I was just curious, as this stays in the back of my mind!!! Go

figure......<br>

<br>

Karyn<br>

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> Dana,

> Thanks for the help. I already looked at the last 2 websites that

> you listed (after my first post). That along with many other

> peoples' advice I have decided to waive the vitamin K shot. It makes

> me happy b/c I am confident in my decision about that now.

Being confident in your decision is a good thing.

> I'm going to talk to my OB about the other decisions that I have to

> make. He is very supportive of my decisions b/c he knows both of my

> boys and he knows how paranoid I am about this. He's a great and

> understanding dr.

A good doctor is a very good thing. Glad you found a good one.

Good luck.

Dana

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>>She's as NT as she can be, although her language is delayed.

Try giving CLO or B vitamins, those most commonly help with language.

>> We are watching this closely, but feel that due to her older

sister's lack of language, it could just take her a while longer to

develop this.

This might be somewhat true. My #4 imitates #2 and #3 a lot, and we

keep telling her that we went THEM to imitate HER and not the other

way around. This is getting better as she is getting older.

>>T will be 7 in December and she still has about a 2 - 2 1/2 yr level.

This much of a delay, to me, would indicate a biomedical issue going

on. My #4 is age 7 and she is language appropriate for a 7yo, altho

she does imitate two of her brothers who are older but have less

language. When she imitates her oldest brother [#1, without language

issues], she is age-appropriate.

And my #4 had biomedical issues to address. She still has virus

issues which I am addressing now, and that seems to be helping her

imitation of her brothers.

Dana

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Hi. You wrote:

> Also, I would love to know how people feel about the vitamin K

shot

> and the antibiotics that are given right after birth. I plan on

> breastfeeding and I am not informed at all on the risks or

benefits

> of the vitamin K shot.

I was in a local HFS yesterday and picked up a copy of the

magazine " Alternative Medicine. " It has a really great section on

babies that includes info on the Vit K shot. When I saw that, I

thought of your post. I read the article last night and it was very

good (written by Randall Newstaedter, OMD, LAc). In short, the

doctor says that he highly recommends vitamin K for newborns, but

that he has reservations about it being given as an injectable (he

notes studies showing higher incidences of leukemia and other

cancers associated with the injectable K). He said that there is no

such association with Vit K when given orally, and he suggests

giving a 2-mg dose of Vit K three times orally: once at birth, once

again at one week, and a third and final time at four weeks. To

obtain the Vit K, he suggests calling a midwife or birthing supply

company (he mentions birthwithlove.com) or referring your healthcare

provider to Scientific Botanicals (206-527-5521) so he/she can order

the liquid Vit K directly. He does note that you shouldn't use the

injectable K orally because it contains preservatives that can be

irritating/allergenic to babies.

I hope this information is helpful. Good luck to you!

Kathy in Florida

[Guest guest]

I had my third child in a birthing centre with midwives and it was a

wonderful experience. IMO, a hospital is no place for a newborn

child (unless, of course, there are complications--but that is very

rare). Midwives, for the most part, tend to be pretty sympathetic

to our way of thinking here and they know far, far better what

they're doing in terms of actually delivering a baby.

Worth checking into for many reasons.

Anita

>

>

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I am almost

3

> > months pregnant with my 3rd child. I have 2 boys (5 and almost

3)

> > both with autism. I didn't know that my oldest had autism until

I

> > had already vaccinated my youngest boy (he didn't receive the

> MMR).

> > Neither of them are getting any more shots from now on.

Needless

> to

> > say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all. But, I am

> > paranoid about the hospital stay. I keep having nightmares that

I

> > walk in on someone giving one of my children a vaccine and then

> when

> > I fly off the hook, they say " oh sorry, I didn't know that you

> didn't

> > want to vaccinate. " I wake up scared to death that this is

really

> > going to happen. I am paranoid that someone will try to take

the

> > baby away if I try to get some sleep. One of my biggest worries

> is

> > that we don't have ANY family within 2,000 miles of us and my

> husband

> > is going to have to be at home with the boys. What are some

> things

> > that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen?

>

> How about a homebirth? If I could have anymore kids I'd

definately

> have a homebirth.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You need to send a directive to the doctor that will be his pediatrician and to

the hospital administration stating that they do not have your consent to

vaccinate your son. You should send it by fax or return receipt requested.

Save a copy that you sent for your own files. Follow up and make sure that the

administrator has put this on your chart.

