Mercury/Immunizations

June 22, 2006

Racing cars still use leaded gas I was told.

Jan <paxlforme@...> wrote:

I have read that Car exhaust contains antimony. I have not heard of

mercury though. You would have to look into the by products of

gasoline combustion. ut gasoline fumes themselves cause cancer, so

the by products probably are just as bad. I know that if you have an

antique auto say 1940's with the original engine, you have to add a

leaded additive for it to run right. More than likely most sources

of lead, and mercury are comming out of industry. They are mass

pollutors. And I am only stating what I learned based on my research

of environmental pollutio. I feel that mercury directly introduced

into the body via needle or fillings is far more poisonous in a far

higher concentration that whatever is in car exhaust. But I do agree

that car exhaust is not healthy. I can tell you that diesel

exhaust/fumes is known to cause cancer. In our area they have a

regulation that school buses are not allowed to idle their engines

longer than 5 minutes while at the school due to this hazard.

It is really hard to exists in such an unhealthy enviornment and

many people do not realize how bad it really is. There are days when

I do not open my window because the factory pollution has wafted

upwind. Sad...

> > >

> > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B

vaccine.

> > >

> > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is

Wrong,

> > Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

> > >

> > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

> > >

> > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

> > >

> > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant

and

> > childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu

shot,

> > which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and

unfortunately

> > two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is

out may be

> > finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-

free

> > vaccines.

> > >

> > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves

it. MMR

> > is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism

researchers

> > it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the

> > problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella,

so the

> > immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a

quadruple whammy

> > here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same

time,

> > even if in another limb.

> > >

> > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's

unlikely

> > that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury

exposures

> > come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For

example

> > dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew

> > mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-

four

> > hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume

methylmercury

> > containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have

received

> > Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some

placebos

> > used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of

thimerosal

> in them.

> > >

> > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born

with

> > autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal

then

> > regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism

researchers do

> > talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in

166

> > autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but

given the

> > fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in

medical

> > history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a

major

> > role in autism.

> > >

> > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting

point

> > when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated

Amish

> > communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of

> > Autism " series of reports.

> > >

> > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

> > >

> > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations

> > >

> > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is

Thermasol

> in the

> > > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is

the

> 15-18

> > > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr

old

> with

> > > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids).

Obviously

> > > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that

ALL

> > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

> > >

> > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no

one

> could

> > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free

still

> come up

> > > Autistic.

> > >

> > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

> > >

July 10, 2006

Our birth son is affected by ASD. We adopted his sister. She had some

immunizations before we took custody of her. However, we have not

vaccinated her since. We have declared a religious exemption for preschool.

I haven't had to deal with the public school system yet. Knowing what I

know now, I doubt she will ever receive a vaccine. It's an individual

decision that only you can make.

Pamela

" Courage is doing what you're afraid to do. There can be no courage unless

you're scared. "

Eddie Rickenbacker, top US fighter ace, WWI

July 10, 2006

> Tell me about your experiances with NOT vacinating subsequent

children. Was it a huge fight? Did your ped. understand?

Now the whole family goes to a complemetary medicine practice, with an

MD, a DO, and a homeopath. They do vaccinate but don;t give any

trouble when people choose not to. Adter some bad ped experiences, I

woudn't go to anyone who wanted to fight with me about it. I wouldn;t

trust them.

> What happened when it came time for school?

I signed a religious waiver.

> Have any of your kids caught things that could have been prevented

No. But they did get their shots up to but not including the K ones.

Nell

July 11, 2006

Race cars use racing fuel which is unleaded but has a higher octane

than what we use in our cars, some other racing cars use alcohol,

such as top fuel dragsters. It depends on the engine and speed

involved. None of them are using leaded gas, it is too ineffecient.

We checked into this as dad drag races, and there was no way we were

taking the kids near any leaded gas. The older engines required

leaded gas, and a lead additive can be added, is you have an engine

from the 50's or older. But most classic cars have been converted to

unleaded. Hope this helps!

> > > >

> > > > You mention vaccinations starting at birth. The Hep B

> vaccine.

> > > >

> > > > I strongly suggest you read the book When Your Doctor is

> Wrong,

> > > Hepatitis B Vaccine and Autism by Judy Converse.

> > > >

> > > > You can search for a good deal, but here is a link to it.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.civilbook.com/index/book/1401029736.html

> > > >

> > > > The vaccine market claims that thimerosal is out of infant

> and

> > > childhood vaccines. There is at least one exception, the flu

> shot,

> > > which still contains the full load of ethylmercury and

> unfortunately

> > > two shots for each new infant. The claim that thimerosal is

> out may be

> > > finally true, but the sage advice is to insist on thimerosal-

> free

> > > vaccines.

> > > >

> > > > The MMR jab receives attention because frankly it deserves

> it. MMR

> > > is a live, attenuated virus vaccine. According to autism

> researchers

> > > it's the combination of measles with the mumps that causes the

> > > problems. Both are strongly immunosuppressive, as is Rubella,

> so the

> > > immune system takes a triple whammy, and of course, a

> quadruple whammy

> > > here in America because Chicken pox is also given at the same

> time,

> > > even if in another limb.

> > > >

> > > > With mandatory vaccination for all American infants it's

> unlikely

> > > that many children are as you suggest shot free. Mercury

> exposures

> > > come from a variety of sources beyond thimerosal exposure. For

> example

> > > dental amalgams leak mercury vapor. Coal fire power plants spew

> > > mercury in many cases by the ton into the air we breath twenty-

> four

> > > hours a day, seven days a week. Many mothers consume

> methylmercury

> > > containing fish such as tunafish while pregnant. Others have

> received

> > > Rhogam injections which contain(ed) thimerosal. Even some

> placebos

> > > used in research projects have a full 25 micrograms of

> thimerosal

> > in them.

> > > >

> > > > In the seventies it was believed that all autistics are born

> with

> > > autism and never regress. In 2002 children were born normal

> then

> > > regressed into autism. So which is correct? Some autism

> researchers do

> > > talk about a 1 in 10,000 autistic child as opposed to a 1 in

> 166

> > > autistic child. I've read the genetics opinionists view, but

> given the

> > > fact that an epidemic of genetics has never been recorded in

> medical

> > > history strongly suggests that environmental trigger(s) play a

> major

> > > role in autism.

> > > >

> > > > UPI reporter Dan Olmsted raised a particularly interesting

> point

> > > when he searched for autism amongst the largely unvaccinated

> Amish

> > > communities scattered throughout America as part of his " Age of

> > > Autism " series of reports.

> > > >

> > > > And of course http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/index2.html

> > > >

> > > > [ ] Mercury/Immunizations

> > > >

> > > > This is something I'm wondering about.... If there is

> Thermasol

> > in the

> > > > shots our newborns get within hours of delivery, then why is

> the

> > 15-18

> > > > month MMR the one that gets all the bad press? I have a 4 yr

> old

> > with

> > > > Autism, and I'm pregnant again (2 older typical kids).

> Obviously

> > > > we're rethinking the whole shot process. It seems to me that

> ALL

> > > > shots should be attacked, not just the later ones.

> > > >

> > > > I've just come from a HUGE aut conference in Chicago, but no

> one

> > could

> > > > give a reason why some babies that are totally shot free

> still

> > come up

> > > > Autistic.

> > > >

> > > > I'd enjoy seeing what other parents thoughts are.

> > > >

July 12, 2006

Sorry, just saw this!!! Been away from my computer for awhile.

Not vaccinating is a decision I made almost 5 years ago now and I still

haven't regretted it. It is sometimes hard, many people don't understand but

when it comes to the health of my children I really can't afford to worry about

what other's think.

My first time telling a doctor I wasn't vaccinating didn't go too well. It

was disasterous actually. It was when my second son was 3 months old. I took

him if for a well baby visit and when she mentioned it was going to be a big day

for him, his first round of shots I told her I wasn't doing it yet. Told her I

wanted to gather more information since I was still getting used to the fact

that my older son was autistic. She got so pissed I swore that her head was

about to start spinning around. She told me I had to which of course meant we

were done in my eyes. I explained I needed to have more facts since I was

ultimately responsible for what happened to my baby. She told me he was her

responsibility. Never went back to her.

When we moved here I called a peds office and they told me they don't see

unvaccinated kids but that if I wanted to vaccinate them they would love to have

my kids as patients. She really sounded shocked when I told her I wasn't

changing such a huge decision for a doctor. I did find one peds doctor here who

takes unvaccinated kids but didn't support me at all. I know there are a couple

but many are taking that stand now. It makes many cave. You just have to be

tough skinned.