Anita Kugelstadt <mysuperteach@...> wrote: I had my third child

in a birthing centre with midwives and it was a

wonderful experience. IMO, a hospital is no place for a newborn

child (unless, of course, there are complications--but that is very

rare). Midwives, for the most part, tend to be pretty sympathetic

to our way of thinking here and they know far, far better what

they're doing in terms of actually delivering a baby.

Worth checking into for many reasons.

Anita

>

>

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I am almost

3

> > months pregnant with my 3rd child. I have 2 boys (5 and almost

3)

> > both with autism. I didn't know that my oldest had autism until

I

> > had already vaccinated my youngest boy (he didn't receive the

> MMR).

> > Neither of them are getting any more shots from now on.

Needless

> to

> > say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all. But, I am

> > paranoid about the hospital stay. I keep having nightmares that

I

> > walk in on someone giving one of my children a vaccine and then

> when

> > I fly off the hook, they say " oh sorry, I didn't know that you

> didn't

> > want to vaccinate. " I wake up scared to death that this is

really

> > going to happen. I am paranoid that someone will try to take

the

> > baby away if I try to get some sleep. One of my biggest worries

> is

> > that we don't have ANY family within 2,000 miles of us and my

> husband

> > is going to have to be at home with the boys. What are some

> things

> > that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen?

>

> How about a homebirth? If I could have anymore kids I'd

definately

> have a homebirth.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

All I can add is once you step in hospital for labor/delivery some

decisions will be removed from you such as whether or not you get

antibiotics. If I had to have another baby, I would go midwive all

the way, or use an advanced directive stating what is and what is

not to be done to your baby. Your doctor should know all this ahead

of time and agree with it. You are right to worry though. I would

insist that my baby be kept in my room at all times. I would get a

friend to come in so I could take a bath, or take a nap as you

suggested. You are only there for two days and explaining to a few

close friends your plight it worth it. This way your baby is in your

room and not alone in the nursery. But it must be in writing that no

vaccination etc is to be done, and that the baby stays with you no

matter what. As for Vitamin K, my understanding is that is causes

leukemia in 1 in 500 babies. It is only needed for babies with a

certain disorder which is very rare at a rate of 1 in 10,000. I have

not read good things on vitamin K, as it is synthetic anyway, and

the shot has other chemicals that are toxic to babies. Breastfed

newborns will colonize the right bacteria in their colon to make

enough vitamin K that is natural.

As for the eye drops, the original purpose of those was if a mother

had gonorrhea and had a vaginal birth, her baby could get the

infection in the eyes and it caused blindness. The best way to avoid

the drops is to test yourself. If you do not have any VD's your

baby really doesn't need those drops. If you did have it, you can

deliver via C section and avoid the drops. By GBS you are referring

to Gullein Barre? I don't think that is a risk for the babies eyes.

The best advice is get a midwife. She will make sure your wishes are

followed.

http://www.vaccination.inoz.com/VitaminK.html

this site explains a lot of vitamin K shot, which is actually a more

likely cause of hemorrage, not breastfeeding.

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I have a few questions that I hope you can answer. I am almost 3

> months pregnant with my 3rd child. I have 2 boys (5 and almost 3)

> both with autism. I didn't know that my oldest had autism until I

> had already vaccinated my youngest boy (he didn't receive the

MMR).

> Neither of them are getting any more shots from now on. Needless

to

> say, I am NOT going to vaccinate this baby at all. But, I am

> paranoid about the hospital stay. I keep having nightmares that I

> walk in on someone giving one of my children a vaccine and then

when

> I fly off the hook, they say " oh sorry, I didn't know that you

didn't

> want to vaccinate. " I wake up scared to death that this is really

> going to happen. I am paranoid that someone will try to take the

> baby away if I try to get some sleep. One of my biggest worries

is

> that we don't have ANY family within 2,000 miles of us and my

husband

> is going to have to be at home with the boys. What are some

things

> that I can do to be positively sure that this will not happen?

The

> only thing that I can think of is to have someone I totally trust

> with the baby every second of everyday that I spend in the

hospital.

> Would it be too much to ask of my friends if I ask them to come by

> for a few hours so I can get some sleep? I really hate to

> inconvience people, but this is a HUGE deal to me.

>

> Also, I would love to know how people feel about the vitamin K

shot

> and the antibiotics that are given right after birth. I plan on

> breastfeeding and I am not informed at all on the risks or

benefits

> of the vitamin K shot. All that I know is that breastfed babies

seem

> to be at more risk for brain bleeds that formula fed babies. I

will

> do my research on this but would love to know what you think. As

for

> the antibiotics for the eyes, I have no clue what to do. I'm

> concerned with that b/c I tested positive for GBS with my first

> pregnancy so they automatically assume that I am positive for

every

> pregnancy after. I don't know if GBS affects a baby's eyes.