There are doctors out there. My friend here just had a baby and she lucked

out and found a doctor who doesn't mind she isn't going with the recommended

schedule. She is only interested in the Prevnar I think??? When she explained

what she had in mind he said that was fine. The Prevnar and Hib are the only

ones he recommends. The differences if what doctors think and how they react

can be very different. I would say to be prepared for the worst and hope for an

enlightened doctor!!!

After all this time and seeing how my younger two kids have turned out I know

I made the right decision. My younger son is a Rhogam and dental work baby so

he was already predisposed to issues and even without vaccines he has a couple.

He has a really good immune system though. He will be 4 in a couple weeks and

he has only had one ear infection, the croup and a couple good viruses. I went

to school when he was a year old. Both boys stayed with a friend who had three

kids in public school. There were several times her kids would be home sick and

around my boys for the better part of the day. Never did my kids get sick in

the year they were with them. They would get a runny nose for a day or two but

that was it. At this age my older son was sick all the time. It took a lot to

get his immune system working like this, my younger son just had a good immune

system. My daughter is the same way. She will be 2 the beginning of September

and has never been to the

doctor for being sick. The climate change has been hard on our immune systems

but that kid never seems to get anything even if both boys do. She has had the

croup and I think two viruses. That is quite an immune system and I think it is

because it is completely intact. I didn't do Rhogam with her and she hasn't had

any vaccines so her toxin exposure was really only what she got from me.

I think kids can have a great immune system if we just do what we should.

Boost their immunity by limiting their toxin exposure and making sure they eat a

really healthy diet. We do this as best we can and then add supplements as

needed. If my kids were to get something like measles I believe they would do

just fine because they have a healthy immune system. They would need lots of

supplements to help them but they would get over it.

I hope that helps?!?! Please feel free to ask anything about my kids and

vaccinations.

mbrookh <mbrookh@...> wrote:

Libby,

When my daughter took her 3 mos old in for his first baby check 4+

years ago, the nurse asked about immunizations. My daughter told her

she wouldn't be doing any. This child's older brother was lead and

mercury toxic. You know what response she got from the nurse??

" Thank heavens!' My daughter was sooo relieved!

>

> , or anyone else this applies to

>

> Tell me about your experiances with NOT vacinating subsequent

children. Was it a huge fight? Did your ped. understand? What

happened when it came time for school? Have any of your kids caught

things that could have been prevented, and if so, was it still worth

not getting the shot.

>

> What about premies? Has anyone NOT allowed shots on their

preterm babies?

>

> Thanks for your imput & support. I love this board!

> Libby

>

> ---------------------------------

> Do you ?

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Beta.

>

July 13, 2006

My kids were vaccinated up until recently. At the last visit for my

10 year old they wanted to do a tetanus booster. I let them know

that I was filling a religous exemption today for both of my

children. That we would not be doing any further vaccination. Then I

handed her the notarized papers with a copy of my state law.

I know I caught her off guard, I saw her eyes bug out. She thanked

me for vaccinating up to what we did (yes, Thanked) and that was

all. They cannot legally question you on it if you provide proper

papers according to your state law.

I really didn't care what she thought anyway. They are my kids. I am

the one who deals with the tons of supplements my son needs to

function, and the fact that he won't poop in the toilet or act

appropriately in public. They don't. There are doctors out there who

are not bought and paid for. Find a holistic pediatrician of family

wellness clinic. You can find resources through your neighborhood

natural food store or by joining a holistic mom's group.

School is the same thing. If you file the proper papers according to

the state law, they cannot question you or deny you. You only get

problems if you don't follow protocol.

I can tell you if I had a preemie..NO WAY! Their immune systems are

really underdeveloped. As are that of infants. Thus the reason they

are supposed to recieve immunities through mother's milk. I would

just breast feed a preemie. And not drag it all over the place when

I got it home. People seem to have forgotten to stay home with a

brand new baby, as did our grandmothers. And limit the number of

visitors for a few weeks. I think our immune systems when untampered

are designed to handle nature.

> >

> > , or anyone else this applies to

> >

> > Tell me about your experiances with NOT vacinating subsequent

> children. Was it a huge fight? Did your ped. understand? What

> happened when it came time for school? Have any of your kids

caught

> things that could have been prevented, and if so, was it still

worth

> not getting the shot.

> >

> > What about premies? Has anyone NOT allowed shots on their

> preterm babies?

> >

> > Thanks for your imput & support. I love this board!

> > Libby

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Do you ?

> > Everyone is raving about the all-new Beta.

> >

July 14, 2006

Make sure you keep copies of the papers for yourself!

S S