Should

> I have them test me again? Do you think that I should let them

give

> the IV antibiotics while I'm in labor? I want to be as proactive

> with this baby as possible and I'm going crazy in the process!!!

I

> try not to worry all of the time but these are huge concerns for

me.

>

> Thanks so much for your time, hope to hear from you soon!

> Steph

>

[Guest guest]

,

I hope this website can help you:

http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

This website links to all 50 states. I don't know where you live but I live

in MA and in MA there are links to documents such as " Refusal to Permit

Medical Treatment " and " Hospital Birth Plans " for those who want to avoid

birth procedures such as HepB, vitamin K shot, newborn screening, hearing

tests etc. This, of course, is based upon exemptions allowed under MA law

so you'll have to check your state to see what you can find. There are also

forms for well-baby visits, daycare, preschool, elementary, middle school

etc.

Recently, I think some other moms advised writing " No Vaccines - Religious

Exemption " on all medical paperwork and someone suggested to me to tape such

a thing to the baby's bassinet in the hospital (I did do this). I did not

sign any form giving permission for the HepB. I told my husband (God Bless

men because they can be clueless at times) to stay with our son at all

times, especially when they take him to the bassinet after birth. I told

him that I would bet him money that the nurse wouldn't have time to check my

medical records and would just assume I wanted the HepB. Guess what? So as

I lay there on the bed while the doctor is tending to me right after my son

was born, I heard the nurse say to my husband who was standing right next to

her, " Oh, you don't want the HepB? " That's when I piped up (and you can

imagine the condition I was in and what I looked like) and said that no, we

didn't want it and I did not sign the consent form. " Oh, you didn't sign

the form, no problem, " she said. During my 2 days in the hospital when the

nurses had to take my son, I would ask them what they would be doing and

remind them no HepB.

I hope this helps you.

[Guest guest]

,

After a traumatic birthing experience with our second child[now 33

years old], I drew up a contract that outlined all my 'demands'

including anesthesia, resuscitation, vit K, monitors, baby within

eyesight[no nursery time!] etc; everything I could think of. I had a

great doc for the next 3 children and probably would not have needed

it but I used it anyway. The doc signed it, I signed it, and I had

copies available for anyone who came near me or the baby. I was NOT

in a 'user friendly' frame of mind. My spouse was overwhelmed by the

environment so was no help. Only my threat to deliver at home caused

him to be semi involved in the whole process. The nurses were

incensed but I had some peace of mind. I also included a minimum

hospital stay clause [6-8 hours] a common occurence now but it

ruffled a few feathers then. One of our daughters has had a good

experience with midwives for her 2 children. Even then, I would urge

you to put it in writing, on your chart, discuss it with all the

probable delivery people, etc. Labor is no time to be negotiating!

>

> ,

> I hope this website can help you:

>

> http://www.vaclib.org/exemption.htm

>

> This website links to all 50 states. I don't know where you live

but I live

> in MA and in MA there are links to documents such as " Refusal to

Permit

> Medical Treatment " and " Hospital Birth Plans " for those who want to

avoid

> birth procedures such as HepB, vitamin K shot, newborn screening,

hearing

> tests etc. This, of course, is based upon exemptions allowed under

MA law

> so you'll have to check your state to see what you can find. There

are also

> forms for well-baby visits, daycare, preschool, elementary, middle

school

> etc.

>

> Recently, I think some other moms advised writing " No Vaccines -

Religious

> Exemption " on all medical paperwork and someone suggested to me to

tape such

> a thing to the baby's bassinet in the hospital (I did do this). I

did not

> sign any form giving permission for the HepB. I told my husband

(God Bless

> men because they can be clueless at times) to stay with our son at

all

> times, especially when they take him to the bassinet after birth.

I told

> him that I would bet him money that the nurse wouldn't have time to

check my

> medical records and would just assume I wanted the HepB. Guess

what? So as

> I lay there on the bed while the doctor is tending to me right

after my son

> was born, I heard the nurse say to my husband who was standing

right next to

> her, " Oh, you don't want the HepB? " That's when I piped up (and

you can

> imagine the condition I was in and what I looked like) and said

that no, we

> didn't want it and I did not sign the consent form. " Oh, you

didn't sign

> the form, no problem, " she said. During my 2 days in the hospital

when the

> nurses had to take my son, I would ask them what they would be

doing and

> remind them no HepB.

>

> I hope this helps you.

>

>

>